Cats are Gaaawn

[dee-luded 2,959]

CAtlist

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-geelong-cats?year=2010&sby=15

39 Milburn, Darren 277 33yr 5mth 15 Apr 1977 189cm 92kg Calder Cannons Defender

30 Scarlett, Matthew 245 31yr 3mth 5 Jun 1979 192cm 94kg Geelong Falcons Defender

21 Mooney, Cameron 212 30yr 11mth 26 Sep 1979 195cm 99kg Turvey Park Forward

6 Ottens, Brad 224 30yr 7mth 25 Jan 1980 202cm 108kg Glenelg Ruck

40 Wojcinski, David 176 30yr 18 Sep 1980 180cm 80kg Gippsland Power Defender

45 Ling, Cameron 224 29yr 6mth 27 Feb 1981 189cm 92kg Geelong Falcons Midfield

31 Podsiadly, James 18 29yr 10 Sep 1981 193cm 102kg Geelong Forward

44 Enright, Corey 198 29yr 14 Sep 1981 187cm 91kg Port Adelaide Defender

35 Chapman, Paul 198 28yr 10mth 5 Nov 1981179cm 88kg Calder Cannons Midfield Forward

33 Rooke, Max 135 28yr 9mth 19 Dec 1981189cm 93kg Casterton Forward

11 Corey, Joel 212 28yr 7mth 17 Feb 1982 191cm 89kg East Perth Midfield

8 Hunt, Josh146 28yr 6mth 14 Mar 1982 185cm 100kg Bendigo Pioneers Defender

They have to make a quick rebuild. I reckon that up to 8,,, could go.

They may be better to let Ablett go & get the trades, or they could be down for some time.

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

No doubt the window has been slammed shut. Some may say they have underachieved with just the 2 flags, but geez I`d take it thanku very much.

Chapman is so important to this team but just can`t stay fit in September. I wonder how much longer he will be at his best? Hawkins should be traded, he is useless. Hunt is another that looks very ordinary at times, would probably struggle to get a game in our backline. Pods might be a flash in the pan. Ablett is waxing his surfboard as I type. Mooney is no good.

I hope we play them at the G next year, the tide just might be turning.

[Nasher 33,607]

Hawkins should be traded, he is useless.

I can never help but laugh when people say things like this - "trade player x, he is useless". Yes, because other clubs will be just itching to bring in a player that is useless!

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

I can never help but laugh when people say things like this - "trade player x, he is useless". Yes, because other clubs will be just itching to bring in a player that is useless!

Allright, delist! Satisfied??

[SidVicious 130]

Bomber Thompson might be well advised to rethink his position on the Essendon job as well. The next few years aren't going to be easy for either club as the AFL concessions to the new franchises begin to bite. From hereon in it's not going to be easy for clubs to rebuild.

[Roost It 1,434]

No doubt the window has been slammed shut. Some may say they have underachieved with just the 2 flags, but geez I`d take it thanku very much.

Chapman is so important to this team but just can`t stay fit in September. I wonder how much longer he will be at his best? Hawkins should be traded, he is useless. Hunt is another that looks very ordinary at times, would probably struggle to get a game in our backline. Pods might be a flash in the pan. Ablett is waxing his surfboard as I type. Mooney is no good.

I hope we play them at the G next year, the tide just might be turning.

2 flags is never underachieving.

[Redleg 40,843]

CAtlist

 http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/tp-geelong-cats?year=2010&sby=15

 39 Milburn, Darren 277 33yr 5mth 15 Apr 1977 189cm 92kg Calder Cannons Defender  

 30 Scarlett, Matthew 245 31yr 3mth 5 Jun 1979 192cm 94kg Geelong Falcons Defender 

 21 Mooney, Cameron 212 30yr 11mth 26 Sep 1979 195cm 99kg Turvey Park Forward 

 6 Ottens, Brad 224 30yr 7mth 25 Jan 1980 202cm 108kg Glenelg Ruck  

 40 Wojcinski, David 176 30yr 18 Sep 1980 180cm 80kg Gippsland Power Defender 

 45 Ling, Cameron 224 29yr 6mth 27 Feb 1981 189cm 92kg Geelong Falcons Midfield 

 31 Podsiadly, James 18 29yr 10 Sep 1981 193cm 102kg Geelong Forward  

 44 Enright, Corey 198 29yr 14 Sep 1981 187cm 91kg Port Adelaide Defender 

 35 Chapman, Paul 198 28yr 10mth 5 Nov 1981179cm 88kg Calder Cannons Midfield Forward 

 33 Rooke, Max 135 28yr 9mth 19 Dec 1981189cm 93kg Casterton Forward 

 11 Corey, Joel 212 28yr 7mth 17 Feb 1982 191cm 89kg East Perth Midfield 

 8 Hunt, Josh146 28yr 6mth 14 Mar 1982 185cm 100kg Bendigo Pioneers Defender

They have to make a quick rebuild. I reckon that up to 8,,, could go.

