Changes vs Carlton

[spirit of norm smith 16,441]

I thought Kennedy would get the call if Garlett was out. Strange to ignore him as the small forward option. Though happy to see ANB back.

Harmes to work on disposal efficiency. Salem provides better ball use albeit may still be only 90% fit.

Pedersen very unlucky. But Hogan with Weed are the future.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

15 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

If he is the answer, then what the hell is the question?

"Who's first pick in your beach volleyball team?"

[Satyriconhome 10,857]

2 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

He hasnt brought ball to ground or created opportunities for other players on a reg basis for a quite a while now Saty nor is he very accurate of late. Goes the accuracy goes the General form. Just ask Cloke.

His competing for the ball created Kent's goal last weekend   just for starters   but whatever

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

His competing for the ball created Kent's goal last weekend   just for starters   but whatever

Hope you're okay Sat-man.

Must be pretty rough for you. X

[Nasher 33,613]

On 8/18/2016 at 10:39 AM, Nasher said:

I totally agree that [Harmes] needs to clean up those errors, no disputing that. I just don't agree that he's anywhere near the fringe of our side, and his standing in our side supports that, but his name comes up in these discussions every week. 

I am on a losing streak in this thread. 

[Nasher 33,613]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

A couple of days ago Nasher was lamenting the typical "group think" on Demonland, because some were suggesting Harmes be dropped.

Timing didn't work out well for old mate Nash this week. 

Yes, crap call.  Never made one, Pro?

[chook fowler 19,458]

6 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I am on a losing streak in this thread. 

You made the call on Pederson - zero tackles I think was the rationale.

[Nasher 33,613]

Just now, chook fowler said:

You made the call on Pederson - zero tackles I think was the rationale.

Then I went soft on it later in thread  

[TheoX 1,222]

Poor Pedo, didn't deserve to be dropped

[chook fowler 19,458]

1 minute ago, Nasher said:

Then I went soft on it later in thread  

Should have stuck to your guns

[Moonshadow 17,676]

16 minutes ago, TheoX said:

Poor Pedo, didn't deserve to be dropped

Agreed, but the Weed is our future, so it's possible Roos and Goodwin have recognised Pedo as a handy depth player who gives his all. I have a soft spot for hard working big men who can clunk the ball and throw their body around.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

Feel a bit for the Pedo but it's the right call.

Last game at the G this year for us, (unless a miracle goes down).

No better place to unleash the Hogan/Weed combo.

Happy to see Nibbler get back in too. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,737]

Pedo is unlucky to not play but he is clearly preferred player ahead of Dawes and has done more than enough in the last few weeks/this year to get a contract extension. 

 

  

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

49 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Agreed, but the Weed is our future, so it's possible Roos and Goodwin have recognised Pedo as a handy depth player who gives his all. I have a soft spot for hard working big men who can clunk the ball and throw their body around.

Or maybe resting the Ped for the big game the week after and potential finals action?

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

5 hours ago, binman said:

Disagree rusty. As Prodee notes an opposition player rarely marks the ball when Hogan is in the marking contest. Therefore if he doesn't clunk it it inevitably comes to ground. The goal Kent snagged off the pack was a good example. And by taking the best defender and being doubled team it allows other players, as Viney noted in an interview this week, to 'get off the chain'. Watts is huge beneficiary of this. 

 

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

His competing for the ball created Kent's goal last weekend   just for starters   but whatever

Saty this is either one amazing piece of coincidence, you trolled through the last 5 pages, or that was about the only assist/impact Hogan had last weekend!

Footywire says ZERO goal assists. I prefer to trust my eyes but would need to troll through the replay to confirm. Maybe Champion has a separate stat for "1%er goal assists" or something

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

You made the call on Pederson - zero tackles I think was the rationale.

If that was Nasher's basis then i hope he also called for the heads of Hogan and Frost who also had Zero tackles

Edited August 19, 2016 by Rusty Nails

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

3 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

I thought Kennedy would get the call if Garlett was out. Strange to ignore him as the small forward option. Though happy to see ANB back.

Harmes to work on disposal efficiency. Salem provides better ball use albeit may still be only 90% fit.

Pedersen very unlucky. But Hogan with Weed are the future.

Would also have had Ben Ken before ANB as the Jeffy replacement.

Grimes before Michie. Michie tried and tested a number of times at AFL level and flopped every time so far.

Would have gone Ben Ken (Garlett inj.), Grimes for Vince (rested for next week's potential big one and maybe finals) and left Pedo (unless a rest was required as per Vince, in that case yes bring in the Weid). Harmes had a poor game and a rest was maybe required so ANB at a pinch but would need a very solid game to hold his spot for the following week.

Even if Michie and/or ANB play ok we have no real way of knowing what sort of form they are truly in, unless they have a blinder, given the poor quality opponent this week (9 losses in a row now).

Pretty poor selections IMO and a real slap in the face to poor old Grimes (Michie!!......really!!)

Edited August 19, 2016 by Rusty Nails

[spirit of norm smith 16,441]

Agree. Jack Grimes had a great game in Darwin then was one of many MFC players overrun by the Saints. Grimes gets dropped and despute another very good VFL games he has not got a look in. Roos has marked his card unfairly.

