From that Reddit Thread

I watched Gettable so you don't have to - Pick or Treat

- Willem Duursma will be going to West Coast with Pick 1 but clubs aren't overly sure what they'll do next. Taking Cooper Duff-Tytler at #2 still seems the most likely option

- "Regardless of who's there, Richmond will bid" on any of the Academy or F/S tied players available at Pick 3 or 4

- Duff-Tytler would be a certainty for Richmond if he gets past West Coast

- Essendon's NGA products Adam Sweid and Hussain El Ackhar are both in the Pick 25-40 range meaning neither of them are guaranteed to be matched by Essendon

- Essendon would be the most likely club to make a bid on Carlton F/S Harry Dean, who's the highest rated KPD prospect in 5 years

- Lachy Dovaston is seen as the best small forward in the draft, whilst Aidan Schubert is seen as the best KPF

- Glenelg small forward Latrelle Pickett will be the first mature aged player picked in the draft

- The chance of Essendon landing Josh Weddle is "minimal"

- Carlton will likely wait until draft night to trade out Pick 9 and Pick 11. They want a Future 1st and points for Harry Dean. Although not many clubs are keen to bring forward picks

- Adelaide has interest in pushing up the board from Pick 16 to Pick 9

- AFL will wait to see how the bidding system fairs in this draft before making new rules in December.

- Gold Coast's Pick 15 is still up for grabs for more draft points, as is Brisbane's Pick 17 (Fun side note, this was a response to my question)

- The Delisted Free Agency period opens on Monday, although more clubs are likely to use the SSP train-on system instead

- Former Lion Deven Robertson and former Pie Fin Macrae look set to join the rookie list at West Coast

- Sydney Academy players Max King, Harry Kyle and Lachlan Carmichael have interest around the 15-25 range, meaning the Swans may not be able to match some of the bids

- West Coast NGA product Tylah Williams could attract some interest in the late first round

50 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’m a fan of both Schubert

I'm not really a fan of Schubert. I see him as being a big guy who is good at the small guy stuff (for a big guy) but not very good at the big guy stuff.

At AFL level the big men don't have the same opportunity to play like little guys as they do in juniors. The game at AFL level is so fast that those relative mobility advantages they have are actually mostly useless. The skills that he needs, and should be mostly judged on, are his ability to play as a dominant tall player (marking, crashing packs, playing with power etc).

Thilthorpe is the player that most people compare him with but Thilthorpe isn't succeeding because of his small man skills, he's succeeding because of his dominbant big man skills (with his mobility as a nice add on). As a junior Thilthorpe showed that he could command a pack as a long target, with his ground play complementing that. Schubert relies on his mobility more than his attack on the football and ability to command a marking contest and he won't have time for that at AFL level. AFL key forwards need to be able to beat their opponent in a contest and I'm not sure that's Schubert's strength. That's a big red flag for me because there are better players than him that have played like that and failed at AFL level.

But, as always, I'm just a nobody who has watched some videos, so what would I know?

18 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

At AFL level the big men don't have the same opportunity to play like little guys as they do in juniors. The game at AFL level is so fast that those relative mobility advantages they have are actually mostly useless. The skills that he needs, and should be mostly judged on, are his ability to play as a dominant tall player (marking, crashing packs, playing with power etc).

That’s where I disagree and think we’ve gone wrong with Weideman and JVR picks. Strongly built pack crashers who haven’t been able to get any space in the air or on the ground at afl level.

Ideally you want guys with some pack crashing but I want a quality athlete so when they come up against athletic defenders they’re at least on a level playing field, if not still maintain a small edge.

I also see enough strong marking and leaping with a big jump and reach in his game. Not a lot of push and shove forward craft but junior footy doesn’t have that. What I also see is the ability and willingness to push, shove and use his hips when he’s in the ruck.

Also when I say I like him I think as long as he works on his kicking and decision making he should have a decent afl career that’s closer to a Shannon Neale, Amartey, Mabior Chol level player than anything special like Thilthorpe. He’d probably be good value at about pick 20 in this draft and we’ll likely look elsewhere but I suspect we consider him.

20 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

I'm not really a fan of Schubert. I see him as being a big guy who is good at the small guy stuff (for a big guy) but not very good at the big guy stuff.

At AFL level the big men don't have the same opportunity to play like little guys as they do in juniors. The game at AFL level is so fast that those relative mobility advantages they have are actually mostly useless. The skills that he needs, and should be mostly judged on, are his ability to play as a dominant tall player (marking, crashing packs, playing with power etc).

Thilthorpe is the player that most people compare him with but Thilthorpe isn't succeeding because of his small man skills, he's succeeding because of his dominbant big man skills (with his mobility as a nice add on). As a junior Thilthorpe showed that he could command a pack as a long target, with his ground play complementing that. Schubert relies on his mobility more than his attack on the football and ability to command a marking contest and he won't have time for that at AFL level. AFL key forwards need to be able to beat their opponent in a contest and I'm not sure that's Schubert's strength. That's a big red flag for me because there are better players than him that have played like that and failed at AFL level.

But, as always, I'm just a nobody who has watched some videos, so what would I know?

As someone who also knows little, bit will form strong opinions on potential draftees regardless, I'm not sure that I agree that he's dependant on winning by playing like a small.

He's clearly a good contested mark. One grabs almost everything, and his highlights are littered with big pack clunks and excellent 1v1 bodywork.

Also think mobility is vital for KPFs in modern footy. Thilthorp is an absolute weapon aerobically. Pretty much all of the best guys at the top level are mobile - they’re just harder to defend if they can move around.

He's also going to be a monster physically in short time. You can tell by looking at his shoulders. He's very broad - he'll look like Thilthorp after a few preseasons.

My biggest concern is he doesn't look particularly skilled. Hideous ball drop. Reminds me of John Butcher in that regard, although despite how it looks it seems to be effective enough.

Anyway, draft the best small forward and key forward in the draft and prosper.

57 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

But, as always, I'm just a nobody who has watched some videos, so what would I know?

I like that you add this. I think it's healthy. Just want to say I find your insights extremely helpful and interesting.

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3 hours ago, The Taciturn Demon said:

I like that you add this. I think it's healthy. Just want to say I find your insights extremely helpful and interesting.

Thanks, I appreciate it. There are a couple of people here who genuinely know what they’re talking about and I try to listen to them whenever they post. For the rest of us I think it’s important that we know we’re just having interesting conversations and that none of us should take ourselves too seriously because we don’t know half as much as we hope we do. 😁

4 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

There are a couple of people here who genuinely know what they’re talking about and I try to listen to them whenever they post.

Run those names by me.

Obviously we've got the guy who talks about Chandler's meridian well above everyone else. Who's on the next tier down?