Watts

Smokey - olddee's mate #7

Funny how everyone has dropped off Liam Jurrah for elite...

LJ - Aged 23 - 35 Games 81 goals - freakish talent with clear areas for improvement.

JW - Aged 21 - 40 games 33 goals - loads of upside...

yes, Jurrah kicks goals but i think people are excited about Jack for what he does around the ground, plays up the wings ect and will provide many goal assists which is the best thing imo

Frawley - an elite defender, maybe. Even the best full backs (Fletcher, Scarlett, etc) are never considered their side's best player.

Gysberts - He's not a great mark either.

Scarlett has often been considered Geelong's most important player, certainly within their footy club. If they picked a team of the AFL from the last 50 years he'd be a good chance to be named as FB. If that doesn't warrant elite status I don't know what does.

Best player is subjective and isn't static. Watts, Trengove, and Frawley are likely, but I agree with a few others that have mentioned Gysberts. Btw, his marking is fine.

Put a motor into LJ and his line breaking and delivery from the wings into a forward line would be mouth watering...

Funny how everyone has dropped off Liam Jurrah for elite...

LJ - Aged 23 - 35 Games 81 goals - freakish talent with clear areas for improvement.

JW - Aged 21 - 40 games 33 goals - loads of upside...

The main difference for mine is that Watts will be able to bring players up to another level by involving them in the game, where LJ does have that bit of independence (may not be the right word to describe it, but selfishness isn't it either!).

The hardest part about LJ is that the gap between is best and worst is quite wide at the moment, which doesn't make sense considering on a bad day he kicks 3! But it's not just about how many he kicks. I often compare him to Robbo, with the main different being that on LJ's bad days he still hits the scoreboard.

The Jurrah/Clark relationship will be one I will watch with great excitement this year. I want Jurrah knowing when Clark is about to fart, even before Clark knows himself. Clark will obviosuly be the main target, but if LJ can learn Clark's style, it should be another 50+ goals from LJ this year.

Stevie J at the Cats and Steve Milne at the Saints are elite. There is no reason LJ can't reach those heights...

Stevie J at the Cats and Steve Milne at the Saints are elite. There is no reason LJ can't reach those heights...

They are A grade

but not elite imo

Yes Milne is the best small forward ever going on goals per game or whatever

But when was he top 10 in the league?

depends on the definition of Elite

Tappscott with Nicho the smokey. Like his attitude when he made the ones.

Stevie J at the Cats and Steve Milne at the Saints are elite. There is no reason LJ can't reach those heights...

Agree Stevie J but Milne nowhere near elite IMO

Johnson - 175 games for 363 goals = 2.07 per game

Milne - 236 games for 490 goals = 2.07 per game

Jurrah - 35 Games for 81 goals = 2.3 per game

Johnson - 175 games for 363 goals = 2.07 per game

Milne - 236 games for 490 goals = 2.07 per game

Jurrah - 35 Games for 81 goals = 2.3 per game

Elite players in the comp are Judd, Abblett, Goodes, Swan etc

I dont like when people break down elite into sub catogories

Steve Johnson is elite. His effort in last years GF was staggering considering what happened the week before.

The other players mentioned above are not.

Elite players in the comp are Judd, Abblett, Goodes, Swan etc

I dont like when people break down elite into sub catogories

I don't agree that only the best midfielders are the elite.

Football requires a number of positions have great players in them, and the best backs and forwards are also "elite", even if the Brownlow and media etc miss them. I reckon All Aust defines you as elite as the position is taken into account.

Edited February 7, 201213 yr by PaulRB

Watts - he'll be close to the top of the AFL heap within 4 years.

Smokey ? Martin - came to footy late (18?), is a great athlete, improved out of sight last year and if he continues to trend upwards will be super valuable in terms of positional flexibility

Edited February 7, 201213 yr by binman

Frawley - an elite defender, maybe. Even the best full backs (Fletcher, Scarlett, etc) are never considered their side's best player.

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IIRC both Scarlett and Fletcher have won their respecive clubs B&F, and have been runner up more than once.

I reckon Howe would be worth a punt

Loads of raw undeveloped talent and a good attitude

It's got to be Trengove, surely.

BTW the way agree LJ could end up being, if not the best, in our top 2-3 within 3 years (so not a smokey). Really surprised how many posters seem to have dropped of him. Sure he needs to build his tank etc etc but he has so much x factor he could be a porn convention.

Added to that he hasn't come through a full on junior system or played in a one of the true AFL feeder comps (ie WAFL, SANFL, VFL) so doesn't have the advantage most other young AFL players do of 4-5 years access to top shelf fitness and conditioning systems. Lets see what another couple of years under MIsson's regime enables him to do fitness wise

Playing as a permanent forward his role is to kick goals and he does. Would be interested in a statistical comparison to the Whiz - i don't recall too many dees fans knocking him. Yes he's obviously alot taller than the Wiz but their role in the team is essentially the same

Edited February 7, 201213 yr by binman

I reckon Trengove or Watts or both.

Viney and LJ for smokey, if LJ can become consistent, look out.

BTW the way agree LJ could end up being, if not the best, in our top 2-3 within 3 years (so not a smokey). Really surprised how many posters seem to have dropped of him. Sure he needs to build his tank etc etc but he has so much x factor he could be a porn convention.

Added to that he hasn't come through a full on junior system or played in a one of the true AFL feeder comps (ie WAFL, SANFL, VFL) so doesn't have the advantage most other young AFL players do of 4-5 years access to top shelf fitness and conditioning systems. Lets see what another couple of years under MIsson's regime enables him to do fitness wise

Playing as a permanent forward his role is to kick goals and he does. Would be interested in a statistical comparison to the Whiz - i don't recall too many dees fans knocking him. Yes he's obviously alot taller than the Wiz but their role in the team is essentially the same

This is the interesting question binman, and one I have raised on a different thread and didn't receive an answer (not that I recall!). A majority on here are crying out for us to have a small, crumbing forward, but what is the definition of small? Is Jurrah that "small" forward, playing a similar role to The Wiz? As I said in my post earlier this thread, if Jurrah can learn how Clark rolls, and know it back to front, he may be that crumbing forward.

Agree with Frawley but the term ELITE means top few players in the league.

I couldnt name our last elite player......

Since when is that what elite means. The definition of elite is "The best or most skilled members of a group". How many other defenders in the league would you choose this season over Chip? I personally would have him above all others at present (on the basis that Fletcher and Scarlett are passed their prime) Frawley is an elite defender.

excellent topic

our best will be Watts

smokey for me is Bail

Jamar is an elite ruckman .

He definately plays small, but we know he has great hands

I think Jurrah will walk a bit smaller with Clark in the team...