[Redleg 40,895]

Weed injured himself at training and was on the news hobbling.

He either made a good recovery, or we are foxing.

If he plays, then it would be fair to say that we are still planning for the future. With 2 big ruckmen in the Blues side, we leave ourselves exposed. Then again showers are predicted.

[Gator 17,332]

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Weed injured himself at training and was on the news hobbling.

He either made a good recovery, or we are foxing.

If he plays, then it would be fair to say that we are still planning for the future. With 2 big ruckmen in the Blues side, we leave ourselves exposed. Then again showers are predicted.

I saw it too, but it was very innocuous.  Just fell over and grimaced a bit as he ran off.

Looked nothing.

[Samael 560]

11 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Would also have had Ben Ken before ANB as the Jeffy replacement.

Grimes before Michie. Michie tried and tested a number of times at AFL level and flopped every time so far.

Would have gone Ben Ken (Garlett inj.), Grimes for Vince (rested for next week's potential big one and maybe finals) and left Pedo (unless a rest was required as per Vince, in that case yes bring in the Weid). Harmes had a poor game and a rest was maybe required so ANB at a pinch but would need a very solid game to hold his spot for the following week.

Even if Michie and/or ANB play ok we have no real way of knowing what sort of form they are truly in, unless they have a blinder, given the poor quality opponent this week (9 losses in a row now).

Pretty poor selections IMO and a real slap in the face to poor old Grimes (Michie!!......really!!)

So dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

43 minutes ago, Samael said:

So dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. 

Not at all, just don't play them at this point so late in a season with such a (potentially) critical match looming against the Cats.

Ben Ken & Grimes have at least shown they can perform at AFL level albeit not stellar performers. Although having said that Grimes first up game was completely off the charts stats wise. Flopped a little the week after along with most others..out lol. Michie & ANB are too big a risk at this point and do nicely at VFL level but that's where their limitations lie right at this moment (ANB a potential AFL option next year if he can take it to another level).

If they underwhelm and need changing out for the Cats match you have then also not given Grimes/ Ben Ken (if Jeffy doesn't get up for the Cats) a chance to adjust to the step up to AFL level. They'll be coming in cold. Not that the FD would ever pick Grimes I realise. By selecting Michie over Grimes (the worst selection table choice for quite some time IMO) Roos/Goodwin/ FD have obviously signed his papers.

Grimes is easily our best "AFL ready" option at VFL level right at this moment who has proven he can play a role consistently vs others of a similar ilk playing at Casey. Next year might be different but we don't have "next year". We have two matches and need to win both of them very convincingly on the scoreboard to have a chance of playing finals (assuming the other games fall our way obviously).

Edited August 20, 2016 by Rusty Nails

[Samael 560]

4 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Not at all, just don't play them at this point so late in a season with such a (potentially) critical match looming against the Cats.

Ben Ken & Grimes have at least shown they can perform at AFL level albeit not stellar performers. Michie & ANB are too big a risk at this point and do nicely at VFL level but that's where their limitations lie right at this moment (ANB a potential AFL option next year if he can take it to another level).

If they underwhelm and need changing out for the Cats match you have then also not given Grimes/ Ben Ken (if Jeffy doesn't get up for the Cats) a chance to adjust to the step up to AFL level. They'll be coming in cold. Not that the FD would ever pick Grimes I realise. By selecting Michie over Grimes (the worst selection table choice for quite some time IMO) Roos/Goodwin/ FD have obviously signed his papers.

Grimes is easily our best "AFL ready" option at VFL level right at this moment who has proven he can play a role consistently vs others of a similar ilk playing at Casey. Next year might be different but we don't have "next year". We have two matches and need to win both of them very convincingly on the scoreboard to have a chance of playing finals (assuming the other games fall our way obviously).

FWIW I agree that it seems stupid to bring in players at this stage unless it is to rest others (Cats seem to have done this). I rate Viv but am clearly in the very small minority on this site. He will not be at MFC next season and I think that tomorrow may be an audition for another club. His form in the VFL is outstanding and his selection is reward for that effort. Even Roos rated his form as fantastic. 

[binman 42,896]

5 minutes ago, Samael said:

FWIW I agree that it seems stupid to bring in players at this stage unless it is to rest others (Cats seem to have done this). I rate Viv but am clearly in the very small minority on this site. He will not be at MFC next season and I think that tomorrow may be an audition for another club. His form in the VFL is outstanding and his selection is reward for that effort. Even Roos rated his form as fantastic. 

Inside word Samael? For what it's worth i hope you're wrong. Still has a lot to give for the dees and i am in the minority who rate him.

[Samael 560]

6 minutes ago, binman said:

Inside word Samael? For what it's worth i hope you're wrong. Still has a lot to give for the dees and i am in the minority who rate him.

Nah I just think despite showing plenty at VFL level, was yo yo'd last season and not given much of a go this year all of which suggest to me that he is not going to be re-contracted. The interesting thing is that he has been emergency 9 times this year. It is difficult to understand the FD thinking some times. I hope he stays but I doubt it.