They may be better to let Ablett go & get the trades, or they could be down for some time.

People react quickly to a bad defeat but remember they were preliminary finalists. However looking at the above list you are correct in that changes will be made. They have too many older players and actually have some talented youngsters who need the opportunity to get game time and add some pace into the side. Some of those listed will retire and some others like Gary will head elsewhere. They are a smart and well run club and they will still be thereabouts next year. They could have 3 picks in the top 30 with Gary leaving and a few trades could see them really load up on talent in the coming seasons. It's probably their wake up call that they are not top of the heap anymore.

[Whispering_Jack 29,805]

People react quickly to a bad defeat but remember they were preliminary finalists. However looking at the above list you are correct in that changes will be made. They have too many older players and actually have some talented youngsters who need the opportunity to get game time and add some pace into the side. Some of those listed will retire and some others like Gary will head elsewhere. They are a smart and well run club and they will still be thereabouts next year. They could have 3 picks in the top 30 with Gary leaving and a few trades could see them really load up on talent in the coming seasons. It's probably their wake up call that they are not top of the heap anymore.

Surely they wouldn't use their compensation picks in this draft!

[DeeSpencer 25,477]

Milburn, Darren - Andrew Mackie

Scarlett, Matthew - Jeremy Laidlaw

Mooney, Cameron - Mitch Brown

Ottens, Brad - Dawson Simpson

Wojcinski, David - Taylor Hunt

Ling, Cameron - Simon Hogan

Podsiadly, James - Tom Hawkins

Enright, Corey - Daniel Menzel

Chapman, Paul - Steven Motlop

Rooke, Max - didn't play anyway

Corey, Joel - Mitch Duncan

Hunt, Josh - who cares

Ablett, Gary - Big whole, but good picks if he goes

Personally if Gary leaves I'd try and implement these changes over the next 2 years. They will stay competitive in that time anyway. Some of these kids are a bit speculative but they will still develop in a good side and should come on quickly. Guys like Laidler, Menzel, Duncan and Hunt have shown they can play at AFL level already. In fact I think Geelong went in with a side that was too slow and at least T. Hunt should have been playing. Mackie and Hogan are experienced players.

The big question for Geelong is do you throw the coach out as well after next year. Bomber is looking tired and his philosophy and hand crafted side is looking out dated.

[old dee 23,781]

From my previous post on another thread.

Are we seeing the end of the Geelong Dynasty?

I think so, amazing how a year effects players quite a few are now looking a little slow.

I have thought the cracks were starting to appear this year and last night we saw the Grand Canyon!

If Gazza heads north they are gone.

He had 40 disposals last night, without him the margin would have been double.

I have watched the great white hope ( Hawkins )at Geelong the last two years.

Sorry to say he is at best an average player.

Just goes to prove a very good under age player and high draft pick ( I know he was farther and Son )

does not guarantee a very good senior player. 1 kick last night.

I have thought for some time he was being made to look better than he was by playing for Geelong.

Every week his return is modest in a team that gives its forward line a lot of well directed enteries.

Would be playing for Coburg if he was at Richmond!

I can feel a win at Geelong coming up in 2011!

They will be a good side next year still inside the eight but the flag is now a fading memory for Geelong.

[titan_uranus 24,975]

Ling was appalling. Podsiadly was once again exposed as the slow over-rated peddler that he is. Hawkins is terrible, always has been. Milburn's over the hill, Scarlett's getting close. Byrnes is untalented and the only goals he kicks are in the goalsquare. Mooney is the worst triple-premiership player I've ever seen.

If Ablett didn't play last night (what an absolute gun) they would have lost by another 6 goals. He was extraordinary.

[e25 5]

I can never help but laugh when people say things like this - "trade player x, he is useless". Yes, because other clubs will be just itching to bring in a player that is useless!

Tommy Hawkins I actually bump into quite a bit and I am sure he is still just a kid

mentally. When he matures he will be ok, cos he is a massive unit, but he doesn't yet have the self-assuredness he needs to compete at that level (AFL finals).

I mean, I try to look him in the eye when I speak to him and I'm sure I intimidate him, without meaning to.

He's a big unit, he'll just take a bit more time.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Surely they wouldn't use their compensation picks in this draft!

They can't, Jack, can they. I thought compensatory picks are to be taken down the track a year or two.

