A logical idea people won't like

[syl 40]

Wow. Terrible thread, terrible idea.

Although Ratten at the MFC would be a coup, UNDER Neeld.

[whelan45 203]

Ratten in Neeld out.

Robert Walls wrote a great article in the Age http://www.theage.co...0829-2514j.html I urge people to read it and before some idiot comes in and claims Robert Walls knows nothing just look at his CV. Bloke seriously knows his football.

What an opening to a post!

[Tony Tea 2,809]

Oh, come on. Walls, the key spokesman for the Sacked Coaches Union, has done nothing more than put 1 and 1 together and come up with his usual version of 2.

Robvious Walls.

[satyricon 267]

Ratten is a good senior coach whereas Neeld isn't. Logical enough?

Can you explain the logic as to why Ratten is a good coach?

I like Demonland because when you open it of a morning, there is always a post that can raise a laugh

Congratulations

[Biffen 12,947]

I've heard dumber ideas-but I just cant think of when.

Oh yes I can- it was when me and my mate wanted to de-rail a train as a kid when we were bored.

[Ouch! 2,267]

This isn't all Neelds fault but he doesn't inspire any confidence. Deplorable in the media and that uninspiring cliche sprinkled pre game talk doesn't feel me with confidence. End of the day it comes down to who is a better senior coach though and you'd have to be one hell of a believer to choose Neeld over Ratten

I actually agree with the context of the article, but sorry the above bit of yours I quoted is just crap, since when has Neeld been deplorable in the media? and who says he doesn't inspire confidence? that sentence is just crap sorry. If you agree with the article that Carlton is taking the easy option and again dumping a coach prematurely, dropping Neeld for Ratten would be less of the easy option, but one of the more stupid things I have heard recently.

Bailey was terrible in the media, I actually like the way Neeld handles the media. Lets rate Neeld in another 4 years before comparing him to Ratten. (and no that doesn't mean I am advocating having him for a longer contract than he has,... but you can't compare the two until then either.)

[hardtack 10,627]

i have taken one good piece of implied advice from this thread... logic should never be attempted after 1am.

[Hatchman 539]

Robert Walls

a.k.a

Got me stuffed why everyone in the media thinks he's such a brilliant mind, never has any insight, just replays what we've already read or witnessed.

Edited August 29, 2012 by Hatchman

[Guest]

Let's not mock mention the word dumb in relation to this OP. When interactive fiction games were in vogue for those of us who were using those newfangled "personal computers," the game based on Douglas Adams's Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defined "intelligence" as the ability to believe two contradictory things at the same.

[daisycutter 29,743]

I've heard dumber ideas-but I just cant think of when.

Oh yes I can- it was when me and my mate wanted to de-rail a train as a kid when we were bored.

and you've been following a train wreck ever since.......irony

[The Reverend 1,736]

Ratten in Neeld out.

Robert Walls wrote a great article in the Age http://www.theage.co...0829-2514j.html I urge people to read it and before some idiot comes in and claims Robert Walls knows nothing just look at his CV. Bloke seriously knows his football. The article got me thinking and I have rated Ratten as a coach and the way he handled himself this year has been fantastic. He actually possesses leadership and is made of the right stuff. Has a win loss record of 53% and the only reason he is being booted is purely Carlton arrogance. Mick Malthouse is a great coach who unfortunately wouldn't even consider Melbourne but wants to coach Carlton, bad luck Ratten. This year has been a disaster of enormous magnitude. If prior to the season I'd said we'd beaten one non expansion side you'd all have had a chuckle. We haven't even gotten close to other sides,. This isn't all Neelds fault but he doesn't inspire any confidence. Deplorable in the media and that uninspiring cliche sprinkled pre game talk doesn't feel me with confidence. End of the day it comes down to who is a better senior coach though and you'd have to be one hell of a believer to choose Neeld over Ratten

NO! Unbelievable. Knee-jerk nonsense. For the first time in a long while we have a plan for success - let's stick with it. There's no sense in changing horses midstream.

[Biffen 12,947]

and you've been following a train wreck ever since.......irony

In those days Northey was driving the train and we were going express to the G in Sept.

Garry Lyon was young ,Andy Lovell was 17 and the back carriages had Danny Hughes ,Yeats ,Johnson , Lovett and Grinter.

Only the Hawks could stop us.

