On 08/10/2012 at 09:35, Ben-Hur said:

I'll be very happy to get Wines, but he doesn't quite have the class of Toumpas or O'Rourke.

Not what Emma Quayle thinks, has us picking him over O'Rourke.

  On 08/10/2012 at 09:39, mephis said:

Not what Emma Quayle thinks, has us picking him over O'Rourke.

That's not correct.

Whether she thinks we'll pick Wines or not, is not reflective of class.

Shame it looks like Toumpas will be gone.

Viney spoke glowingly of him in his SEN interview this afternoon.

"I don't know anyone that works harder"

Agree

- trade #3 to GWS for Jesse Hogan.

- pick 4: Oliver Wines. He gets the footy, competitive, tough & ready to go. Viney & Wines "hunt the footy".

  On 08/10/2012 at 09:39, mephis said:

Not what Emma Quayle thinks, has us picking him over O'Rourke.

Yes, I saw her tweet earlier today.

How does that change what I said ?

If we traded Pick 3 for Hogan does this mean GWS could use that Pick 3 on Wines before we get to use Pick 4 on him?

  On 08/10/2012 at 10:19, wizardinoz said:

If we traded Pick 3 for Hogan does this mean GWS could use that Pick 3 on Wines before we get to use Pick 4 on him?

Yes, but they won't. They'll choose Toumpas, or perhaps a Macrae type. With Ward, Greene, Coniglio and Shiel they have more than enough of Wines' type.

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Yes, but they won't. They'll choose Toumpas, or perhaps a Macrae type. With Ward, Greene, Coniglio and Shiel they have more than enough of Wines' type.

Cheers.

  On 08/10/2012 at 10:21, Ben-Hur said:

Yes, but they won't. They'll choose Toumpas, or perhaps a Macrae type. With Ward, Greene, Coniglio and Shiel they have more than enough of Wines' type.

Do you think Hogan will be a better player than Toumpas?

  On 08/10/2012 at 10:43, 45HG16 said:

Do you think Hogan will be a better player than Toumpas?

I don't so hope we pick both up..I really will be disappointed if we do not pick upToumpass.

  On 08/10/2012 at 10:21, Ben-Hur said:

Yes, but they won't. They'll choose Toumpas, or perhaps a Macrae type. With Ward, Greene, Coniglio and Shiel they have more than enough of Wines' type.

Your draft wishlist is still well & truly alive. Hopefully we hang onto P13 rather than involve it in a Dawes trade. Or the Hogan deal. Would like to think Pick 3 should be enough for that

  On 08/10/2012 at 10:43, 45HG16 said:

Do you think Hogan will be a better player than Toumpas?

It's hard comparing a CHF to a mid. I'm no expert on Toumpas, but he looks the consummate all-round mid with good pace, decision making, kicking, leadership, etc. Tonight on SEN they asked Viney who the one player was that he'd like to see get picked by the Dees with one of their early picks and he said Toumpas.

But for me a dominant key forward that can hold down CHF for a decade is more valuable. How many terrific mids do you see running around compared to terrific key forwards ? And the only reason Melbourne are prepared to pay the price for Hogan is because they're predicting he'll become a star.

Hogan for me. But it doesn't mean I don't love Toumpas.

  On 08/10/2012 at 08:39, DemonWA said:

Im not sure if Wines and Viney are best mates like the media make them out to be, but i def think theres an upside in picking players who know each other and have played together before.

Tappscott / Trengove ??

  On 08/10/2012 at 11:16, Ben-Hur said:

It's hard comparing a CHF to a mid. I'm no expert on Toumpas, but he looks the consummate all-round mid with good pace, decision making, kicking, leadership, etc. Tonight on SEN they asked Viney who the one player was that he'd like to see get picked by the Dees with one of their early picks and he said Toumpas.

But for me a dominant key forward that can hold down CHF for a decade is more valuable. How many terrific mids do you see running around compared to terrific key forwards ? And the only reason Melbourne are prepared to pay the price for Hogan is because they're predicting he'll become a star.

Hogan for me. But it doesn't mean I don't love Toumpas.

Cool, thanks for that.

Do you think that pick 3 is still "live" for us anyway? Or do you think it was involved in GWS not nominating Viney and we've agreed to trade it to them?

Neeld loves the hard contested ball winners which means Wines comes right into calculation at pick 4. Don't be fooled though, Wines has some tricks, loves a goal & can take a grab. He's more than just your typical contested ball winner. I hope we take him at 4.

  On 08/10/2012 at 11:20, 45HG16 said:

Cool, thanks for that.

Do you think that pick 3 is still "live" for us anyway? Or do you think it was involved in GWS not nominating Viney and we've agreed to trade it to them?

I don't know, but the tom-toms would suggest Hogan will be a Dee tomorrow.

