Jump to content

When is the board going to act?


Guest Jackie

Recommended Posts

Looking any further than the players for the major cause of our dilemma is a massive cop out.

Looking at different games plans from last century of football, they all have one element in common. To be successful you have to care enough about your club and team-mates to go in hard and play with passion and drive.

The only people that can turn this around is the people who can actually put their foot on the leather and thats the players.

So, correct me if I am wrong in my interpretation of your post, but is what you are saying mean that you believe that the players have acted unilaterally, without an apparent cause and simply decided they won't have a go anymore? This list is not much different to the last 2 years, and while we were not living up to our KPI's then, they were nowhere near as bad as they are now.

So you are saying, there is nothing else that has affected the performance of the playing group, other than their own attitudes and lack of ability?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So, correct me if I am wrong in my interpretation of your post, but is what you are saying mean that you believe that the players have acted unilaterally, without an apparent cause and simply decided they won't have a go anymore? This list is not much different to the last 2 years, and while we were not living up to our KPI's then, they were nowhere near as bad as they are now.

So you are saying, there is nothing else that has affected the performance of the playing group, other than their own attitudes and lack of ability?

It goes much deeper than that.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

What is the truth ? Is it the same truth as last year ? Poor midfield ...Poor leadership...Lack of skill and instantaneous confident play ? A failure to adhere to instruction ? A festering cancer within player ranks ? Overrated midfield downhill skier ? No star players ? Failure to adhere to instruction ?

Or all of the above ?

If they are as transparent like this there will be more questions.

The club needs our support, it's hard but IMO its a non negotiable.

Agreed support now is paramount. The truth I am requesting is about what happened last year at 186. It obviously hasnt been resolved and it continues to affect performances andis hurting the club . So I am requesting a full and frank statement of facts no matter how bad.Its about leadership.Common Don have a say get it out heal the club and move on positively. Hiding and leaving everybody making their own scenarios wont do it. Make a statement please.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So, correct me if I am wrong in my interpretation of your post, but is what you are saying mean that you believe that the players have acted unilaterally, without an apparent cause and simply decided they won't have a go anymore? This list is not much different to the last 2 years, and while we were not living up to our KPI's then, they were nowhere near as bad as they are now.

So you are saying, there is nothing else that has affected the performance of the playing group, other than their own attitudes and lack of ability?

2 years ago senior players had more respect, and saw potential of making final appearances. these players now have lost there captaincy, can now see they wont get a premiership at the MFC and just dont care anymore. They cant see anything worth gaining by having a dip.

It has been a domino effect, the first peice to fall was having no defensive gameplan, from there the other dominoes began to fall.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 years ago senior players had more respect, and saw potential of making final appearances. these players now have lost there captaincy, can now see they wont get a premiership at the MFC and just dont care anymore. They cant see anything worth gaining by having a dip.

It has been a domino effect, the first peice to fall was having no defensive gameplan, from there the other dominoes began to fall.

Now you are getting warmer...
Link to comment
Share on other sites

All of the above? And no doubt the organisation is the polar opposite according to all the apologists around here. The fearless heroic administration battling against the lazy gutless players.

So those who are lazy and gutless, as you so eloquently put it - stop playing them, it's the FD that need to act and be ruthless. The Boards job isn't to select the players each week. Neeld and co must back up their intentions as communicated when they took the reins.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Playin for a football club with no chance of getting a premiership would be liek going to university with no hope of getting a job after it. You wouldn't care what your uni results are or even try to get good marks.

The issue is thats the mindframe our senior players have.

The younger players due to this have no guys to look up to so are struggling.

Personally i think if the senior players are cleaned out (Maybe keep Rivers) then the younger guys will stand up on there own feet a bit more and try to take control of the situation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Jackie

So those who are lazy and gutless, as you so eloquently put it - stop playing them, it's the FD that need to act and be ruthless. The Boards job isn't to select the players each week. Neeld and co must back up their intentions as communicated when they took the reins.

Ok, so should we expect a mass cull this week?

Link to comment
Share on other sites


...............The Boards job isn't to select the players each week. Neeld and co must back up their intentions as communicated when they took the reins.

That's 100% correct HT, but it doesn't just stop there. The "sum of the parts" is what impacts on any football club. A last quarter fade out as occurred with the Roos on the weekend would support your argument. A couple of good wins, which subsequently saw the playing group get too comfortable in its own skin, a la Carlton would also lend weight to your argument, but anyone who believes that our problems don't go a lot deeper into the culture of this club, is living in cloud cuckoo land.

I fear that the likes of Wilson, Sheehan, Robinson et al, will write a story over the coming week, predicated on a so-called "credible source" from within the club, which lays bare the trouble. If that occurs, before the club says anything to us (the shareholders) then it will make our situation even worse. Such "prophecies" despite their efficacy or lack of it, have a tendency of becoming self-fulfilling.

