Dunn

[Guest Digga]

Dunn's stats: Season Average

Disposals: 12.5

Marks: 3.5

Goals: 0.8

One word: POOR.

Pick 15- 2004 draft.

[PeterJames 46]

I've been saying this for quite a while. Not a forward, can't tag a player. Not tough enough or smart enough for te midfield.

Maybe if rivers and frawley out he may survive and play down back, but it is almost a last resort.

[w00dy 146]

Dunn's stats: Season Average

Disposals: 12.5

Marks: 3.5

Goals: 0.8

One word: POOR.

Pick 15- 2004 draft.

But hasn't been given a chance to settle. He would've spent a fair wack of his time on ground tagging, so his posession rate was never going to be massive.

And one stat you left out.

Disposal Efficency: 82%

Not many in our team would be this high in this stat... Flash is only at 78%...

The whipping boy for many around here, but unjustified for mine...

[Hannabal 4]

Dunn must own some photos.

Then again, he averages more possessions than a player that a poster tonight said was one of our best performed.

WFM

[Neita3000 37]

I actually think he's been servicable the last couple of weeks. Sure he'll never be a top line player and most likely won't be our best 22 in a couple of years however at the moment he's holding his own, could be a very important depth player.

[rpfc 28,263]

But hasn't been given a chance to settle. He would've spent a fair wack of his time on ground tagging, so his posession rate was never going to be massive.

And one stat you left out.

Disposal Efficency: 82%

Not many in our team would be this high in this stat... Flash is only at 78%...

The whipping boy for many around here, but unjustified for mine...

Dunn - 79%

Davey - 86%

And Aaron actually tries some very difficult TJ type kicks through the guts, I don't remember too many from Dunn.

He's OK in all positions and excels in none of them.

Very difficult for him to get another contract, he's going to have to have a big second half of the year.

[FlowerPower 3]

I've been saying this for quite a while. Not a forward, can't tag a player. Not tough enough or smart enough for te midfield.

Maybe if rivers and frawley out he may survive and play down back, but it is almost a last resort.

I agree not tough enough, and in the pushing and shoving last weekend he was on his back like a mongrel dog, didnt want to get up

[Geddy Lee 582]

But hasn't been given a chance to settle. He would've spent a fair wack of his time on ground tagging, so his posession rate was never going to be massive.

And one stat you left out.

Disposal Efficency: 82%

Not many in our team would be this high in this stat... Flash is only at 78%...

The whipping boy for many around here, but unjustified for mine...

Flash is at 86% and by far the highest in the league. EDIT: As the poster above me already said.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

Dunn = trade bait at seasons end for mine. Haven't heard anything but I just think he may be one of those players they look to move on to further improve our position in the draft.

[waynewussell 5,369]

upside outweighs downside, which has been reported accurately here, so I will refer to upside...

Fast tall with stamina

Well built mobile

Good distance and efficiency when kicking into 50

Age

Versatile... tagger (smalls and mids) half forward, running half-back, third man up at clearances

Gets up oppositions nose!

[montasaurus 0]

upside outweighs downside, which has been reported accurately here, so I will refer to upside...

Fast tall with stamina

Well built mobile

Good distance and efficiency when kicking into 50

Age

Versatile... tagger (smalls and mids) half forward, running half-back, third man up at clearances

Gets up oppositions nose!

even if he is not in the best 22 next year, keeping him = depth.

Why delist or trade for almost nothing, better to keep IMO. players like strauss and blease + __09Draft__ will take 2-3yrs to come through.

[Demon_Tingles 211]

But hasn't been given a chance to settle. He would've spent a fair wack of his time on ground tagging, so his posession rate was never going to be massive.

And one stat you left out.

Disposal Efficency: 82%

Not many in our team would be this high in this stat... Flash is only at 78%...

The whipping boy for many around here, but unjustified for mine...

Yes but it's not hard to have a disposal effiency higher than Davey's when he gets half the posessions Davey has. That means Davey has 15 more chances to make a mistake. That is a useless stat.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

even if he is not in the best 22 next year, keeping him = depth.

Why delist or trade for almost nothing, better to keep IMO. players like strauss and blease + __09Draft__ will take 2-3yrs to come through.

If he is viewed as not competing for best 22 after 5 years on our list why do want to keep a player on that clogs the list?

He is not competing against Strauss and Blease and we clearly have more preferred options in the best 22.

If we do finish last with less than 4 wins, we have picks 1,2,18,34,50, 66/ PSD #1. If we take Spencer and say Valenti we still have picks 1,2, and 18 to come onto the list plus PSD1. Thats six players on our list that have to come off through retirement/trading/delisting.

Any thoughts how we achieve that while holding onto an NQR player who is not best 22 for "depth"?

[PeterJames 46]

If he is viewed as not competing for best 22 after 5 years on our list why do want to keep a player on that clogs the list?

He is not competing against Strauss and Blease and we clearly have more preferred options in the best 22.

If we do finish last with less than 4 wins, we have picks 1,2,18,34,50, 66/ PSD #1. If we take Spencer and say Valenti we still have picks 1,2, and 18 to come onto the list plus PSD1. Thats six players on our list that have to come off through retirement/trading/delisting.

