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He has been beaten more this year than I can remember. Is it worth trialling swapping him with Petty for a few weeks to at least pump up Petty’s trade value a bit? He is far more confident as a defender and May played forward as a junior I think.

Dr Peter Brukner, a professor of sports medicine at La Trobe University who has been a club doctor for Collingwood and Melbourne, defended the Demons’ decision to allow Petracca to return to the field after his initial assessment. “Initially these things may not seem too bad because you often get bruised ribs -- that’s something some people can play with,” Brukner said. “He [Petracca] would be pushing: ‘Let me see how I go’ sort of thing. As I said, sometimes it takes a little bit of time for the breathing difficulties and the bleeding to manifest itself. It’s probably not that unusual that he went back on. But I think they quickly realised he wasn’t right. Then he started to complain about feeling worse, and they quickly went into action.” Brukner, who was at the game and spoke with Melbourne’s club doctors in the dressing room afterwards, said the Demons had done well to send Petracca to hospital as quickly as they had. “You can miss these and ignore them and just say, ‘He is in pain.’ But I think they did very well to get him off to hospital as quickly as they did,” Brukner said. “He would have had a tube inserted into his lung to expand the lung, and sedation and painkillers because the fractured ribs are very painful. And then they would just be observing the spleen side of things to make sure he was not continuing to bleed, which, in rare cases, they have to take the spleen out if that’s the only way to stop the bleeding. Usually, the bleeding just settles down by itself. “You can imagine, there is a cut on the spleen … and it just stops bleeding after a while. It just depends how severe that laceration was. A horrible injury.” (The Age, 11 June)

Maynard only goes hard when it on his terms. How many contested possessions for the hard man yesterday.

Throw back to the days of old when you could properly spread out!

There’s also the consideration that he knows clubs are trying to run him up the ground where he can be less influential as an interceptor, which without Lever to cover is amplified. So is he hesitant in thinking I know what they are trying to do, is this a position I need to run to?. Can my opponent hurt us if he marks the ball that high up the ground

Clearly neither coach agreed with you.

So I guess every player who cops a knock to the flank and is gasping needs to be subbed out immediately regardless of medical assessment? What a great opportunity for someone lowlife like 💩#4 early in a GF. Sub out a few key opposition players - don't even need to KO anyone now. He was assessed by the club doctor, and between him / her and Tracc they thought he was OK to continue. Reassessed and the story and plan changed, as it should have. The retrospectoscope has always been a wonderful medical implement. Plaintiff lawyers love it.

Votes look pretty fair to me. Gawn was easily our best and both coaches agreed. Well done to Nibs - his game was certainly vote worthy even if it was only from our coach. Fly was always going to vote for the bovver boy. Crisp, J Daicos and Howe were all very good.

There were not a few times at the centre bounce yesterday where it seemed our lads were ball watching while Cwood moved it out of the middle in breakneck time. We appeared to be chained to the ground while it happened too. I thought Max was great though. Without his ground efforts at some of the clearances the metris would have been so much worse. He really is a champion of the game and it's sad to see other senior players not give the same level of commitment he does. I hope he has another five years left in him but given the workload he already carries, I think it will be half that. Also, Im pretty sure now that the big man will play in another grand final./I'm Unlike us in 21 the pies just scraped through with a lot of luck and bluster( Maynard) and won a flag. We got smashed yesterday by a team that really isn't good and who had half a dozen of its good players out. In half a year we have gone from a team that dominated the pies in that final to a team that was a rabble yesterday. Despite Goody claims there were some improvements, there weren't. Our tackling or lack of it was atrocious and our midfielders are just too slow and consistently turning the ball over or delivering the ball i50s in the worst ways possible. Add in the least dynamic forward line and it's a snooze fest. Credit to Jvr for his efforts and accuracy. But Friitas decided to rest for the first three quarters and Petty the last three. What sort of chance do we have when we had just as many scoring shots as the opposition but kick so many goals less. And sadly this wonton goal kicking inaccuracy has been going on now for three years. Good grief. We were not only lacking physicality yesterday but mental toughness as well. With a fwd line that struggles so much we make it even harder but not being psychologically strong enough to put the pill through the long sticks. I hope Tracca isn't out for to long because we are so poor that I think his absence will see losses to even teams like North. Oliver should not really be playing but Sparrow isn't any different. I hope Kynan Brown gets a look in and when Tracca comes back than Sparrow goes to Casey. 14 disposals a game from Sparrow year in and out is not up to scratch. I seriously wonder if his fitness is an issue. How does a player like him yesterday explain getting eight of his total fourteen disposals in the first quarter and then totally fade away. When Oliver wasn't playing last year JV really stepped up and went to another level. Sadly that has stopped but hopefully Traccas absence is a chance for Sparrow to step up. If he fails in this time then, I hope he gets dropped once Tracc is back. And perhaps the club should reassess his tenure at the end of the year .

Known him a while and hardness is just in his makeup

But why though? What has changed since the beginning of the year, when the team looked full of zip, energy and fun?

You think.they oughta get a free pass? Something people may wish to ponder. You can change the ingredients ...indeed the recipe but if the cooks are the same cooks youll only get the same treatment and effectively same style of offerings. Need to change the cooks ;) Nothing really will change otherwise.

I only watched 2-3 minutes of Goody’s presser last night. 100% delusional

Great analysis In a nutshell ... many teams better at getting the benefit of Max's efforts.....than we are. Take a bow Melbourne

Now with Trac out, give the Kolt a go, he has the X factor, let him run in the guts.

We haven’t been good this year, apart from the Adelaide Sojourn. The Forward Connection continues to Haunt us for 3 years now, what makes you think Goodwin is going to fix the problem, if he hasn’t done it already? I am not crucifying the Coach, but i cannot believe we still have the same gaping problem we had 3 years ago. Where are the “Learnings”? Or is, what is being coached just plain wrong. What concerns me most is that Goodwin sticks around until we hit Rock Bottom and then walks. I would rather salvage the list now.

Phew! All the pop ups! Feel like buying a Hyndai

There is value, in that it makes supporters feel like they’re not going insane. The delusional, cliche-ridden nonsense that Goodwin coughed up at the presser provided much less “value” than the truth-bombs Schwarz was dropping.

Yep.

If we are playing differently, then isnt comparison to previous seasons not very valuable? The numbers on their own are woeful. I dont have any clue how they are trying to play- nor do most of the team going on what i saw….

Kreuger and Frampton aren’t much although they do have real size and athleticism. Hill and WHE were a big point of difference in genuine pace and Schulz, McCreery and Harrison are very solid role players. But you’re right the far bigger gap in performance was their VFL midfield smacking around our so called A graders and just their overall run, spread and skill level. You could tell in the warm up that they are much faster and sharper than we were. If you measured the speed of the kicks in a simple warm up drill there’s were faster than ours by a good 50%.

Cheers for link Schwarta nails it... lots of home truths in there. More than a few need rockets ;) ;)

Time to release the kolt! Get well soon, CP5

Is our forwardline great? No. Is it the reason we are losing? No. Who the hell was playing in Collingwood's forwardline yesterday? Absolute nobodies, that's who. Still managed to pile on 14 goals.

How much worse does it need to get for Goodwin to go? I'd say quite a lot. He's a premiership Coach, which buys you a lot of time. He also has the context of this season on his side. Only the Swans and Roos have been consistent this season, everyone else has had wobbles. Based on how we played earlier in the season, I think it can get a lot better. The Freo game was awful, but we showed a lot more fight yesterday and it was really poor disposal that let us down.