Edited by iv'a worn smith
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Playin for a football club with no chance of getting a premiership would be liek going to university with no hope of getting a job after it. You wouldn't care what your uni results are or even try to get good marks.

The issue is thats the mindframe our senior players have.

The younger players due to this have no guys to look up to so are struggling.

Personally i think if the senior players are cleaned out (Maybe keep Rivers) then the younger guys will stand up on there own feet a bit more and try to take control of the situation.

Why would the club want to come out and tell the supporters that this is the issue? It would only cause more hate on the players and if anything have more of a negative impact. It will even give the younger players a glimpse of what to expect from MFC supports when they get older and if they stay loyal.

Nothing to be gained

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So, correct me if I am wrong in my interpretation of your post, but is what you are saying mean that you believe that the players have acted unilaterally, without an apparent cause and simply decided they won't have a go anymore? This list is not much different to the last 2 years, and while we were not living up to our KPI's then, they were nowhere near as bad as they are now.

So you are saying, there is nothing else that has affected the performance of the playing group, other than their own attitudes and lack of ability?

Not saying that at all. Look at the Pies last year - a year of malthouse/buckley goings on. Yet the players still had enough pride in their performance to ignore all the crap. Whilst they say without a united front you cannot reach the ultimate goal, the players are ultimately the guys who chase the footy. CS and MN cant kick the footy for the players.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 years ago senior players had more respect, and saw potential of making final appearances. these players now have lost there captaincy, can now see they wont get a premiership at the MFC and just dont care anymore. They cant see anything worth gaining by having a dip.

I'm sure their opinion will change once the paychecks stop arriving, which is a very likely situation for a number of them at year’s end.

I wouldn't think a number of media opportunities would present themselves for players that are no longer respected in their industry.

And as for financial contacts met within the MFC, unlikely to be presented to players who don't give a toss about the club.

These players are doing more damage to themselves than just destroying their reputation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ok, so should we expect a mass cull this week?

I wouldn't know but that said I'd be right on selective and make a statement for those who you eloquently describe.

If anyone is to "make a statement", let it be made at the selection table.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Agreed support now is paramount. The truth I am requesting is about what happened last year at 186. It obviously hasnt been resolved and it continues to affect performances andis hurting the club . So I am requesting a full and frank statement of facts no matter how bad.Its about leadership.Common Don have a say get it out heal the club and move on positively. Hiding and leaving everybody making their own scenarios wont do it. Make a statement please.

It was swept under the carpet at the AGM and needs to be addressed. A lot like to call players gutless so how about this from the President and CEO get some spine and address the issues that are obviously still at the club. What happened in 2011 is carried through to this season.

I was so positive about the future after 2010, we should be sitting with Adelaide and Essendon, one year ahead of the Tiges but look where we are.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not saying that at all. Look at the Pies last year - a year of malthouse/buckley goings on. Yet the players still had enough pride in their performance to ignore all the crap. Whilst they say without a united front you cannot reach the ultimate goal, the players are ultimately the guys who chase the footy. CS and MN cant kick the footy for the players.

Once again, it seems to me that your saying this crisis is all down to the players. You state the obvious in what you say. However, what I am seeking is the cause. If you are correct, then we stand out like a boil on a white arse, in comparison to the rest of the competition.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

"Expect to see the start of some off-field changes at Melbourne this week.

I have it on reliable information that a 42-year-old, self-made, semi-retired multi-millionaire from down Geelong way has already been approached about taking over as CEO."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/blogs/harden-up/and-the-winner-errr-loser-iswell-im-not-too-sure-20120521-1z07v.html#ixzz1vTN0d8PR

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Once again, it seems to me that your saying this crisis is all down to the players. You state the obvious in what you say. However, what I am seeking is the cause. If you are correct, then we stand out like a boil on a white arse, in comparison to the rest of the competition.

Iva the cause is that the MFC Board gave strict instructions to the FD to not put certain players in the leadership group under any circumstance. Following the divisions caused by the Schwab/FD situation last year.

Amazing how these same players can accept a 2012 pay cheque.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Once again, it seems to me that your saying this crisis is all down to the players. You state the obvious in what you say. However, what I am seeking is the cause. If you are correct, then we stand out like a boil on a white arse, in comparison to the rest of the competition.

I am sure it is more far reaching than the players but to repeat myself the players are professionally paid athletes and need to stand up.

Do we believe that changing boards/admins/coaches etc will see a change in fortunes ? if this is the case then our players are even weaker than i thought

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Jackie

I wouldn't know but that said I'd be right on selective and make a statement for those who you eloquently describe.

If anyone is to "make a statement", let it be made at the selection table.

.

Somehow I doubt it. One or two might be dropped along with a couple of weekly rotating door types. Same old, same old.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am sure it is more far reaching than the players but to repeat myself the players are professionally paid athletes and need to stand up.

