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Liam Jurrah - committal hearing in Alice Springs

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  On 23/07/2012 at 05:06, belzebub59 said:

Lock it.

Agree! Nothing but conjecture here! Lock it!

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    Belzebub wanted the thread locked a few pages back, and now that it has gone to trial, which it always was going to, he is swinging from the cheap seats.

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      On 25/07/2012 at 06:23, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    This wasn't a trial. It was a committal hearing. Proceeding to trial is not the best result for Liam but it's important for people to understand the Magistrate has not formed a view as to Liam's guilt or otherwise. All the Magistrate has determined is that there is sufficient evidence for a trial to proceed. That evidence will be tested in a proper trial at a later date.

    That's how I interpreted it, it wasn't a trial to determin guilt, it was to determin whether the evidence was worth being heard by a jury. Fact is we have heard the evidence through the papers, there may have more said than reported or put into better context. From the outside it sounds like he has a good chance to cast reasonable doubt on the evidence, but we don't know enough.

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      On 25/07/2012 at 06:53, Forest Demon said:

    Belzebub wanted the thread locked a few pages back, and now that it has gone to trial, which it always was going to, he is swinging from the cheap seats.

    lock it..Im fine with that
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    This is just too weird for me.

    You guys are now having a debate about locking the thread.....stop posting and dont read it if you've had enough.

    This is like a society of sycophants...the rules are good,follow the rules,repeat the rules after me...All hail the rules.

    I'm sure there's a Simpsons episode ih this somewhere.

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    It is amazing that this goes on to trial when none of the witnesses can remember anything or even be bothered to turn up!!

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      On 25/07/2012 at 08:16, why you little said:

    It is amazing that this goes on to trial when none of the witnesses can remember anything or even be bothered to turn up!!

    I thought that....smacks of agenda doesnt it , hmmm !!!
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      On 25/07/2012 at 08:20, belzebub59 said:

    I thought that....smacks of agenda doesnt it , hmmm !!!

    It smacks of something. Our Liam may still be in a spot of bother...
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    No agenda here. The case is based on a person called Basil who sustained a gaping hole in his head and several deep slices to his face claiming dear cousin Liam and his mates did it. A very serious allegation. More than enough base evidence to go to trial when the victim of the assault identifies his assailants. Trial is a very different matter and there has been enough confusion, contradiction, boozy recollections and legal gobbledygook thrown in that it may well be impossible to prove without doubt cousin Liam actually did it. The law seeks proof without doubt and nothing less especially in such a high profile case with nationwide scrutiny. I think Liam may end up being our very own OJ Simpson.

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    The problem will be in finding a jury of his "peers"

    Selecting an acceptable but fair minded and impartial jury will be a monumental task and I doubt any one group will be satisfied

    I don't even know if it has to be a jury trial

    It might be one of those case where a trial by judge would be better (for Liam that is)

    Does anyone know?

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      On 25/07/2012 at 09:36, america de cali said:

    No agenda here. The case is based on a person called Basil who sustained a gaping hole in his head and several deep slices to his face claiming dear cousin Liam and his mates did it. A very serious allegation. More than enough base evidence to go to trial when the victim of the assault identifies his assailants. Trial is a very different matter and there has been enough confusion, contradiction, boozy recollections and legal gobbledygook thrown in that it may well be impossible to prove without doubt cousin Liam actually did it. The law seeks proof without doubt and nothing less especially in such a high profile case with nationwide scrutiny. I think Liam may end up being our very own OJ Simpson.

    A gaping hole in his head; a cut that required 6 stitches isn't exactly gaping, get a grip.

    The connection to OJ Simpson indicates you believe he is guilty; can I ask you how you came to that opinion?

    Basil doesn't even remember who he was with so how can he remember who hit him or why they did?

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      On 25/07/2012 at 05:01, DemonWA said:

    i think the club will continue to stand by him.

    It's an absolute certainty.

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      On 25/07/2012 at 09:55, Nasher said:

    Given that he goes to trial before his contract is up, they've got nothing to achieve by dumping him now and everything to gain by supporting him.

    What might've happened had his trial been post-October is a moot point now.

    his trial may well indeed be in Oct...nov...who knows.. Trial is set Sep...not held.
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      On 25/07/2012 at 08:24, why you little said:

    It smacks of something. Our Liam may still be in a spot of bother...

    From the age today

    ''It was obvious that [the committal] would occur,'' Mr Tippett said. ''The [legal] test for moving this case ... into the Supreme Court is so very low that it was bound to happen. It's not a finding of guilt, my client is not guilty.''

    Seem s the QC knew this case would go to trail before this whole thing started.

    Its gone to trail because there is enough evidence. It doesn't mean that we don't have a massive chance of winning.

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      On 25/07/2012 at 09:45, RobbieF said:

    A gaping hole in his head; a cut that required 6 stitches isn't exactly gaping, get a grip.

    The connection to OJ Simpson indicates you believe he is guilty; can I ask you how you came to that opinion?

    Basil doesn't even remember who he was with so how can he remember who hit him or why they did?

    So are you claiming OJ was guilty? He was found to be NOT GUILTY at his trial.

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      On 25/07/2012 at 10:12, Nasher said:

    Putting my extreme ignorance on show here, but what's the difference?

    "Jurrah arraigned to September 3, when a trial date will be set."

    On an appointed day the court will instruct a date for the actual trial.

    i.e on one day they announce the date ( another day ) when it will actually start.

    kinda like on a particular day the afl announces the fixture

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    I noticed the cut to basil's head (top rear) was described by the prosecution and media as a very deep cut all the way to the bone.

    Given the scalp is about 1/4" or less in this area it seems a bit of hyperbole to call this a very deep cut

    Not suggesting it wasn't serious or nasty but it is interesting to note the emotive use of language

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      On 25/07/2012 at 10:33, america de cali said:

    So are you claiming OJ was guilty? He was found to be NOT GUILTY at his trial.

    Which one, the criminal or civil?

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      On 25/07/2012 at 05:09, old dee said:

    Guessing Deeoldfart but we are talking the NT here.

    Not having a trial might cause a lot more trouble than having one.

    Yeah od, I see some logic in what you'rs saying.

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      On 25/07/2012 at 05:38, DemonWA said:

    Beamer going out and getting plastered and pi$sing on a bar is DUMB

    What's DUMB is perpetuating unproven media reports, the Publican denied it happened, from memory I think there was video footage that just showed him sitting at the bar.

    It's been alleged that the story came from a Collingwood supporter. So maybe an edit is in order.

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      On 25/07/2012 at 10:33, america de cali said:

    So are you claiming OJ was guilty? He was found to be NOT GUILTY at his trial.

    Although the Simpson verdict was not guilty it is widely believed that he was in fact guilty. Thus your reference suggests that you believe Liam will get off despite being guilty. That's at least how I read it.

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      On 25/07/2012 at 10:55, Pates said:

    Although the Simpson verdict was not guilty it is widely believed that he was in fact guilty. Thus your reference suggests that you believe Liam will get off despite being guilty. That's at least how I read it.

    was my take too
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      On 25/07/2012 at 10:44, RobbieF said:

    Which one, the criminal or civil?

    Civil cases weight in favor of balance of probability rather than undeniable proof which is required in criminal trials to obtain a conviction. Hope that clears your confusion. Liam is lucky that he does not have to be judged on balance of probability for this matter.

    PS. I am sure you would have a different opinion of him if he still played for the filth.

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