do you agree?

Rohan Bail can turn ball over with kicking

C Bartam. Poor foot skills

M Bate Lacks Pace. very inconsistent and one dimensional

J Bennel Turns the ball over, does not go in hard enough has no inside game

S Blease. Lots of upside, needs to work on inside game

M Clark Shining Light cant do anymore

L Cook Has not played senior footy, very light framed bad choice?

A Davey Game has passed him by lost pace, fitness looks shot, marking is his weak point

T Davis Haven’t seen enough

L Dunn. Does not work hard enough, to small to play as FF doesn’t do enough as mid Forward, another inconsistent player

J Fitzpatrick Have not seen enough

J Frawley Can sometimes make the wrong decision,

C Garland, Failures to do the basics , can turn the ball over

M Gawn Have not seen enough

B Green Game has passed him by lost yard of pace, Goal Kicking has gone off

J Grimes Injuries have hurt him played ok this year. can still become great player

J Gysberts Been injured this year see upside if he adds some bulk

J Howe Goalkicking has let him down this year overall heaps of upside

M Jamar, Does not take enough contested marks for ruckman, Goal kicking is trouble

N Jetta, Does not have that exploise speed for F pocket.

N Jones, Career best form cant do anymore

L Jurrah Off field issues hurt him, lacks defensive pressure

J Mcdonald can turn the ball over, like his hardness but

S Martin Goalkicking is his problem

T Mcdonald Kicking is bit shaky but has held up really well in defense

J Mckenzie No pace, bad foot skills, very hard at stoppages

B Moloney Bad Year lacking pace and spread

C Morton Terrible skills under pressure makes wrong decision way to often turns the ball over

R Petterd His he working hard enough has all the skills?

J Rivers, Battler, this year can hold his head high

J Sellar, Does he want to be AFL player?

J Spencer uncoordinated style, can take big mark, could mature late.

J Strauss, Broken leg hurt him have not seen enough

C Sylvia, Could be the most talented on our list, does he work hard enough?

R Taggert Have not seen enough

L Tapscott, Pace is worry, hard at the ball, must work on getting to more contests.

J Trengove, seems to have gone backwards, fumbles the ball an when he does get it butchers it by foot, a big worry

J Tyann Have not seen enough

J Watts Looks comfortable down back, hardness and work rate still issue

What is there to say.

You've done a lot of work there, Captain Obvious.

Pretty good summary considering we're 2-12.

A glass half empty is still a glass.

I suppose Swan is slow. Judd lacks acceleration. D Martin has off field issues. Do they also have positives? Yes.

I wonder how much we have to kick the list before they turn into the team of the century. I wonder if anyone at the club knows the status of our players?

Your favourite player(s) include one D Nicholson. No comment? Or a Freudian slip??

do you agree?

Rohan Bail can turn ball over with kicking

C Bartam. Poor foot skills

M Bate Lacks Pace. very inconsistent and one dimensional

J Bennel Turns the ball over, does not go in hard enough has no inside game

S Blease. Lots of upside, needs to work on inside game

M Clark Shining Light cant do anymore

L Cook Has not played senior footy, very light framed bad choice?

A Davey Game has passed him by lost pace, fitness looks shot, marking is his weak point

T Davis Haven’t seen enough

L Dunn. Does not work hard enough, to small to play as FF doesn’t do enough as mid Forward, another inconsistent player

J Fitzpatrick Have not seen enough

J Frawley Can sometimes make the wrong decision,

C Garland, Failures to do the basics , can turn the ball over

M Gawn Have not seen enough

B Green Game has passed him by lost yard of pace, Goal Kicking has gone off

J Grimes Injuries have hurt him played ok this year. can still become great player

J Gysberts Been injured this year see upside if he adds some bulk

J Howe Goalkicking has let him down this year overall heaps of upside

M Jamar, Does not take enough contested marks for ruckman, Goal kicking is trouble

N Jetta, Does not have that exploise speed for F pocket.

N Jones, Career best form cant do anymore

L Jurrah Off field issues hurt him, lacks defensive pressure

J Mcdonald can turn the ball over, like his hardness but

S Martin Goalkicking is his problem

T Mcdonald Kicking is bit shaky but has held up really well in defense

J Mckenzie No pace, bad foot skills, very hard at stoppages

B Moloney Bad Year lacking pace and spread

C Morton Terrible skills under pressure makes wrong decision way to often turns the ball over

R Petterd His he working hard enough has all the skills?

J Rivers, Battler, this year can hold his head high

J Sellar, Does he want to be AFL player?

J Spencer uncoordinated style, can take big mark, could mature late.

J Strauss, Broken leg hurt him have not seen enough

C Sylvia, Could be the most talented on our list, does he work hard enough?

R Taggert Have not seen enough

L Tapscott, Pace is worry, hard at the ball, must work on getting to more contests.

