Mark Neeld prepared to sack melbourne players

[Nasher 33,607]

Did anyone read in todays herald sun (sat 17/3 ) that Mark Neeld puts all melbouren players on notice

if they dont preform well or dont have a good attitude they will be sacked and dropped from the vfl.

Neeld has given brett Lovett the authority to do as he pleases with the melbourne players even have them play

in the vfl reserves .

S----t will we have a team to field come round one against the brisbane lions

Being "sacked" and "dropped to the VFL" are not even remotely the same thing. Given that I highly doubt he has any intention of "sacking" anyone then this headline is more than a little sensationalist.

Basically this boils down to "I'll drop players who aren't performing". Whoop-de-doo, I wouldn't expect any less.

[Face Your Demons 175]

I like the fact that they are not even quaranteed a VFL game this year.

[deemad 2]

I have found the article and these are not my words written by Sam Landsberger Saturday 17/3 page 40 under Footy Shorts

Heading THREAT TO DEMONS

MELBOURNE coach Mark Neeld has put his players on notice, declaring if they underperform they could face the sack from VFL affiliate Casey scorpions.

Casey coach Brett Lovett said he had been given the power from Neeld to drop AFL-listed players to the VFL reserves.

Most AFL clubs force affiliates to field most of their primary-listed players in the senior VFL side to enhance development, often limiting the team's chances.

But in a boost to Casey , Lovett will yield nearly full control at his selection table.

"(Neeld) said to the Melbourne guys if they're not performing or their attitude is not good , they won't be playing VFL level, " Lovett said .

Lovett confirmed rookies James Magner and Tom Couch were both in contention to win promotion before Round 1 with a place on the senoir list available .

Make of it as you will but i think its a season of make or break for some of our players , as Neeld knows what he wants in his AFL players to go with his style and game plan .

[Pennant St Dee 13,118]

PSD I not being smart but I would like to know who you think " the core nucleues of our solid group of senior players" will be?

Frawley, Grimes, Trengove, Jones, Howe, Clark & Bartram despite what people think of him. On top of that we will have Martin, Mckenzie, Blease who will progress IMO and other we will pick up along the way

[old55 23,395]

But in a boost to Casey , Lovett will yield nearly full control at his selection table.

In the context of that article surely he means "wield" and not "yield" - that'd be one of many reasons I don't pay for hard or soft copy H-S content

[old dee 23,781]

Frawley, Grimes, Trengove, Jones, Howe, Clark & Bartram despite what people think of him. On top of that we will have Martin, Mckenzie, Blease who will progress IMO and other we will pick up along the way

PSD I guess it depends on your idea of what constitutes a senior player.

IMO it is 25+ years old, from your list we have quite a wait till your list reaches 25 let alone exceeds that age.

Frawley 23 not 25 till after the end of the 2013 season

Grimes 23 " 25 till mid 2014

Trengove 21 " 25 " late 2016

Jones 24 " 25 till early 2013

Howe 22 " 25 till mid 2015

Clark 24 " 25 till the end of 2012

Bartram 24 not 25 till early 2013

As you can see none of these players will turn 25 for some time.

Only Clark will be this year and it is effectively after the season.

That is what I see as the problem we will have very few good senior players for another 3 seasons unless we import some.

IMO there lies the problem.

Edited March 19, 2012 by old dee

[bing181 9,193]

All that article says is that Melbourne players shouldn't automatically expect to play in Casey firsts if they're not performing, and Lovett will have final say.

Typical Demonland beat-up about nothing.

(Ref. Nasher's post above).

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Being "sacked" and "dropped to the VFL" are not even remotely the same thing. Given that I highly doubt he has any intention of "sacking" anyone then this headline is more than a little sensationalist.

Basically this boils down to "I'll drop players who aren't performing". Whoop-de-doo, I wouldn't expect any less.

Exactly.

Another sloppy piece from the Hun.

A huge so what piece. And Neeld cant "sack" players.....period. The Matthew Capuano affair from some years back makes the "sacking" of an AFL footballer harder than sacking an unperforming employee.

[old dee 23,781]

Exactly.

Another sloppy piece from the Hun.

A huge so what piece. And Neeld cant "sack" players.....period. The Matthew Capuano affair from some years back makes the "sacking" of an AFL footballer harder than sacking an unperforming employee.

RR I think you are correct in your assesment.

However he could have a player banished to the Casey Seconds for the year.

