Play Jack Viney at Casey in '13 so we get picks 3 & 4.

[Range Rover 1,935]

Munga mentioned this in the other thread but I think this subject needs its own thread.

I don't see the harm in young Jack playing a development season at Casey so we can take two picks ( 3 AND 4) at the cream of this year's draft.

The reasons for doing this outweigh the negatives in my opinion.

Discuss.

[furious d 472]

How about we just take Jack at the pick we're forced to.

The kids been itching to play AFL footy and by all reports would have walked into our team this year. There is no way the kid will put his life on hold for a year just to satisfy the greedy idiots on here.

This is the worst idea yet proposed and it's had some pretty stiff competition.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

You just can't stuff a kid around like that. I would imagine if the club went and proposed to Jack he sit out of the draft so we can get 2 better players and pick him up next year, he would tell them to go and get f$%&ed and he would be playing AFL football for someone else next season.

[Range Rover 1,935]

How about the greater good of the Melbourne Football Club over the interests of one kid?

I'm sorry but this is what it comes down to.

I don't see what's so wrong with him playing a year in our development side anyway. What ... just for the giddiness we'll all get when Todd calls his name out in November?

If we can draft in another top shelf draft talent using whatever means necessary, then we must do it.

[MadAsHell 4,215]

The idea works in theory, but then again so does communism.....

Just can't see Jack or his agent agreeing to it as it's delaying the start of his career, unless there was some brown paper bags at play!

Certainly not the worst idea I've heard, a bit harsh I would have thought.

[furious d 472]

Put yourself in Jacks boots for a minute RR, do you remember being 18. A year is an eternity for a kid that age.

Won't happen and shouldn't happen

[Jonesbag 487]

The idea works in theory, but then again so does communism.....

You son of a [censored]!!! I was just about to put that down..... ahhh kudos for a great mind though

[rjay 25,102]

A kid who has a life dream of being a career footballer putting his career on hold, I don't think so. Jack needs development in the big time, he owes Melbourne nothing.

[old dee 23,872]

Sorry RR I cannot possibly agree with you.

The MFC has done way too much tanking and trying to be clever.

By all accounts the kid is in the top 5 players in this draft.

Use whatever pick it takes and get on with improving the team and start winning games on a regular basis.

The rest is crap.

[beelzebub 23,383]

Sorry I really cant buy this. It sounds all marvellous onpaper and thats the intrinsic problem about much thinking that constantly suggest this or that as some idea of maybe oneday having a really good team...on paper. Its the munyana theory.. That is One day, not today, but a day real soon , all the planets will align and we will have this player and that one and we will finally have our perfect team...on paper.

It perpetuates the myth of fields being greener on the other side of the day etc. It for miine supposes its some sort of game of 'collecting' players, not building a team

You win games by bringing together talented and able players who have ability and expereince and the nouse to play a game as directed by the coach but intepreted along with natural inclinations...translation...footy smarts.

So many keep living in some for of 'tomorrowism" That it will always be better some day off in the future because we will have this pick and that one, and we will have SO much potential that surely we must succeed.

People, its about NOW. We are here now, the coach and players are here now. They arent doing too crash hot but the improvement and selecting is happening now. We need to take Viney ( or someone ) at seasons end and meld them into a growing Melbourne team, we need to add into that mix another distinct talent via a high draft pick ( but acknowledge they proabbaly wont do much for another year) we nnned to go find a couple lof ready mades to plug holes in the team for the coming year(s).

We cant keep thinking in terms of a year or two, that these players will come on in a year or two etc . If a perpetual tomorrow is the goal line then I fear we wil never reach it.

Viney , should he be picked and I hope he is , needs to be in a Melbourne jumper NEXT year. he needs some games at AFL level in him next year. This allows us to grow NOW...not the year after or the year after that.

Theres still thsi idea of having your cake and eating it too. . We as a club just need to be satisfied we got the picks we did and make the best of those. But do it in a fashion which results in distinct and noticable improvements right away

Viney may well play a game or two in the magoos next year but his progress and development will only be stunted and delayed by playing him there all year.

