Play Jack Viney at Casey in '13 so we get picks 3 & 4.

[McQueen 17,867]

Is being anchored to the bottom four of the ladder for another five years a "good image" for the club?

Of course not. But if you think playing Viney in the VFL for a year to gain these two picks is going to solve our woes you're dreaming.

If anything, I think it would handicap Jack's development to a point that it would impede the progress of the MFC.

The kid will be a gun.

[olisik 4,060]

No doubt opposition players will target Viney early on

[H_T 3,049]

Interesting and controversial suggestion RR.

I think I'd want him drafted this year. But I can see some method in your madness.

Get him into the system ASAP. Our mids need him.

[jurrahcane 70]

Jack Viney wants to be at MFC and we want him. Simple. Pick him with the pick required and move on. We hope it will a round 2 (#24 ish) but if its pick 3, such is life.

He will debut in Round 1 2013, alongside our new midfield (Jones, Trengove, Gysberts + Viney, Jimmy Toumpas, Koby Stevens). .

[DEELIGHTED 16]

one of the silliest threads ever.

Let the kid play, Where? Hopefully with us. The idea of keeping him back for the good of the MFC is plain ludicrous.

May have been mentioned but what if he gets a freak injury and prevents him from playing afl whilst trudging around in the vfl. No teenager in the country would go with this idea.

If we get him with whatever pick so be it, if we get a number 1 or 2 draft pick for pick 3 or 4 its a bonus.

[rpfc 28,773]

No doubt opposition players will target Viney early on

They already have. Wojo cleaned him up.

And what did he do?

He broke his jaw, pushed away the trainers as he was bleeding and vowed:

Tough, scary kid.

[McQueen 17,867]

The idea of keeping him back for the good of the MFC is plain ludicrous.

Yep, the idea is oxymoronic.

[Hatchman 539]

I wish for the day where we are looking forward to september, not november

Fark yeah same here

And 178 is fine for an inside mid, low centre of gravity, harder to tackle. The best attribute of Viney is his aggression, you can't make someone like that, you're either born like it or you're not. We desperately need a player like this

[Swooper 266]

Interesting to hear Leigh Matthews talking on the weekend about a return to prominence of the 'squat' player. Said that that body type is really suited to the way footy is evolving and close inside work.

[beelzebub 23,383]

Hmm Leigh Mathews is guess how tall ?

Who here would NOT have had him in your side ?

Jack..Leigh...Jack....Leigh......hmmm

[Pennant St Dee 13,304]

Munga mentioned this in the other thread but I think this subject needs its own thread.

I don't see the harm in young Jack playing a development season at Casey so we can take two picks ( 3 AND 4) at the cream of this year's draft.

The reasons for doing this outweigh the negatives in my opinion.

Discuss.

No way either take him or don't. Lets not stuff the kid around he is champing at the bit to play AFL this year so how do you think he would react if asked to hold off for another year

[Pennant St Dee 13,304]

Hmm Leigh Mathews is guess how tall ?

Who here would NOT have had him in your side ?

Jack..Leigh...Jack....Leigh......hmmm

Daniel Kerr, Keiran Jack, Sam Mitchell, Andy Krakour would all look pretty good in their as well

[stuie 7,374]

He'll be with the Dees next year, don't understand why so many believe the stuff we're putting out about not taking him with too high a pick, it's only for the benefit of GWS.

For the record, given our previous drafting in recent years, I'd much rather take someone definitely worth pick 7 with pick 3, than gamble pick 3 on someone who may only end up being worth a pick 27.

[cowboy_from_hell 2,390]

Viney wants to play at the MFC but he wants to be an AFL player more. He is human and wouldn't we all just want to play footy at the highest level? Just get him.

[BIG JIM 508]

I am sick of thinking about this it's simple jack is worth pick 3 and we have pick 3.

The good thing is that we have pick 4 to get another mid Toumpas

And we have pick 12 or 13 which should net us Boak in a super draft.

All of this power get the MFC a new Midfield Jamar,Jones,Boak,Viney,Toumpas

We win its that simple.

[Samsara 65]

I think the idea that "it work's - in theory - but so does communism" sums up this thread well.

Cudos to RR for putting the idea out there, but it would be a stupid decision for mine.