While that would not be techincally sacking him the effect would be the same.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

RR I think you are correct in your assesment.

However he could have a player banished to the Casey Seconds for the year.

While that would not be techincally sacking him the effect would be the same.

It isnt old dee.

But if he did do that, I would seriously question why the need to humiliate a player if he is not performing.There are smarter ways of reprimanding a player. Send him to Casey 1s and keep him there and if he does not correct weaknesses then trade/delist him at years end.

[old dee 23,781]

It isnt old dee.

But if he did do that, I would seriously question why the need to humiliate a player if he is not performing.There are smarter ways of reprimanding a player. Send him to Casey 1s and keep him there and if he does not correct weaknesses then trade/delist him at years end.

I know RR it is just an arguement over small points.

I could see Davey playing a lot of games at Casey this year

Edited March 19, 2012 by old dee

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Agree OD. And he may not be alone from the over 23s.

[old dee 23,781]

Agree OD. And he may not be alone from the over 23s.

Casey might go a lot better than I thought this year!

[nutbean 8,838]

The word "Sacked" has been used to sell copy.

Here is the crux of the story

"Casey coach Brett Lovett said he had been given the power from Neeld to drop AFL-listed players to the VFL reserves.

Most AFL clubs force affiliates to field most of their primary-listed players in the senior VFL side to enhance development, often limiting the team's chances."

So basically if you dont play well enough in the VFL seniors you play in the seconds - didnt that happen to Lucas Cook last year ? where's the story ?

[beelzebub 23,313]

It very basically sends the message...."dont fall under the yellow line, as I can gaurantee when youd ever see daylight again !! "

Nothing wrong with that in my book. Should be standard procedure anyway.

An old adage goes along the lines that you really dont know what hunger is until you starve.. Time for a few players to get to know the meaning of hunger.

[dpositive 1,663]

I have found the article and these are not my words written by Sam Landsberger Saturday 17/3 page 40 under Footy Shorts

Heading THREAT TO DEMONS

MELBOURNE coach Mark Neeld has put his players on notice, declaring if they underperform they could face the sack from VFL affiliate Casey scorpions.

Casey coach Brett Lovett said he had been given the power from Neeld to drop AFL-listed players to the VFL reserves.

Most AFL clubs force affiliates to field most of their primary-listed players in the senior VFL side to enhance development, often limiting the team's chances.

But in a boost to Casey , Lovett will yield nearly full control at his selection table.

"(Neeld) said to the Melbourne guys if they're not performing or their attitude is not good , they won't be playing VFL level, " Lovett said .

Lovett confirmed rookies James Magner and Tom Couch were both in contention to win promotion before Round 1 with a place on the senoir list available .

Make of it as you will but i think its a season of make or break for some of our players , as Neeld knows what he wants in his AFL players to go with his style and game plan .

SO its not Neelds decision but Lovetts????

[bing181 9,193]

I know RR it is just an arguement over small points.

I could see Davey playing a lot of games at Casey this year

From reports I've read, including from Port supporters, Davey was one who gave at least an "honest" performance on the weekend.

Everyone reading too much into this, not even worth its own thread.

Cook played in Casey twos last year, as at various times did other Melbourne players - however, they were generally under an injury cloud, or coming back from injury.

[Guest oldman emubitter]

I know RR it is just an arguement over small points.

I could see Davey playing a lot of games at Casey this year

would be handy if col lived nearby, they could carpool

[old dee 23,781]

would be handy if col lived nearby, they could carpool

Can you still get EMU bitter?

[Pennant St Dee 13,118]

PSD I guess it depends on your idea of what constitutes a senior player.

IMO it is 25+ years old, from your list we have quite a wait till your list reaches 25 let alone exceeds that age.

Frawley 23 not 25 till after the end of the 2013 season

Grimes 23 " 25 till mid 2014

Trengove 21 " 25 " late 2016

Jones 24 " 25 till early 2013

Howe 22 " 25 till mid 2015

Clark 24 " 25 till the end of 2012

Bartram 24 not 25 till early 2013

As you can see none of these players will turn 25 for some time.

Only Clark will be this year and it is effectively after the season.

That is what I see as the problem we will have very few good senior players for another 3 seasons unless we import some.

IMO there lies the problem.

