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In the interests of fairness, it should be pointed out that despite what he himself would no doubt admit was nowhere near his best season, Brad Green took more contested marks than any other Demon player this year. He was also our second highest goal scorer with 37, just three behind Liam Jurrah. The above does not address the captaincy issue but are just some simple facts to add to the context of this discussion.

Any chance you could show a man who has ended his 40 year career a little respect. If he is lost to the game I personally think the game is worse for it. I hope he can return revitalised in some form

I hate watching the Grand Final. I hate seeing other teams win. It kills me that I have never experienced that joy of a premiership. Grand Finals get harder and harder to take every year. But I love watching Collingwood lose, Eddie cry and Joel Selwood and Jimmy Bartel dominate. If we are not going to be there on the day, then at least I take comfort in knowing that Collingwood have gone there and failed.

Nuggety on baller whose attack on the football is always relentless continued his consistent form with yet another top five finish in the Keith "Bluey" Truscott club champion standings. The nude nut, tattooed Demon on baller is always willing to put his body on the line and adds a lot of grunt to the team make up. He improved both his disposal and his decision-making to cap off another good season. Games MFC 2011 22 MFC Total 114 Goals MFC 2011 14 MFC Total 52 MFC Kicks 266 (2nd), Marks 100 (4th), Handballs 241 (1st), Tackles 69 (5th), Inside 50s 83 (3rd), Rebounds from 50 (4th) Club Champion 171 votes (4th).

To those in the media and on here who rubbished Garry and said his short stint would achieve nothing, please take a moment to relect on the changes at the MFC recently. Not saying he takes all the credit but he clearly has had some major input.

What I like about the events post-season so far is the rebuild of the football department has proceeded without fanfare. Piece by piece we have put together a new coach, fitness coach, coaching director comprising highly regarded individuals who have seen success at their former clubs. There's been no big statements from Schwab, Connolly or Lyon. They've just put the pieces in place. Considering Bails was inherited from the Harris-Gardner regime, and that what has been done over the past month could not have been achieved without Jimmy's debt reduction and club stabilization program, what we are getting to now is Jimmy's real legacy. More than compensatory draft picks or short term fixes to the game plans, the football department reform we are now seeing is what will shape the medium term future of this club. I for one am getting seriously upbeat about the future. This could be one wild ride.

Eddie and Mick have made the Pies a force in the AFL. I hope the MFC can emulate the feat. Don't get the hatred - our coach is our coach primarily because Mick Malthouse was his mentor and is a huge wrap for him. And our Garry Lyon trusted the word of Mick Malthouse... Shock horror.

Given the number of people around here who were demanding that we do everything and then some to get Malthouse to Melbourne, some surprising reactions. For mine, I love the Dees, and after that, hard to work up much passion either way re any of the other clubs. For Malthouse, does seem that his time is up, in the same way Thompson's was at Geelong. All change. 2012 already looks interesting - and impossible to predict.

This is war dee-luded and as we've learned so often as Melbourne fans the nice guys finish last. Stuff 'em and kick 'em while they're down. This is an 18-team take no prisoners competition where only the tough and brutish thrive. Let's stop being so nice.

When the loser throwing mud at the the loser is loserer than the loser that the loser is throwing mud at makes losing thread.

Oh Lighten up Mate. I sure we all enjoyed the game and the fact that the cats played so well etc. It is just a bonus who they beat. For all those who want to shelve Fitzpatrick have a look at Hawkins today. This guy IMO has been next to useless for the majority of his time in Geelong Seniors. And today he played well and sunk the pies in the last half. These big guys do take time I might add I would have cut him by now so shows how much I know! . PS just shows how hard they are to win. The Pies were the best team all year and got rolled on the day it counts the most.

Dawes, a good player. We need a contesting tall, But I feel his has been well overvalued recently. Why are/were they having such trouble resigning him if he's so good? Wheres their priorities?

Weak.

Yes old dee it has somewhat (not totally) restored my faith in humanity and Collingwood to its rightful place

There are few things in life as sweet as the pies loosing a Grand Final My year has had some joy after all. Go Dees

Not that often you see a swan drown.