Any thoughts how we achieve that while holding onto an NQR player who is not best 22 for "depth"?

Completely agree...

Some hard decisions will be made with one of Bate, Bell and dunn probably not being on our list next year.

[Roost It 1,434]

If he is viewed as not competing for best 22 after 5 years on our list why do want to keep a player on that clogs the list?

He is not competing against Strauss and Blease and we clearly have more preferred options in the best 22.

If we do finish last with less than 4 wins, we have picks 1,2,18,34,50, 66/ PSD #1. If we take Spencer and say Valenti we still have picks 1,2, and 18 to come onto the list plus PSD1. Thats six players on our list that have to come off through retirement/trading/delisting.

Any thoughts how we achieve that while holding onto an NQR player who is not best 22 for "depth"?

I'd cut Wheatley, Whelan, McDonald, Jamar, Bell and Robertson before Dunn. In saying this I would need to see continued improvement in his form for the remainder of the year. The pressure is mounting on him and Bate to deliver on their potential. We must remember they are still young.

[PeterJames 46]

I'd cut Wheatley, Whelan, McDonald, Jamar, Bell and Robertson before Dunn. In saying this I would need to see continued improvement in his form for the remainder of the year. The pressure is mounting on him and Bate to deliver on their potential. We must remember they are still young.

So you would cut our captain, our nuber one ruck and our number one forward before dunn!

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

So you would cut our captain, our nuber one ruck and our number one forward before dunn!

I dont think its a choice of Dunn vs the players you name.

I reckon Junior will retire at year end. He is struggling.

One of Jamar/ PJ/Meesen will go at year end. We dont have anyone good enough to hoist as a No 1 ruck.

If Robbo is fit and firing then I would probably extend his tenure.

Dunn is very much under the gun for next year. His position on the list is not dependent on the players above.

[The Emblem 1]

Dunn - 79%

Davey - 86%

IMO the disposal stats are inherently flawed.

A player can direct a pass that may hit its target but in the process put a teammate is such jeopardy that his block gets knocked clear out of the stadium gates, so that it bounces down the steps leading to Richmond station, rolls onto Brunton Avenue, bounces backwards off of a passing bus and rebounds slowly into the club shop.

The statistician will calmly lean forward and mark it down an effective disposal

[Guest Digga]

IMO the disposal stats are inherently flawed.

A player can direct a pass that may hit its target but in the process put a teammate is such jeopardy that his block gets knocked clear out of the stadium gates, so that it bounces down the steps leading to Richmond station, rolls onto Brunton Avenue, bounces backwards off of a passing bus and rebounds slowly into the club shop.

The statistician will calmly lean forward and mark it down an effective disposal

Wrong. It will only be marked down as effective if for example Davey kicks to Mclean and Mclean marks it or has complete control and possession of the ball.

[Demon Tragic 0]

I think Wheatley, Whelan & Bell have far more to be concerned about at the end of the year. They must get fit and firing before the season closes out. Robbo is important to have around for the development of the younger guys. Ditto for Jmac, he's been a servant of the club for so long and never stops working hard, when he says, I'm done, then let him go, until then, he has plenty to teach. Dunn could be a good depth player when we suffer from injuries.

[waynewussell 5,369]

I noticed McDonald's contribution the moment he returned to the team. To say he is struggling is is to recognise that he is working his way back into match fitness. McDonald has been written off at every stage of his now illustrious (at MFC) career. I've been on him all the way. I once argued that he should be in the leadership team after a training session at Trinity, when I believe Rivers was expressing that identical opinion to our current skipper. Not many other posters here could see it. I'm happy with my judgement, as I am confident that those who are currently expressing his imminent demise will be eating their words as he leads us up the ladder in 2010!

[MadAsHell 4,212]

I'd cut Wheatley, Whelan, McDonald, Jamar, Bell and Robertson before Dunn. In saying this I would need to see continued improvement in his form for the remainder of the year. The pressure is mounting on him and Bate to deliver on their potential. We must remember they are still young.

You'd cut Robertson before Dunn? I know Robbo's 30 but that's still the craziest thing I've ever heard!

[Rogue 585]

Wrong. It will only be marked down as effective if for example Davey kicks to Mclean and Mclean marks it or has complete control and possession of the ball.

That could have been the case in the scenario you're replying to.

You'd cut Robertson before Dunn? I know Robbo's 30 but that's still the craziest thing I've ever heard!

I can understand why people may not agree but it's not that crazy. Like you say, Robbo's getting on and might struggle to play another final with the Dees. I'm not convinced by Dunn though.

[montasaurus 0]

If he is viewed as not competing for best 22 after 5 years on our list why do want to keep a player on that clogs the list?

He is not competing against Strauss and Blease and we clearly have more preferred options in the best 22.

If we do finish last with less than 4 wins, we have picks 1,2,18,34,50, 66/ PSD #1. If we take Spencer and say Valenti we still have picks 1,2, and 18 to come onto the list plus PSD1. Thats six players on our list that have to come off through retirement/trading/delisting.