Some people can be senior players from the age of 21 like Carey, Judd and Jono Brown not that we have anyone like them on the list, but I think when you get around 23-27 having a good 100games under the belt you step up and will either be a senior player or just used to fill the gaps. I keep mixing up my posts on this thread and teh Where are we at thread but I am talking about these players starting to be the development of our nucleaus by the end of 2013 to 2014. I am very confident we will be in teh 8 by then.

It is from 2015 onwards we start looking top 4 and from there you need everything to fall into place. I know you think our list aint great but living in Perth I watch WAFL regulalry and have seen a lot of the development in players from both West Coast & Freo's list and believe me some of them who are now playing regulalry at these sides were not stand outs in the WAFL. Our big change will be in having a game plan which does make a huge difference don't underestimate it once the players learn it along with that the players I have put in the above list are honest players who will put their bodies on the line that will be part of the change in mindset and culture of teh list for years to come. Rome wasn't built in a day Old Dee!

"Tiocfadh Ar Lor"

[old dee 23,781]

Some people can be senior players from the age of 21 like Carey, Judd and Jono Brown not that we have anyone like them on the list, but I think when you get around 23-27 having a good 100games under the belt you step up and will either be a senior player or just used to fill the gaps. I keep mixing up my posts on this thread and teh Where are we at thread but I am talking about these players starting to be the development of our nucleaus by the end of 2013 to 2014. I am very confident we will be in teh 8 by then.

It is from 2015 onwards we start looking top 4 and from there you need everything to fall into place. I know you think our list aint great but living in Perth I watch WAFL regulalry and have seen a lot of the development in players from both West Coast & Freo's list and believe me some of them who are now playing regulalry at these sides were not stand outs in the WAFL. Our big change will be in having a game plan which does make a huge difference don't underestimate it once the players learn it along with that the players I have put in the above list are honest players who will put their bodies on the line that will be part of the change in mindset and culture of teh list for years to come. Rome wasn't built in a day Old Dee!

"Tiocfadh Ar Lor"

PSD I used to spent quite a bit of time in perth for my work going back a few years, enjoyed going to WAFL games.

I imagine watching those games would still be a lot of fun, who do you support?

I go to the amateurs a couple times a year over here, good fun as you are close to the action and they tend to play a more traditional type of football.

[Pennant St Dee 13,118]

PSD I used to spent quite a bit of time in perth for my work going back a few years, enjoyed going to WAFL games.

I imagine watching those games would still be a lot of fun, who do you support?

I go to the amateurs a couple times a year over here, good fun as you are close to the action and they tend to play a more traditional type of football.

Red & Blue Old Dee the Cardies or Falcons as they are called nowadays, when we came over from Ireland we were staying in Leederville and my father took me down to watch Claremont v West Perth the old boy decided he was a Claremont supporter so I went the other way. That Claremont side had some good players in it the Krakouer brothers, shorty Daniels, Graham Moss, Warren Ralph, Wayne Blackwell while we had Les Fong, Ross Gibbs (Bryce's father) the Duckworth boys to mention a few, teh good old Halcyon days of surburban footy

[old dee 23,781]

Red & Blue Old Dee the Cardies or Falcons as they are called nowadays, when we came over from Ireland we were staying in Leederville and my father took me down to watch Claremont v West Perth the old boy decided he was a Claremont supporter so I went the other way. That Claremont side had some good players in it the Krakouer brothers, shorty Daniels, Graham Moss, Warren Ralph, Wayne Blackwell while we had Les Fong, Ross Gibbs (Bryce's father) the Duckworth boys to mention a few, teh good old Halcyon days of surburban footy

They were the Cardies when I was over there, guess why I supported them?

May have been at some ofthe same games PSD

[bing181 9,193]

teh good old Halcyon days of surburban footy

I think many of us have those kinds of fond memories. I grew up in the country, parked the car on the boundary line each Saturday afternoon, the smell of linamenet in the rooms before the game, tea and cake at half time from the boot of the car, the inspiring speech at 3/4 time from the local butcher - also coach - etc. etc.

There's a link here of the NT grand final, really worth a look if you're into "local" leagues. Players of all shapes and sizes, just playing footy.

Re all this as well, I live OS, and to get a bit of a footy fix, watch a fair bit of the other AFL teams as well. Perhaps some around here could try the same, it helps get a bit more perspective and objectivity on our beloved MFC and our players.

[Steamin Demon 392]

would be handy if col lived nearby, they could carpool

As long as they don't forget to pick up Cale Morton. He might need to make his own way there though as the 2's kick off at 12.