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@dpositive - I know nothing of Chaos Theory and the pillars behind it and I see that you have said that there are patterns in Chaos. I feel the language in the media, which then feeds in to fan's view of things, is that 'chaos ball' is condescending to the teams that are allegedly playing it. There are clearly structures in 'chaos ball'... ie:the Bulldogs would handball on quickly, The Tigers would tap the ball on at all costs, we would get multiple I50 entries, as part of their modus operandi... But the language of chaos feeds into this concept that there is no plan...AND if you're losing, it's a bloody awful plan, that any person could come up with. I think there have been some great posts in here, contrasting our style against other teams plans as well.

Clearly, someone should collate the data on this thread, put it in a powerpoint preso with the aim to overthrow Goodwin, Pert and Bartlett and become a legitimate fan's run, democratically voted organisation like Ebbsfleet United/MyFootballClub ?

PM me 'what's going on ' mate

Conceptually the idea of throwing 'magnets' around the whiteboard may be great in country footy - but when you're at the elite level and things are so structured, one person out of the system really [censored] it up. Metaphorically, those that ask for Goodwin (or whatever coach) to 'do something different' by putting back forward, are just wanting to see 'something' innovative... It's like a goal keeper in soccer/football - When they are trying to stop a penalty, they have three options, left, right and centre (staying put)... if they stay put it looks REALLY REALLY awful if the ball goes in because it looks like inaction, vs diving left when it goes right - from a viewers perspective it just looks like a really great kick!

@binman I think the last point actually invalidates the premise behind Type 2, if I am interpreting the statement correctly. What I mean by that is in the coaching interview process - the coach details his philosophy to the board as to why it is congruent with winning premierships. He (it could clearly be a she) details how he creates buy in. But then... he walks into a club with players with exisiting strengths...and just like Goodwin - moves out players over numerous seasons that he believes will not fit in to, or do not have the competence to excel in his philosophy. And then subsequently forms relationships (or has historical relationships), with people that can help him execute said philosophy that are already in the elite system...see Lewis, see Langdon, see Burgess...and drafts for those that could also fit those requirements, see Oliver, Jackson, Rivers. I'd argue all coaches are Type 1 (in this case). What fan wouldn't see their coach is stubborn, reactive etc - when their coach is coaching a team that is not winning. It's too confusing being 'so flexible' (yes it's on a spectrum) for players to commit to a style and roles that chop and change. What I would say, is that it's the way the coaches/managers have their relationships that enable success. There is some great stuff on Mourinho and his seige mentality - us against them whilst at Porto, Chelsea, Real Madrid - and then 3 years of that [censored], the players (and the coach) have had enough and brought in a year or 2 of success... but this is also about 'reputation' of said coach when they walk into an establishment. Vs (what I see Goodwin, Hardwick, Clarkson doing) A nurturing, validating value driven environment....which creates the capacity to have players commit, whilst being flexible enough to honour the strengths that have been selected by the recruitment folk. I'd argue Bolton(Carlton) is a very good coach and educator, and that if he had pedigree of a Roos (from a playing perspective).. Teague will get the rewards... Just like McCartney at the Dogs... God sorry @binman - I have gone way of tangent here...(great thoughtful post by the way).

Probably my quote of the year right there! Spurt milk out my nose!

How on earth has our % only jumped 4% man.... we'll be into 3rd for sure if we win them all!

Ahhh, the main man Ricky Jackson!

With a stacked midfield - with the like of Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw - he'd have to perform Shane Ellen-esque to get the Norm. ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gFYNEAm6Bo

How could it be anything but...it's Shakespearean in its tragedy..and depending where you sit in the theatre , equally amusing.

Thanks @george_on_the_outer - I'm grateful that you watch other games, to see what other innovations are in use. I guess with innovations, though - they don't always come off. From your perspective - as a consequence of setting up like this, what is the cost of setting up like that, and how would teams best counteract it? postscript: I just had a look at the first two quarters and couldn't seem to see what you are talking about... I am but a simple bloke. On the image here - are you talking about the horizontal arrows, or the vertical ones I THINK I GET IT NOW - the horizontal players - so in the first instance it was Dangerfield (left hand side of the screen) and Guthrie (right hand side) - Dangerfield did power through... Yes... the distance from the Geelong players moving in is very noticeable. So... having a leading ruckman Gawn- keeping an eye on which player is moving in and then belting it from where they came from could be a good strategy. pps: sorry for stream of consciousness

Aside from the 'existential' stuff - this would be one of my favourite clips of understanding the link between the .brain and the pain experience. It's amusing and insightful. And I suspect that is more of a factor for Harley. The notion of 'danger' (real or interpreted)....and most importantly meaning Meaning amplifies or reduces the intensity of the pain (or any emotional) experience. In relation to Harley (or any athlete) - the anxiety of reinjury is worse than the experience. And it perpetuates safety behaviours... now this is the brain working really well to protect you from uncomfortable experiences.. AND that's not necessarily useful in the context of sport - as it moves you away from task. Task in the present moment on the football field is everything that we talk about on here...and it's often the unseen stuff... going that 'little bit' harder to extend yourself when you're fatigued... etc etc. Harley will slowly gather more evidence that his body can hold up to the rigours of the game... and that is done quarter by quarter assessing and reflecting on how his body has held up - which means 'in game' he becomes less internal, less vigilance, or less need to monitor how he is tracking calf wise... and of course, if his attention isn't monitoring THAT stuff.. he's fully on task. also, Harley isn't an inside player... and that's ok.. AND what are the non negotiables of playing when you 'don't have the ball. We all (all players) understand it's a contact game, so if contact is going to be there... are you willing to have it... and bit by bit Harley will become a bit more comfortable having the contact.

look forward to him kicking 5.17 against us then.

Nice little read on the game. MELBOURNE V COLLINGWOOD – THE BIG MONGREL QUESTIONS

Someone on the board said a groin? Done for the year.

A handy little reference:

I see it far simpler @binman - it's not even about the fact he has had a relationship with the football club. He is a poor as commentator /analyst as all of them... the broadcasters choose this style for a particular reason. So essentially you could reword what you wrote a little - his and all commentators style that we listen to as 'a lack of understanding of the modern game and uninformed, poorly researched, emotive rants about any team'.

Serious question. Why does anyone care about Garry's views on us (or any club)? He is an ex icon of our club -and has now had a media career longer than his football career. He is as relevant to the football club currently as Luke Darcy is....but I get people romantically link his time. I wonder if Ricky Jackson had a commentary career, or a blogspot and he critiqued in the same way, would people get just as upset?

#tradegawnlesspredictibilty.

Not that we supporters are after perfection, but in case I missed any, any negatives tonight @Kent @[email protected]@Sir Why You Little #Noexcuses

@deanox I am looking forward to trialing your recommendation of the new ‘technology’ tonight - to look at the systems that both teams are using - appreciate the heads up.

That sounds brilliant. Can you write it down on a napkin and post the play for us??

You’re always solid Clint- hope your mail or ‘vibe’ is accurate

Well, if Grundy plays, I look forward to watching how our systems operate with the non dominant ruckman. Just on the midfield... Pendlebury and Petracca - I reckon if you do a drinking game on basketball references by the commentary team - you'll be passed out by half way through the 2nd.

Can you give the stats for Jackson's time management. Just so I can cross reference it with the standard form for 1st year players, that is sent out to all AFL clubs and their supporters. Everyone's wise in retrospect @Hogan2014.