[e25 5]

They can, but they must use them after the first round if they use them this year or next, so as not to interfere with the building of the expansion teams.

[H_T 3,043]

Ling was appalling. Podsiadly was once again exposed as the slow over-rated peddler that he is. Hawkins is terrible, always has been. Milburn's over the hill, Scarlett's getting close. Byrnes is untalented and the only goals he kicks are in the goalsquare. Mooney is the worst triple-premiership player I've ever seen.

If Ablett didn't play last night (what an absolute gun) they would have lost by another 6 goals. He was extraordinary.

Disagree with your description of Pods. He took a few contested marks i50 yet kicked poorly at goal to finish off which was most unlike him based on what he has achieved this season ( ~50 goals in 18 games). Not many others took marks for the Cats or even presented for that matter i50 - unlike Pods on the few occassions.

Mooney was ordinary.

Ablett, wow. Unbelievable.

[titan_uranus 24,975]

Disagree with your description of Pods. He took a few contested marks i50 yet kicked poorly at goal to finish off which was most unlike him based on what he has achieved this season ( ~50 goals in 18 games). Not many others took marks for the Cats or even presented for that matter i50 - unlike Pods on the few occassions.

That was all in the second half. Junk time. Meaningless. When the game is there to be won, and the opposition is half-decent, Podisadly can't cut it. He dominates when he (and the team) beat up on lower-ranked sides, but he gets exposed for a lack of pace, no second efforts and poor ball-handling skills, especially below the knees, when the opposition is good.

[daisycutter 29,604]

Disagree with your description of Pods. He took a few contested marks i50 yet kicked poorly at goal to finish off which was most unlike him based on what he has achieved this season ( ~50 goals in 18 games). Not many others took marks for the Cats or even presented for that matter i50 - unlike Pods on the few occassions.

Mooney was ordinary.

Ablett, wow. Unbelievable.

Ablett was good, but his impact was quite average. He was always under huge pressure when he got possession and rarely was able to find open space. His 40 possessions probably over flatter him. He was by far Geelong's best player, but Coll would feel his impact was well contained.

[e25 5]

Ablett was good, but his impact was quite average. He was always under huge pressure when he got possession and rarely was able to find open space. His 40 possessions probably over flatter him. He was by far Geelong's best player, but Coll would feel his impact was well contained.

I'd say the lack of finding open space and the pressure he was under was a direct result of the ineptitude of his teammates.

No reflection on ablett at all.

[daisycutter 29,604]

I'd say the lack of finding open space and the pressure he was under was a direct result of the ineptitude of his teammates.

No reflection on ablett at all.

I never said it was a reflection on ablett

Probably a combination of his teammates ineptitude and the Filths ability to get numbers around the loose ball

Edited September 18, 2010 by daisycutter

[Deetective Sgt. Taggert 389]

I thought the cats were a rabble last night, and the Captain Ling's punch on Leigh Brown was a disgrace, even if it was soft hit, very poor leadership

[Seinfeld 40]

Due to the old age of most of its top line players Geelong will now end up in a downward spiral similar to Brisbanes after winning 3 premierships in 2001,2002,2003.

Brisbane made the grand final in 2004 and were thumped.....in 2005 they eneded up 11th......

Leigh Matthews says that the end came very quickly and i think it will for Geelong as well...

[Sir Why You Little 36,985]

Ablett was good, but his impact was quite average. He was always under huge pressure when he got possession and rarely was able to find open space. His 40 possessions probably over flatter him. He was by far Geelong's best player, but Coll would feel his impact was well contained.

Yes Ablett was great last night, But Collingwood allowed him to get the ball-when you look at his disposals they were kept to a minimum as far as damage goes. The Filth were extraodinary in the Corridor and at half back during the first half last night.

In the second half they were able to go back to 3rd gear..Ablett was great last night, but he was no Dane Swan. That guy was everywhere!!!

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

Anyone want to strike GAJ off the list?

[Redleg 40,843]

Surely they wouldn't use their compensation picks in this draft!

I said they "could load up on talent in the coming seasons".

[big tuna 0]

Ling was appalling. Podsiadly was once again exposed as the slow over-rated peddler that he is. Hawkins is terrible, always has been. Milburn's over the hill, Scarlett's getting close. Byrnes is untalented and the only goals he kicks are in the goalsquare. Mooney is the worst triple-premiership player I've ever seen.

If Ablett didn't play last night (what an absolute gun) they would have lost by another 6 goals. He was extraordinary.

Agree... Ling looks like the oldest 29 year old getting around. He will retain the captaincy next year but after that I think he will be a fringe player and will need to step aside.

When they removed Lonergan's kidney did they also remove his ability to spoil?