Would history be different if Strawbs knocked out Bucky ,Dermy or Dippa?

[7-UP 107]

Should we use games against gold coast as a comparison between Neeld and Ratten?

[Chook 15,022]

Should we use games against gold coast as a comparison between Neeld and Ratten?

No, because it reflects positively on us. As you should by now be aware, we suck at everything - all the time

[daisycutter 29,743]

In those days Northey was driving the train and we were going express to the G in Sept.

Garry Lyon was young ,Andy Lovell was 17 and the back carriages had Danny Hughes ,Yeats ,Johnson , Lovett and Grinter.

Only the Hawks could stop us.

Would history be different if Strawbs knocked out Bucky ,Dermy or Dippa?

or if we didn't have to train amidst the possum pi55 at junction oval

[Biffen 12,947]

or if we didn't have to train amidst the possum pi55 at junction oval

Awesome being down there with 2000 Demons just to watch training.

The sausages were sizzling away and Robbie was allowed to train in trackies.

Northey made them all train on the wing so we could watch them closely.

Swooper really got the most out of them.

It is written in frayed parchment;

"Thy Demonic curse from the red head can only be lifted by a red head".

[Hero1 74]

Malthouse has declared that he will coach again. He could start at Melbourne in the preseason. Neeld is trying unsuccessfully to follow Malthouse's coaching style and game plan. He just doesn't have the intelligence or ability to do it. We should replace him with the real deal. Get Mick now!

[Sir Why You Little 37,161]

Hahaha. Cue Benny Hill music...

Get Ratts as midfield coach. I like Neeld.

[Guest King Cuthbertson]

you're right, it's an idea people won't like because it defies logic.

Robert Walls has no credibility. Also, Collingwood didn't lose the GF because of his coaching, their players were shot to pieces from the previous game against Hawthorn, and were carrying too many players who were underdone or injured. They were only capable of playing three quarters. I love it how he says 1 flag in 17 years, but neglects to mention that he coached flags in 92 & 94. He took an over-achieving side to two GF's in 2002 & 2003 (almost nabbing the flag in 02' against possibly the greatest side of the AFL era. Maybe he's envious of Malthouse because he was a rubbish coach himself..

I'm sorry but this idea is just ridiculous.

Edited August 30, 2012 by King Cuthbertson

[beelzebub 23,383]

Malthouse has declared that he will coach again. He could start at Melbourne in the preseason. Neeld is trying unsuccessfully to follow Malthouse's coaching style and game plan. He just doesn't have the intelligence or ability to do it. We should replace him with the real deal. Get Mick now!

you know , just for a second i thought you were serious . Love your satire .

[7-UP 107]

you know , just for a second i thought you were serious . Love your satire .

You must be really good in relationships.

[Guest King Cuthbertson]

So the guy who couldn't coach a win against Gold Coast Suns with the likes of Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Simpson, Carazzo, Betts, Waite, Scotland and Walker at his disposal should be our coach next season.

Brilliant.

[Little Goffy 14,645]

Robert Walls knows very little of great use. I've seen his CV. He was big in the 80s, I hear? Then he spent ten years coaching teams that failed, and for the last ten years he's done nothing but state the obvious or engage in trivial, unaccountable sniping and list-making like a twelve year old.

I think Carlton might be making a mistake in sacking Ratten, after all, the Blues have managed to pummel a few top sides this year. But there is a clear problem with players not being accountable and lacking work ethic on field. Happy to be 'special' rather than 'professional', they're the passengers that Ratten mentioned earlier in the week. But at the same time, it is his responsibility to bring them into line.

On that record, I would suggest that Ratten would be a terrible match for our list, another one which suffers from high apparent talent but big gaps in work ethic and accountability.

Ratten's results are about comparable with Daniher's from 2001-2007, except Ratten had a much stronger list and much better facilities and support.

Final thought, Sylvia's Dukes - you say you want Melbourne to be professional, but advocate sacking a new coach with two years left on his contract for an opportunistic grab at a coach who had five years with a highly talented young list and managed to win one final in that time.

[Demonator 93]

Stating Ratten is a better coach then Neeld somehow makes me ALP's chief strategist? Didn't know they had one to be honest. Appears to be rudderless ship (no pun intended) much like Melbourne

No, not at all........it makes you a peanut.