I agree with all that old dee. I reckon the shoddy way that Junior's departure was handled was probably influential in Bruce leaving, and maybe there is a lingering sour taste in Green's mouth as well. However, the Club has acknowledged that that it didn't handle the Junior 'retirement' well, and I think it's unlikely that we would make the same mistake again, especially with one of our 'elder statesmen'. If the possibility of a repeat of the Junior situation is behind Green's apparent procrastination, he should get over it and sign a one year deal.

I'm a little perplexed by what appears to be Melbourne's inability, or lack of apetite, to sign players 30+. last week we see GWS grabbing James Mcdonald, Cornes of the Chad variety, and Dean Brogan, all wouldn't have a hope of staying on our list. purely because of their age, not ability. And today we see the cats, with how many players over 30? hopefully completing a "dynasty" by giving the pies a smack. We need experience, we need to keep Brad Green, sans capataincy probably, we've got rid of Bailey and his "building a group for the future" cr#p. He was just future proofing himself. We have to keep players with experience, and I think we need more of them. I am not one for the assumption that untried 17 y/o kids are going to solve our problems by 2016. Use our scully picks to get a couple of players with experience, make the finals next year and build confidence in the group we have now, not the group we'll have in 5 years time. Sorry, I went off on a tangent. Brad Green should get two years no captaincy.

Precisely. And anyway, if playing ability has any bearing on coaching ability then we'd better show Neeld the door after his forgettable 74 games at AFL level.

Any player that can extract a 200 game career out of himself, along with a premiership medallion (or maybe even 2), all while having so many limitations and "next to no ability"... simply must have some sort of know-how and understanding of the game. I recall the Collingwood game earlier this year when he threw himself at aerial contests in their forward line with abandon, and I swear his main intention was to injure Frawley. Was reminiscent of blokes like the Scott brothers - uncompromising types willing to do what it takes to get the win. They've made passable coaches. I can't really think of a better candidate to be coach, based on that. Better than a bloke like Judd, who excels because of his freakish athleticism and natural ability - you can't teach that to players.

LOL!! Welcome to the Internet daisycutter. And I usually just go to the self service counters and put bananas through as onions.. do I care? NO- I like bananas in my milkshakes and they rip the farmers off, so karma!

I sometimes despair for this forum. One poster confesses to messing his underpants, another obsesses over a player frontal region firepower (whatever that is) and now another is fixated over a horses genitalia.......................and the drafting silly season hasn't even started.......sheesh, I'm getting confused and the price of bananas is still over $10

Interesting that the Dees boys on the Footy Show GF revue did a song by Maroon 5, "Dance Like Jaeger" or should that be "Jagger". Wonder if they know something?

The OP is a tad harsh on Bailey? IMO he preached the united message of rebuilding and development as well as anyone and was a key member of the MFC team. I think preople are to quick to kick bailey to the kerb? Yes we didnt probably deliver during his time at the club, but i doubt anyone would have?

I don't hate the Pies as much as others, and there's something about Geelong I don't like. A certain smugness about them. Having said that I'll be supporting Geelong, but don't really care either way.

Trenners, of course, would do a quality job serving snags outside Bunnings on a saturday morning ! "Cringe-worthy" is too polite an expression for the rest !

http://www.3aw.com.au/displayPopUpPlayerAction.action?&url=http://media.mytalk.com.au/3AW/AUDIO/290911_Dees.mp3

Just been wondering.... The curse of Norm Smith - anyone else get the feeling it may have been lifted thanks our old arch enemies treating Mick Malthouse in a similar way to Norm being given his marching orders after 64. They have now lost Neeld to us may lose Watters to St Kilda, leaving Bucks without much current help. Just wondering if we may just passed the buck to the magpies - may 50 odd years of hell go your way and many new green pastures come ours

Not really. It is just filling your coaching panel with people you already know can do the job you need them to. You need people who are receptive and conducive to your management style. People unknown to you can be good also, like a fresh pair of eyes and an intelligent counter if needed. Trust however takes time to build, and until it is built, sometimes the lack of it can slow the output and hinder the achievement of team goals. So ... put in people you know so you can avoid the trust building issue.

It doesn't say anything to me - it SCREAMS to me G.W.S. ( what a wonderful negotiating ploy- Milk the Pies for both years that GWS is able to take uncontracted players - his managers are genius's)