[Roger Mellie 4,105]

If he's ready to play and is better than 3/4 of our team, he wont pussyfoot around at Casey

[drdrake 3,187]

If Jack Viney was on our list today he would be in our midfield playing each week. We are all concerning ourself over nothing, Jack Viney will be drafted by Melbourne whenther we are forced to use our first round pick or not. Our midfield is severely undermanned , Nathan Jones has been great, Grimes has been good and McKenzie has done some good stopping jobs apart from them the rest have struggled. Viney fit and well plays round 1 for us and will go close to winning the rising star next year,

[rpfc 28,784]

I don't know if it is even possible for him to not nominate for this draft and delay it a year...

It's interesting but I just think Viney is what this list needs and I want him in there ASAP.

[poita 3,902]

So when next year comes and we are still rubbish, and we have the chance to either use a high pick on JV or another kid, we push him back another 12 months?

[Range Rover 1,935]

So when next year comes and we are still rubbish, and we have the chance to either use a high pick on JV or another kid, we push him back another 12 months?

No, just this once in what is reportedly a 'superdraft'.

I think you are all overestimating the influence an 18yo Viney would have on the senior side next season.

He is not going to be the difference to us making finals or not, so why not come to 'arrangement' with him and Todd so that we can possibly pick the next Chris Judd at pick 3?

* The next Chris Judd (3) AND Matthew Pavlich (4).

** Cue the naysayers who will say we'll pick the next Morton and Fiora!!

[Hatchman 539]

Bad idea.

Get him to the club ASAP so he can do the pre-season, work with the players and debut Round 1 2013.

This kid is Dustin Martin Mk 2.

We need him.

Badly.

Because as this weekend showed, the moment we lose one of our best mids (Jones) we fall apart.

[Jonesbag 487]

Isnt he a top 3-5 pick anyway? Stop getting greedy people, we are in a very good position in draft position which will either get us a good senior midfielder or a young exciting prospect + jack viney + pick 12

[Range Rover 1,935]

Isnt he a top 3-5 pick anyway? Stop getting greedy people, we are in a very good position in draft position which will either get us a good senior midfielder or a young exciting prospect + jack viney + pick 12

Why shouldn't we be "greedy"? I don't understand this sentiment. Is it because we are Melbourne and we play by the book thank you very much?

We should be working the system and trying to find every edge and advantage possible.

If we do take the 'vanilla' approach to this matter Jack Viney would want to be every bit as good as people are saying ... and then some.

[Jarka 767]

This would be a great move for the MFC, but I would never ever even consider doing it. Jack Viney is a kid with an enormous appetite to succeed, kids as motivated as he is are bloody, get him into the team asap so he can develop at he's natural rate. Playing for Casey for another season would do nothing to help his career develop.

[bush demon 2,062]

It seems only yesterday we were basking in the glory of getting picks 3 and 5 (Sylvia/ McLean). Now we are obsessing over early draft picks again.

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

Isnt he a top 3-5 pick anyway? Stop getting greedy people, we are in a very good position in draft position which will either get us a good senior midfielder or a young exciting prospect + jack viney + pick 12

no, Jonesbag this is my point. Lets get greedy! why not. just rolling over without a fight and taking him at 3 because he's 'worth it' will mean we get one less top 5 pick. lets manipulate the system as much as possible and get as much as we can. thats the attitude that builds tough no bull**** clubs. im tired of just being nice

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

a bit of creative thinking this draft period could net the club 3 'top 5 ' picks instead of two. How is this a bad thing? OR, the club could approach the issue with an attitude of feeling that we are lucky enough to have jack anyway so lets just not ruffle feathers, take him at 3 and toumpas at 4.

Now that approach would net us 2 'top 5' picks.

Which approach would collingwood or essendon take in that situation?

[Goodvibes 3,596]

I raised this idea two months ago and prefaced it by stating that it was leftfield and fanciful and I only did so in the context of thread about draft tampering more as joke than anything serious.

Jack will be playing for Melbourne next year. The question is whether it is at the expense of pick 3 or our second rounder.

Edited July 2, 2012 by Goodvibes

[Fitz Fitzpatrick 886]

I do see some of the posters points of view that holding viney off wouldnt work. I think it might but i dont disagree entirely with some of the other opinions.

What i strongly disagree with is this idea of just taking whats due to us. its so soft and lacks fighting spirit and desire to do whatever it takes to be the very best.

[McQueen 17,867]

Would not portray a good image for the club.

What was it all about?? Integrity or something....?