Engorged Onion

provide the evidence for this please.

Great stuff @binman - could you bullet point what Hodge said please - if you have time.

You don't think they already know whats going on in the most forensic detail?

Walk me through how the club is amateur. All the clubs that have had difficulties over the years when it comes to scheduling or the like... don't [censored] and moan about it publicly. To infer that the club don't deal with these things responsibly, just because YOU AND I don't get to hear about it means that YOU don't understand how the clubs and the AFL interact in keeping raised issues in house.

Lucifer - I did it quite quick and I suspect there are some inaccuracies..ie: the notion of Geelong flying to Perth, hubbing it up and then up to QLD. Good point re: Adelaide - I merely looked at round by round fixtures to ascertain if they played in the same state. I guess I was looking at it in a compressed fixtures situation. Essentially Melbourne had 14 days of travel from July 6th to September 2nd. Rubbish data in...rubbish results I'll spend a bit more time this afternoon- reconciling some of the data.

I'm sure you're hurting @Billy - and that's ok. But as I'm not a staff member of the MFC - they're not deflecting blame. Actually, nor am I. This is a sense making tool... and it's fine that you see it as an excuse.

I'm not going to postulate on what this means...if anything. However I calculated all the travel accrued by each team, each round for a total figure, As well as the amount of times travel occurred. And...here are the results. And yes, Melbourne are on top of distance and on flights taken. Is it meaningful? Perhaps.

Now @titan_uranus I may be a cynical man, and I may believe in 'scripted' finishes, but if these things happen and its a' extravagahhhhhnnnnnnza for the final round... well - I'd almost believe that the AFL have ordered results to fall a particular way...

A team on the cusp of making the finals should be flogging a lowly side, I mean it couldn’t be too hard? perhaps the coach has lost the players? perhaps the game plan is awful? perhaps he speaks too corporate? theyve resigned him when they shouldn’t have. the only question I have to ask is... Is Cameron the right guy?

Bingo, and how vaunted essendon were early in the season. And then it gets dresssed up in the media by Lloyd, that he doesnt know what they stand for. They and Melbourne aren't [censored] standing for anything* because they're [censored] knackered. *hilariousness of when you lose matches, it means you don't stand for anything. @Skuit apologies for a capital a in And

I cant think for myself today - what are you inferring?

Im doing a mindful self compassion course right now online...seriously. Concurrently checking scores... I presume we are kicking into the teeth of the storm?

go on, screen shot it and highlight yourself!

and thank [censored] for that...

Stevo, were you brought up in Colac? Did my initial comment hit a nerve for some reason? If so, I apologise - as I said in a few other posts- I was being flippant - I could have just as easy said Birregurra, or Portland, or Fish Creek. I presume you're an old family friend of the Hodges by how intensely you are pursuing this!

Cobden... What does a Camperdown accent sound like over a forum?

Let’s think about the logic around the notion of If we lose = we therefore are accepting of losing = we don’t have a strong culture. then build that standpoint in to the reality of competing against clubs with better and at times fewer resources than us - week in week out. it is a totally flawed argument.

Ok ok! You’re the second person to call it. Im originally from down the road. It was a flippant comment - you’re 100% it has no baring! *Must remember the literalism of people who read posts.

What's the difference between excuses and reasons @Lord Travis?

Thinking that's a legitimate part of the argument... same could be said mate

I counterpoint Michael Voss. It's reductionist to link those 2 points to his capacity to coach. Besides...he's from Colac....anyways I would much prefer Fagan... who I am sure we all know, came from Melbourne with its lack of sustained success. , with a hiatus at Hawthorn, and is known as a renowned educator, rather than 'coach. Which is all about 'guiding' players rather than 'compelling/demanding' players to do things. Just like you can't demand a 14yo to do homework, similar you cannot do it to players who are learning the game (and every single player is learning/refining their game year after year anyway). Getting some ex player in, because he 'appears' to have been around success, when he was merely ONE single link in the machine is fraught.

Apologies Lucifer - I know you didn't - I was mixing others previous commentary into your post!

Maybe I am a bit ragey this morning, but here is Port Adelaides Ladder position since 2013 under Ken. Now if winning games is indicative of good culture (which is isn't, that is just mythologised and a conceptual way for us to make sense of what drives performance) I highly doubt there must have been some 'magical' cutural changes between October 2019 and March 2020... So if it is not culture, what is it that's propelled the change?? 55% winning rate. 2013 7th 2014 6th 2015 10th 2016 10th 2017 10th 2018 5th 2019 10th 2020 1st (currently)

Until it doesnt. Plenty of examples where that is the case.

Seriously, clubs review formally and informally every. single. week. Also, if anyone is an expert in culture and change management on this forum - walk us through what 'weak culture' is and what are the steps to remedy it. I want to be enlightened.