I'll (almost) be as excited as I was when I heard the news that Viney was coming with a second round pick.

  On 08/10/2012 at 11:34, Ben-Hur said:

I don't know, but the tom-toms would suggest Hogan will be a Dee tomorrow.

I'll (almost) be as excited as I was when I heard the news that Viney was coming with a second round pick.

That's very good news - thanks for your insight.

Will be happy with any of Toumpas, Wines or O'Rourke with pick 4. Gives us another gun midfielder to go with Viney, no matter what happens with our other picks.

  On 08/10/2012 at 09:51, José Mourinho said:

That's not correct.

Whether she thinks we'll pick Wines or not, is not reflective of class.

Shame it looks like Toumpas will be gone.

Viney spoke glowingly of him in his SEN interview this afternoon.

"I don't know anyone that works harder"

There is an article somewhere saying he works out/runs on Christmas day because he knows that nobody else will be doing this, and it gives him an edge.

Wow this is what we need

found it

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Toumpas admitted he had learned a lot from reading their autobiographies.

"Shane Crawford in particular, I remember one thing he wrote - on Christmas Day he always went for a run because he knew his opponents wouldn't be doing that," Toumpas said.

"Two or three years ago I was in Brisbane and me and Dad went out, [it was] pissing down with rain and I went out for a run because I knew no-one else would be doing it."

ok so Shane Crawford runs on christmas day but Toumpas runs in the rain

edit - http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=144716

  On 08/10/2012 at 09:35, Ben-Hur said:

I'll be very happy to get Wines, but he doesn't quite have the class of Toumpas or O'Rourke.

They asked Jack on SEN who he liked in the draft and he said Toumpas, said he was a very good player. That said I'd love to have Wines but I guess we can't have both plus Hogan.

I was seated next to Harrington at the foundation heroes dinner and he said they were concerned that Kennedy was a bit small and would/could get pushed aside by the bigger bodied players at AFL level. Also said they didn't think that Mayes had come on as much as expected this year. I think O'Rourke was the one they want, apart from Toumpas.

From what I have seen, Wines does not seem to have much of a 'hurt factor'. He is not quick, he has a big body but he doesn't seem to use it the way Viney or Dustin Martin do and he doesn't seem to burrow to the bottom of packs to extract. Sort of reminds me of Brent Moloney and I think he will slide, possibly to around pick 10.

Could someone who has seen him more please give their thoughts.

  On 08/10/2012 at 11:17, monoccular said:

Tappscott / Trengove ??

blease/hwfua

bennell/jetta

  On 08/10/2012 at 13:21, Davey said:

From what I have seen, Wines does not seem to have much of a 'hurt factor'. He is not quick, he has a big body but he doesn't seem to use it the way Viney or Dustin Martin do and he doesn't seem to burrow to the bottom of packs to extract. Sort of reminds me of Brent Moloney and I think he will slide, possibly to around pick 10.

Could someone who has seen him more please give their thoughts.

Direct comparison both in looks and game style is Jack Ziebell. He hurts you for the sole fact he will run harder than you and go harder than you.

Nothing needs to be elite because he is one of the few with an elite mind for football and he'll be a class player for many years.

That said I'm still hoping for Toumpas.

Agree

- trade #3 to GWS for Jesse Hogan.

- pick 4: Oliver Wines. He gets the footy, competitive, tough & ready to go. Viney & Wines "hunt the footy".

We need more hunters. Wines will not be a Thomas/Deledio/Martin/Judd type to burst & explode BUT more of a Jude Bolton/Sam Mitchell/Joel Selwood/Jobe Watson type, to get it over and over again and distribute.

Wines will be a 10-yr+ player with the ability to accumulate and get the footy. Pick 4. And he has leadership and a good footy brain.

  On 09/10/2012 at 04:44, spirit of norm smith said:

Agree

- trade #3 to GWS for Jesse Hogan.

- pick 4: Oliver Wines. He gets the footy, competitive, tough & ready to go. Viney & Wines "hunt the footy".

We need more hunters. Wines will not be a Thomas/Deledio/Martin/Judd type to burst & explode BUT more of a Jude Bolton/Sam Mitchell/Joel Selwood/Jobe Watson type, to get it over and over again and distribute.

Wines will be a 10-yr+ player with the ability to accumulate and get the footy. Pick 4. And he has leadership and a good footy brain.

Could not agree more, Wines would be my choice at #4

  On 09/10/2012 at 05:28, demonchris said:

Could not agree more, Wines would be my choice at #4

I disagree, we already have Magner, Viney, Jones and Sylvia to do the job people want Wines for.

We should draft O Rourke or Mcrae who can spread better and be the ones that get fed the ball. No point having so many players getting the ball if they have nobody decent to pass it off to