WELCOME TO THE MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB - BILLY STRETCH

[TheoX 1,222]

C'mon, the guy was joking.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,088]

C'mon, the guy was joking.

Don't ruin it

[Machsy 2,858]

Funny joke.

*crickets*

[RalphiusMaximus 6,088]

What's funny is how many people seem to think it was serious.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

but the point is serious when discussing the SECOND round, is it not?

[RalphiusMaximus 6,088]

I'm fairly sure we'll be using our second round pick on him.

[rjay 25,088]

I'm fairly sure we'll be using our second round pick on him.

I think so.

[Earl Hood 6,101]

I think so.

But Is he worth pick 20?

[TheoX 1,222]

Saints will only bid their 2nd rounder if they genuinely believe he is the ~19th best player in the draft. I think we'll get him for a 3rd rounder.

[thevil1 421]

I'd take it one step further, saints would only nominate pick 19 if they had him ranked well higher than. Otherwise they risk missing out on an even better player as you never know who might slip out of the 1st round. So if they or anyone else don't really rate him as a top 15 certainty in this draft then we'll get him with our 3rd rounder imo.

[Moonshadow 17,677]

I'd take it one step further, saints would only nominate pick 19 if they had him ranked well higher than. Otherwise they risk missing out on an even better player as you never know who might slip out of the 1st round. So if they or anyone else don't really rate him as a top 15 certainty in this draft then we'll get him with our 3rd rounder imo.

Good point, that makes sense, given that F/S is done before trade week.

[rjay 25,088]

But Is he worth pick 20?

I think he is close 'Earl', the kid can play.

Like others I hope we can get him in the 3rd round but hope and reality can be very different things.

[KingDingAling 3,758]

But Is he worth pick 20?

I rate Stretch a top 10 pick.

IMO Stretch is a class above most these kids.

I'd have him only behind Ahern for class - and equal with Laverde.

Very skilled players all 3, safe kid on our hands here and one of the more underrated kids in this draft.

[dazzledavey36 55,330]

Been a ball winner in the Sanfl too. One game I think he had 26 djsposals and kicked 2 goals.

Good effort.

[ChaserJ 5,157]

But Is he worth pick 20?

If he wasn't father son eligible he'd likely be in the 15-25 range. if we get him in the third round, we're getting another bargain. If it costs a second rounder, it's about right.

[rpfc 28,777]

Saints will only bid their 2nd rounder if they genuinely believe he is the ~19th best player in the draft. I think we'll get him for a 3rd rounder.

Again, no, they will also bid if they think we will take him with our second rounder if pushed to.

We are a sucker and the even breaks won't start anytime soon...

[Cards13 9,117]

Again, no, they will also bid if they think we will take him with our second rounder if pushed to.

We are a sucker and the even breaks won't start anytime soon...

We can nominate him and not take cant we, ie if the saints say he is worth first pick (not happening) but we say nope he is not worth our first pick he will go to saints? So we might not take him if saints rate him at second rnd and we dont?

[rjay 25,088]

We can nominate him and not take cant we, ie if the saints say he is worth first pick (not happening) but we say nope he is not worth our first pick he will go to saints? So we might not take him if saints rate him at second rnd and we dont?

We will take him in the 2nd round.

[Jarka 767]

C'mon, the guy was joking.

But then I wouldn't have been able to post my awesome reply and get all those 'likes'

[Bay Riffin 1,479]

But then I wouldn't have been able to post my awesome reply and get all those 'likes'

if he isn't rated by most and say our recruiters as a top 20 pick, why would we take him with out second rounder which would be pick 20 or 21?

I'm reading he is one of the more outside players in the draft, and will take a 2 or 3 years to get a game. he is skinny and still under developed.

If someone nominates him, chances are there will be slider around pick 20 who might be better ?

[Cards13 9,117]

We will take him in the 2nd round.

But if we deem it paying overs for him, where ever the pick comes up, we don't have to draft him is that correct? He then goes to the club who said they would bid that pick on him,

[rjay 25,088]

But if we deem it paying overs for him, where ever the pick comes up, we don't have to draft him is that correct? He then goes to the club who said they would bid that pick on him,

Yep, that's right.

[Cheesecake 92]

Saints will only bid their 2nd rounder if they genuinely believe he is the ~19th best player in the draft. I think we'll get him for a 3rd rounder.

Again, no, they will also bid if they think we will take him with our second rounder if pushed to.

We are a sucker and the even breaks won't start anytime soon...

Let's take a trip in our time machines back to when we were having this exact conversation about the Viney FS pick. Many Demonlanders were spouting this same paranoid argument. Worrying that other teams were lining up to destroy our plans of getting him in the second round. That they were all prepared to forego their own needs and risk restricting their uber valuable first round pick to just one player, instead of having free reign to pick whoever the best player to fall to their pick was.

It makes no sense. Why would any team lock themselves into a borderline decision, take the risk of getting egg on their faces and facing a shitestorm of supporter anger, just to peeve another lowly team. They wouldn't. Hence, they didn't. (And please, let's not start on the rubbish rumours of secret deals to ensure we got him. Boulderdash.)

The reality is that no team will ever nominate a FS selection, unless they are >99% sure that absolutely no one else on their radar for that pick could possibly ever still be available, given every possible combination of draft orders. This effectively means that St Kilda won't nominate him unless they rank him significantly above the 19th best option.

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TheEvil1 has nailed it here. To think otherwise is to deny common sense and past experience.

I'd take it one step further, saints would only nominate pick 19 if they had him ranked well higher than. Otherwise they risk missing out on an even better player as you never know who might slip out of the 1st round. So if they or anyone else don't really rate him as a top 15 certainty in this draft then we'll get him with our 3rd rounder imo.

[Machsy 2,858]

For us to have to take at our 2nd round pick (let's say 21), it means another club has to risk having to use a pick earlier than that.

Someone must seriously rate him as 20 or earlier.

I just don't think it will happen.

I think he's a good player, but just not that good. Yet.

[bing181 9,328]

TheEvil1 has nailed it here. To think otherwise is to deny common sense and past experience.

Agree, and just worth emphasising the "past experience" bit. History shows that clubs have been more, not less conservative in nominating father/sons for the reasons outlined above.

There's no precedent for "they'll nominate him to force our hand" scenarios outlined here, and in spite of everything written, hard to see him as a first round pick, even late first round.