[drdrake 3,187]

I don't think some people on the site realise how bad our midfield is, our midfield is the worst in the AFL, our midfiled depth we had Gysberts playing at Casey with Couch that is it we need midfielders all types Viney is a required player at Melbourne along with two to three other midfielders, if you could play him this week he would get a game, he will be as good as Mark Murphy.

[The Song Formerly Known As 6,479]

I can't wait until this whole Viney affair is over, and he had signed and is with us.

I grow weary of it all.

[Bossdog 2,002]

Is being anchored to the bottom four of the ladder for another five years a "good image" for the club?

And who's to say that pick 3 and 4 would be a far better player than Viney???....I think this is a stupid idea.....The draft is an inexact process.....

[Goodvibes 3,596]

I am sick of thinking about this it's simple jack is worth pick 3 and we have pick 3.

I really hope you're right but I'm interested in what has led you to that definitive conclusion.

[Red N Blue Society 165]

We most definately should use a top 5 pick on Jack Viney.

He certainly looks the goods to me. And hes bloody tough and wont shirk a contest.

Anyone who picks on a premiership player in the Cats Wojinski in his first VFL game and gets a fair amount of the ball also says hey I'm ready to play.

Give him a pre season under Neeld minus a broken Jaw also & he will be even better.

I think hes worth it..we need midfield talent ready to go and he will be one who is ready..IMO.

[Macca 17,032]

There is no doubt about it Rangey , you are the absolute King at sparking interest in a thread !

Like your work , but this idea simply won't be taken up by the club - for any number of reasons .

One of those reason IMO is that the Club and its supporters have copped so much in the last few years for it's poor performances and perceived tanking , that we'd be just asking for trouble .

Another reason is that we desperately need more midfielders so that we can get some wins . Winning games has to be the main objective of the club (and should always be) . Viney could easily be the difference in winning a close game or 3 . Next year .

And how 'bout those 'Footy karma god's ? Something would go wrong !

Edited July 3, 2012 by Macca

[BIG JIM 508]

I really hope you're right but I'm interested in what has led you to that definitive conclusion.

I have seen him play and i rate him the 2nd best kid in this draft after whitfield and if you listen to any expert they would rate jack as about the 3rd best.

[green_machine 36]

This is the only potential useful suggestion made on the whole jack viney thing and everyone seems to slag it off. What gives ?

My thoughts are

If JV is pick 1 to 3 then he goes this year

If JV is pick 8+ then he goes this year. There is no way GWS or GC will risk nominating

The only difficulty is if JV is rated 3-7. If he is in this range and GWS or GC play funny buggers then he goes interstate and we get a two top three picks when we should have only got one but we lose JV

If he is in this range then not nominating for a year might be a win for jack. He can be guaranteed to play for melb and if some richer melb supporters steps in then he won't be out of pocket. Problem solved.

However as I have said above if he is worth pick three then pay it. If he is not then melb should offer jack options and this might be one of then. ( mind you we better have a strong legal position or else AFL won't stand for it)

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[Ouch! 2,266]

This is the only potential useful suggestion made on the whole jack viney thing and everyone seems to slag it off. What gives ?

My thoughts are

If JV is pick 1 to 3 then he goes this year

If JV is pick 8+ then he goes this year. There is no way GWS or GC will risk nominating

The only difficulty is if JV is rated 3-7. If he is in this range and GWS or GC play funny buggers then he goes interstate and we get a two top three picks when we should have only got one but we lose JV

If he is in this range then not nominating for a year might be a win for jack. He can be guaranteed to play for melb and if some richer melb supporters steps in then he won't be out of pocket. Problem solved.

However as I have said above if he is worth pick three then pay it. If he is not then melb should offer jack options and this might be one of then. ( mind you we better have a strong legal position or else AFL won't stand for it)

Agree with a bit of what you are saying, except if he doesn't nominate this year, he isn't eligible to be picked up as a F/S next year (Fairly certain the rules only allow you to nominate once this way, and withdrawing would void him doing it next year) The AFL wouldn't allow this as a loophole. Also... Jack Viney as much as he probably loves MFC, wants to be playing AFL next year, not playing in the VFL...