Do we believe that changing boards/admins/coaches etc will see a change in fortunes ? if this is the case then our players are even weaker than i thought

No, I don't believe that for a minute. I just believe we need to identify the root cause of this mess and deal with it asap. Again, this debacle goes beyond simply pointing the finger at the playing group.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest Jackie

Iva the cause is that the MFC Board gave strict instructions to the FD to not put certain players in the leadership group under any circumstance. Following the divisions caused by the Schwab/FD situation last year.

Amazing how these same players can accept a 2012 pay cheque.

We were told players were selected for leadership on their merits and that all medling into FD issues has stopped. Looking further back it seems that players that had had concerns with admin and above have had their careers terminated or stalled. Smells like sick power tripping going on here.

Edited by Jackie
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Iva the cause is that the MFC Board gave strict instructions to the FD to not put certain players in the leadership group under any circumstance. Following the divisions caused by the Schwab/FD situation last year.

Amazing how these same players can accept a 2012 pay cheque.

That makes a lot of sense.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    LIVE AND LET DIE by Meggs

    The Demons’ impressive late season charge to finals will most likely come unstuck this Saturday evening when the Bombers blow up the also-ran Blues in the Ikon Park double-header.   To mangle McCartney, what does it matter to ya? To have any chance to play next week Narrm has got a job to do and needs to do it well.  We’ve got to give the Pie sheilas hell, say live and let die! It’s Indigenous Round for this game and the chance to celebrate and engage with Aboriginal and Torres

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    AFLW Melbourne Demons

    2024 Player Reviews: #32 Tom Sparrow

    Had to shoulder more responsibility as the club’s injury concerns deepened but needs to step up more as he closes in on 100 games. Date of Birth: 31 May 2000 Height: 186cm Games MFC 2024: 21 Career Total: 95 Goals MFC 2024: 6 Career Total: 34 Games CDFC: 1 Goals CDFL: 0

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 18

    2024 Player Reviews: #35 Harry Petty

    Failed to fulfill the promise of his breakout six goal effort against the Tigers in 2023 and was generally disappointing as a key forward. It remains to be seen whether Simon Goodwin will persevere with him in attack or return him to the backline where he was an important cog in the club’s 2021 premiership success. Date of Birth: 12 November 1999 Height: 197cm Games MFC 2024: 20 Career Total: 82 Goals MFC 2024: 9 Career Total: 28 Brownlow Medal Votes 3

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 14

    2024 Player Reviews: #22 Blake Howes

    After a bright start to the season, playing mostly in defence, Howes seemed to lose his way in midseason but fought back with some good performances at Casey and finished the year back at AFL level. One to watch in 2024. Date of Birth: 7 March 2003 Height: 191cm Games MFC 2024: 15 Career Total:  15 Goals MFC 2024: 0 Career Total:  0 Games CDFC 2024: 6 Goals CDFC 2024: 0

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #33 Tom Fullarton

    Originally an NBL basketballer with the Brisbane Bullets, he moved across town in 2019 to the AFL Lions where he played 19 games before crossing to Melbourne where he was expected to fill a role as a back up ruckman/key forward. Unfortunately, didn’t quite get there although he did finish equal sixth in Casey’s best and fairest award. Date of Birth: 23 February 1999 Height: 198cm Games CDFC: 14 Goals CDFL: 13

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #10 Angus Brayshaw

    Sadly, had to wrap up a great career in midstream on the back of multiple concussions which culminated in the Maynard hit in the 2023 Qualifying Final. His loss to the club was inestimable over and above his on field talent given his character and leadership qualities, all of which have been sorely missed. Date of Birth: 9 January 1996 Height: 188cm Games MFC 2024: 0 Career Total: 167 Goals MFC 2024: 0 Career Total: 49

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 8

    2024 Player Reviews: #40 Taj Woewodin

    The son of former Demon Brownlow Medalist Shane, Taj added a further 16 games to his overall tally of games but a number were as substitute. He is slowly fitting into the team structure but without doing anything spectacular and needs to take further steps forward in 2025 for his career to progress. Date of Birth: 26 March 2003 Height: 182cm Games MFC 2024: 16 Career Total: 20 Goals MFC 2024: 1 Career Total: 3 Games CDFC 2024: 6 Goals CDFC 2024: 1

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 5

    2024 Player Reviews: #16 Bailey Laurie

    The clever small was unable to cement a place in the Melbourne midfield and spent most of his time this year with the Casey Demons where he finished equal fourth in its best & fairest. Date of Birth: 24 March 2002 Height: 179cm Games MFC 2024: 6 Career Total: 11 Goals MFC 2024: 2 Career Total: 2 Games CDFC 2024: 12 Goals CDFC 2024: 7

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 24

    2024 Player Reviews: #17 Jake Bowey

    Bowey’s season was curtailed early when he sustained a shoulder injury that required surgery in the opening game against Sydney. As a consequence, he was never able to perform consistently or at anywhere near his previous levels.  Date of Birth: 12 September 2002 Height: 175cm Games MFC 2024: 14 Career Total: 61 Goals MFC 2024: 0 Career Total: 6

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 7
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...