Any thoughts how we achieve that while holding onto an NQR player who is not best 22 for "depth"?

Dunn has more strings to his bow then valenti at this point who is a very honest footballer at best. I would like to see valenti play 10 snr games in the second half of the year before crossing dunns name out for valenti which is what would be the likely outcome if he was premoted at the end of the season. you would also have to agree that there are others that have been on the list as long or longer. I will admit i am a fan of Dunn's potential, body size, speed, engine etc. When is dunns contract due? Potential to go to GC17 at the end of 2010 if thats when the contract is due.

So another likely outcome thats 6mths away (long way to go yet) but........

1/Wheatly, Wheeland, possible JMac all retire. (2-3)

2/ Possible trade of a player with a pick for a better pick. Sometimes we have to give a bit to get a bit - maybe a jarred rivers as our tall stocks down back are looking good long term? Wouldn't be popular but from a list management point of view off loading a good player that is injury prone may not be the worst outcome. I hope not though. Same old names that always seem to come up - Silvia, Bate, Bell, etc could fall into this category as well. Depends what clubs might be interested in who.(1)

3/ if meesen, jamar, johnson are all kept is there any need to elevate spencer or can he stay for 1 more year as a rookie. if he is premoted one of the other 3 would be likely to go as trade. Can't see the logice in having 4 specialist snr rucks. There is always a market for establish rucks. (1)

4/ If the club decideds to elevate valenti then yes we are a bit top heavy in the mid but if he is not elevated there is another spot on the list (1)

Thats pretty the 5-6 we are after. In what is being described as an average draft by comparison to years gone by why would we even look at using the full picks we have even if rookies are not premoted?

Therefore why look at moving on a 23yr old forward that can do a job in the middle for us as well? I just can't see the logic at this point. Keeping in mind both strauss and blease are yet to play a snr game.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Dunn has more strings to his bow then valenti at this point who is a very honest footballer at best. I would like to see valenti play 10 snr games in the second half of the year before crossing dunns name out for valenti which is what would be the likely outcome if he was premoted at the end of the season. you would also have to agree that there are others that have been on the list as long or longer. I will admit i am a fan of Dunn's potential, body size, speed, engine etc. When is dunns contract due? Potential to go to GC17 at the end of 2010 if thats when the contract is due.

Its not a choice between Dunn and Valenti. There survival on the list or not is rather mutually exclusive. I am not a fan of Valenti's but he deserves a crack at AFL this year to see if he is good enough. He is either good enough and get a 2 year contract or he is off the rookie list.

1/Wheatly, Wheeland, possible JMac all retire. (2-3)

Agree. Suggest Wheatley will be a delist but I see 3 of the senior player lists not being there in 2010.

2/ Possible trade of a player with a pick for a better pick. Sometimes we have to give a bit to get a bit - maybe a jarred rivers as our tall stocks down back are looking good long term? Wouldn't be popular but from a list management point of view off loading a good player that is injury prone may not be the worst outcome. I hope not though. Same old names that always seem to come up - Silvia, Bate, Bell, etc could fall into this category as well. Depends what clubs might be interested in who.(1)

Dont bank a trade. If we are a bottom ranked side which players that are "surplus" to our needs are of value to opposition sides. CJ has as much trade value as any of the names you put up.

3/ if meesen, jamar, johnson are all kept is there any need to elevate spencer or can he stay for 1 more year as a rookie. if he is premoted one of the other 3 would be likely to go as trade. Can't see the logice in having 4 specialist snr rucks. There is always a market for establish rucks. (1)

One of Meesen Jamar or Johnson will go. None are good enough to justify an AFL spot as a ruckman. Had Meesen not broken down then IMO PJ was in the gun. And his performance in Perth alone is not enough to save him. If the injury to Meesen is that bad then MFC should pay him out. PJ/Jamar survives. We have Jamar, Spencer, Meesen on the injury list and you cant see the logic of having four ruckman on the list. Brilliant. Some clubs have up to six rucks on the list. While there is a market for established rucks there isnt for rucks that are bog ordinary and have injury concerns.

4/ If the club decideds to elevate valenti then yes we are a bit top heavy in the mid but if he is not elevated there is another spot on the list (1)

See above for Valenti. Spencer will be raised before Valenti. I expect they may trail McKenzie to see if he is worth it

Thats pretty the 5-6 we are after. In what is being described as an average draft by comparison to years gone by why would we even look at using the full picks we have even if rookies are not premoted?

Because we know that what we have in some cases is not good enough.

Therefore why look at moving on a 23yr old forward that can do a job in the middle for us as well? I just can't see the logic at this point. Keeping in mind both strauss and blease are yet to play a snr game.

Dunn does neither job. The footy department have worked that out. You have not. You comment on Strauss and BLease only highlights how much more difficult it will be for Dunn to crack a game.

So we have 3 retirements, delist a ruck, cut at least two of Bell, Dunn, Buckley, McNamara, . There is your six. Elevate Spencer makes it five. If we finish last on 4 wins then we get picks #1,2,18,34,50,66/PSD #1 (use for Spencer).

I would not turn your back on the draft at this point. I think there is a bit of dust to settle there.