The cats are being pantsed big time....

The demons said that Freo were the best team they played this year. I thought that was just a way of saying we had improved but maybe Freo could be the dark horse of the final series.

R Lyon is a very shrewd operator.

He could have been a 2 time Premiership coach.

He was denied this merely because of the shape of the Sherrin.

A bloke at work joked that if one kick had gone differently Ross lyon might be a premiership coach and Malthouse might be at Freo LOL.

Ross seems like a really grumpy dude. But the proof is in the pudding. He has Freo up and about and looking dangerous in Victoria.

Just think, Mitch could have been playing tonight if things gone to script last trade week.

Ummm Garry did try to speak to Lyon and his manager told him he wasn't going anywhere (from the saints). A few days later Lyon was at Freo - the deal was being done quietly. Not Gaz's fault.

At St Kilda and now Freo Ross Lyon has inherited the recruiting and player development of other coaches: Grant Thomas and Mark Harvey. He would not have had this luxury at the Dees. He would have to show recruiting nous which he has failed to do at any time in his career.

Ummm Garry did try to speak to Lyon and his manager told him he wasn't going anywhere (from the saints). A few days later Lyon was at Freo - the deal was being done quietly. Not Gaz's fault.

Plus maybe Lyon saw Melbourne being to much work where Freo have been building for a while and only needed the right structure.

Aint over yet...

btw, Zac Dawson is still a spud.....played for 3 good teams and still looks lost.

Honestly , how many times we going to roll this barrel out. it didnt happen. It was never going to happen , it couldnt have happen... and you knwo what IT DIDNT HAPPEN.

Good luck to Freo, they're not us.

Lets move on

At St Kilda and now Freo Ross Lyon has inherited the recruiting and player development of other coaches: Grant Thomas and Mark Harvey. He would not have had this luxury at the Dees. He would have to show recruiting nous which he has failed to do at any time in his career.

Very good point, he hasn't developed a list before so it would've been new territory for him.

It could have happened. G Lyon should have pushed harder. Sod protocol.

I am not bagging Neeld. But look at what the Shockers are doing.

R Lyon totally understands the modern game.

Ummm Garry did try to speak to Lyon and his manager told him he wasn't going anywhere (from the saints). A few days later Lyon was at Freo - the deal was being done quietly. Not Gaz's fault.

Yes it is. He wasn't a competent person to make the coaching decision. Paul Roos said on OTC "melbourne should call Ross". But our Garry knew better. Too clever to listen to Ross Lyon's best mate giving a none too subtle hint. Garry Lyon is to blame and is a total incompetent in administration matters.

For those that don't understand what the coach and players are talking about when they say everyone needs to "buy in", have a look at the dockers tonight. Every player is doing exactly what Ross Lyon wants. They know their structures backwards, and all play like their lives depend on every contest.

This is exactly what has been missing from Melbourne, and is the reason we will see so many players go this year. The ones that are prepared to buy in to what Neeld wants will be the ones that stay. Freo have a lot more talent than us, so were able to turn it around a lot quicker, but with total buy in from the players, we can move up the ladder quicker than people expect.

too soon...

A bloke at work joked that if one kick had gone differently Ross lyon might be a premiership coach and Malthouse might be at Freo LOL.

Ross seems like a really grumpy dude. But the proof is in the pudding. He has Freo up and about and looking dangerous in Victoria.

Mark Harvey was robbed last year due to the side being decimated by injury. They were on the up anyway.

Lyon has landed a plum job where much of the hard yards had been done already.

Mark Harvey was robbed last year due to the side being decimated by injury. They were on the up anyway.

Lyon has landed a plum job where much of the hard yards had been done already.

Delusional thinking.

Lyon has turned the shockers into a SEPTEMBER CLUB.

Delusional thinking.

Lyon has turned the shockers into a SEPTEMBER CLUB.

It is a known fact that Harvey was coaching what was effectively a WAFL side at the end of last year.

Would this situation bode well for any chance of success?

It could have happened. G Lyon should have pushed harder. Sod protocol.

You're so blind to reality it's ridiculous.

What do you want him to do? Kidnap him, tie him up, and waterboard him until he agrees? He didn't want to come here, he was going to go to Fremantle, and there wasn't anything that we could have done.

Get over it. Stop dwelling on things in the past that could have happened differently (or in this case, were never going to happen differently) and think about reality.

Honestly , how many times we going to roll this barrel out. it didnt happen. It was never going to happen , it couldnt have happen... and you knwo what IT DIDNT HAPPEN.

Good luck to Freo, they're not us.

Lets move on

And I don't think it happened, either.

And does why you little think that because RLyon got Freo up,tonight that he would automatically have had us up,too?

Illogical thinking, or maybe wishful!

You're so blind to reality it's ridiculous.

What do you want him to do? Kidnap him, tie him up, and waterboard him until he agrees? He didn't want to come here, he was going to go to Fremantle, and there wasn't anything that we could have done.

Get over it. Stop dwelling on things in the past that could have happened differently (or in this case, were never going to happen differently) and think about reality.

Reality: pick up phone, call Ross Lyon, ask him personally. Find out his deal with Saints not sealed. Make an offer. Be professional and gutsy in your search. Like Freo. That's reality champ. Lyon's effort was pathetic.

But you're right, it is history now.

Reality: pick up phone, call Ross Lyon, ask him personally. Find out his deal with Saints not sealed. Make an offer. Be professional and gutsy in your search. Like Freo. That's reality champ. Lyon's effort was pathetic.

Can you prove he didn't do this?

But assuming he didn't (which is probably fair), you make it sound like it's so easy. That Lyon just calls Ross and Ross is like 'oh yeh, I'm not negotiating with anyone, I'm more than happy to listen to you, here's what I'm doing and when I'm doing it, so I'll listen to your offer'.

From the picture that has been painted, he moved from St Kilda only because of the Fremantle offer. Not because he specifically wanted out of St Kilda.

Reality: pick up phone, call Ross Lyon, ask him personally. Find out his deal with Saints not sealed. Make an offer. Be professional and gutsy in your search. Like Freo. That's reality champ. Lyon's effort was pathetic.

But you're right, it is history now.

pick up phone, call Ross Lyon, ask him personally, Ross lies to Garry Lyon and says he is staying at the Saints, signs with Freo days later.

alternatively, call Ross Lyon, Ross Lyon doesn't answer calls.

Ross and Freo had secretly agreed to the deal. Remember this is the coach who didnt even tell his manager what he was doing. So dont blame Garry. He tried but Ross was the Freo coach already. No one knew about it yet. Seriously move on.

Asking the manager is like asking the 2 i c, if we thought Lyon was worth chasing and I certainly did, and after the year the aints had, the chat on the ground after the GF etc, he was cherry ripe to be poached, you'd reckon a no from the man himself would have been needed before moving on to the next target. This is another in what is proving to be an alarming amount of ordinary organizational decisions or lack there of. Wholesale risk taking behavior has been the MFC way, let's hope the latest appointment will pay dividends, I believe they can but all the same it is very risky stuff.