J Trengove, seems to have gone backwards, fumbles the ball an when he does get it butchers it by foot, a big worry

J Tyann Have not seen enough

J Watts Looks comfortable down back, hardness and work rate still issue

Dare I say obvious comments.

10 out 10 for your effort

But nothing in there most of us havent stated in the past.

Its all well and good, pointing out opinions on players, our problem is developing the talent on our list.

We have a knack of under-achieving talented players not being able to go to another level.

Thats the real issue. You wont convice me, that every top draft pick we have or had in the past isnt up for it.

There have been too many in the past and now, that stagnate.

Some WILL fail, for whatever reason, thats a given, but most of ours, tread water.

Fitness levels, attitude, and coaching staff are accountable, Some very ordinary players have become great players

Our hit rate is woeful, you cant keep cutting or naming 1/2 the list as spuds every season.

Neeld and Co will know, what it is required. And will make changes accordingly.

Leave player assessments to them. If they fail, so does the team,and club as a whole.

I personally think we are in good hands, and they will make the tough calls at seasons end

Then we will have another uproar, why this one stayed and this one went.

Your favourite player(s) include one D Nicholson. No comment? Or a Freudian slip??

umm yeah a young player who plays with flair, has pace, sticks to his man not affraid to take the game on. love D Nicholson

do you agree?

Rohan Bail can turn ball over with kicking

C Bartam. Poor foot skills

M Bate Lacks Pace. very inconsistent and one dimensional

J Bennel Turns the ball over, does not go in hard enough has no inside game

S Blease. Lots of upside, needs to work on inside game

M Clark Shining Light cant do anymore

L Cook Has not played senior footy, very light framed bad choice?

A Davey Game has passed him by lost pace, fitness looks shot, marking is his weak point

T Davis Haven’t seen enough

L Dunn. Does not work hard enough, to small to play as FF doesn’t do enough as mid Forward, another inconsistent player

J Fitzpatrick Have not seen enough

J Frawley Can sometimes make the wrong decision,

C Garland, Failures to do the basics , can turn the ball over

M Gawn Have not seen enough

B Green Game has passed him by lost yard of pace, Goal Kicking has gone off

J Grimes Injuries have hurt him played ok this year. can still become great player

J Gysberts Been injured this year see upside if he adds some bulk

J Howe Goalkicking has let him down this year overall heaps of upside

M Jamar, Does not take enough contested marks for ruckman, Goal kicking is trouble

N Jetta, Does not have that exploise speed for F pocket.

N Jones, Career best form cant do anymore

L Jurrah Off field issues hurt him, lacks defensive pressure

J Mcdonald can turn the ball over, like his hardness but

S Martin Goalkicking is his problem

T Mcdonald Kicking is bit shaky but has held up really well in defense

J Mckenzie No pace, bad foot skills, very hard at stoppages

B Moloney Bad Year lacking pace and spread

C Morton Terrible skills under pressure makes wrong decision way to often turns the ball over

R Petterd His he working hard enough has all the skills?

J Rivers, Battler, this year can hold his head high

J Sellar, Does he want to be AFL player?

J Spencer uncoordinated style, can take big mark, could mature late.

J Strauss, Broken leg hurt him have not seen enough

C Sylvia, Could be the most talented on our list, does he work hard enough?

R Taggert Have not seen enough

L Tapscott, Pace is worry, hard at the ball, must work on getting to more contests.

J Trengove, seems to have gone backwards, fumbles the ball an when he does get it butchers it by foot, a big worry

J Tyann Have not seen enough

J Watts Looks comfortable down back, hardness and work rate still issue

Not erally.

So of all the list you can come up with a couple of positives. I agree if the topic is about weaknesses but not asan assessment. I. Think it might bedtime to support a new club if that is the best assessment you can do.ifnot for anything else but for your sanity. The list will not change much in the next 12 months.

Let me add some passed players in for context:

R. Flower - has a dip but not proven in finals.

D. Neitz - needs to work on set shot run in

J. Stynes - not a natural AFL footballer

I'm glad you're not our list management or we'd be drafting 35 new blokes.

Let me add some passed players in for context:

R. Flower - has a dip but not proven in finals.

D. Neitz - needs to work on set shot run in

J. Stynes - not a natural AFL footballer

I'm glad you're not our list management or we'd be drafting 35 new blokes.

Hate to be a grammar nazi but I don't think Robbie and David would appreciate being described as 'passed' players

Let me add some passed players in for context:

R. Flower - has a dip but not proven in finals.

D. Neitz - needs to work on set shot run in

J. Stynes - not a natural AFL footballer

I'm glad you're not our list management or we'd be drafting 35 new blokes.

Its a harsh reality. Did i say delist all them players um no. with the right coaching these things can be worked on.

All the things i said wrong ? its just where the club is at th.e momment

ashdemons22, a lot of work here and some relevant points.

I'm sure the FD is looking at all of these players.

I certainly wish we could draft 35 new players! We need to as we are quite possibly the worst team to play since the Melbourne side coached by Denis Jones or Fitzroy in its dying days. Naturally, I'm excluding the 2 recent start-up clubs.

The only thing giving most of us any hope is the 2 Tom Scully concession picks. FCS imagine how bleak things would be if we still had Tom Scully and not those 2 Picks. I could never have imagined that with so many early Draft Picks a side could be so poorly skilled.

I certainly wish we could draft 35 new players! We need to as we are quite possibly the worst team to play since the Melbourne side coached by Denis Jones or Fitzroy in its dying days. Naturally, I'm excluding the 2 recent start-up clubs.

The only thing giving most of us any hope is the 2 Tom Scully concession picks. FCS imagine how bleak things would be if we still had Tom Scully and not those 2 Picks. I could never have imagined that with so many early Draft Picks a side could be so poorly skilled.

Things will change very quickly but we're building from the ground up.

3 top picks, Jack Viney, a fit Clark, Jurrah, Gysberts, Blease, Howe, Couch, Jones, McKenzie, Tommy Mc and things are looking up.

james sellar does want to be an AFL player. he is forever greatful to be given a second chance at an afl list.

Add 2 quality 23 year old midfielders, put 20 more games into our current list and get Clark, Watts, Jones, Jamar, Sylvia, Frawley, Howe and Jurrah in our team playing together for a full season and a lot of these fringe players look a lot better because their not expected to carry as much weight.

Better run with injuries and good experienced drafting and we will be much more competitive.

Or we could throw the baby out with the bath water which would prove to be popular on D'land after every loss it seems.

I certainly wish we could draft 35 new players! We need to as we are quite possibly the worst team to play since the Melbourne side coached by Denis Jones or Fitzroy in its dying days. Naturally, I'm excluding the 2 recent start-up clubs.

The only thing giving most of us any hope is the 2 Tom Scully concession picks. FCS imagine how bleak things would be if we still had Tom Scully and not those 2 Picks. I could never have imagined that with so many early Draft Picks a side could be so poorly skilled.

Dont worry too much . I am told by a source who shall remain nameless (on the payroll of the MFC) that the drafting/delisting this year will be "ruthless and brutal".

I ran through some names with him and all the guys who you would expect to be going are going .

So of all the list you can come up with a couple of positives. I agree if the topic is about weaknesses but not asan assessment. I. Think it might bedtime to support a new club if that is the best assessment you can do.ifnot for anything else but for your sanity. The list will not change much in the next 12 months.

Yes it will-expect 10-12 changes .

Get on Casey to win the flag in 2013-they will have a lot of former AFL players in their mid 20s

Dont worry too much . I am told by a source who shall remain nameless (on the payroll of the MFC) that the drafting/delisting this year will be "ruthless and brutal".

I ran through some names with him and all the guys who you would expect to be going are going .

Your reputation is at stake now. You sound like many commentators who make these big statements only to be proven wrong. If what you say is true, we are in a worse position as a club than I thought because such employees should never be revealing such things.

Interesting observations. Troy Davis has a good frame for a young bloke but once again his kicking has been questionable which annoys me only because im surprised we would go for more players with questionable accuracy.

I cant work out why yesterday Jordan Gysberts looked as skinny as he did at the start of the 2010 season at Casey.

Jurrah will unfortunately be in jail soon. I think Green can play on for specific roles and did well yesterday to provide a contest and to kick a few.

Stef martin is quite an accurate kick - he kicks more set shots than many of our forwards (Bail struggles, etc), but consistency has been a probem for Stef but it was great to see him stamp his place in the side yesterday with some of the form and composure we saw in the previous season.

In all honesty when you look at the side this year you see a lot of question marks - do we show more faith in players that have traded on potential for a long time and never lifted their game to the next level or more tellingly improved the parts of their game that are lacking? In terms of required players Id say it could be as few as Rivers, Frawley, Tom McDonald, Watts, Jamar, Jones, Sylvia, Clark, Grimes, Trenners and Howe off the trade / delist table ignoring contract position (davey has another year, etc).

Your reputation is at stake now. You sound like many commentators who make these big statements only to be proven wrong. If what you say is true, we are in a worse position as a club than I thought because such employees should never be revealing such things.

That is why he shall remain nameless-he is a very old mate.

But rest assured there will be a cull .

Those here that have called for a cull will not be disappointed.

That is why he shall remain nameless-he is a very old mate.

But rest assured there will be a cull .

Those here that have called for a cull will not be disappointed.

How do you know that? I have this sinking feeling sometimes that next pre season Ill be watching the same dead wood wondering why players that couldnt make it on other lists get fourth chances at the dees...

If you were Neeld ,would you not get out the chainsaw and do some "pruning".