Just doing my part to get this thread to 200 pages.

Bailey won’t man up

Can’t see this going anywhere unfortunately

Good intentions get you nowhere in the AFL

@Demon Forever Dannyz in the Petracca chat has conceded. Any further updates?

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by Neitz the Great

20 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Consensus seems to be it will be extremely difficult to hit on a winner past pick 2 or 3.

I have read a fair bit on this draft pool now and haven’t seen (or heard) this mentioned once.

25 minutes ago, binman said:

Nah.

Tracc was flying before Moore pole-axed him.

And all things considered he had a pretty good 2025 season.

As I post every off season I don't mind skimming all the trade and draft speculation, and think it's great the thought many put into all the variables.

I particularly like reading Informed views about possible draft options

But personally I don't really care, particularly about the trading palaver. And I don't really have an informed view about value of trades etc

However I'm curious the consensus seems to be picks 7 and 8 is a bad deal.

I get that the context is its Humphrey or picks 7 or 8 and everyone is super keen on Humphrey so perhaps 7 and 8 seems bad in comparison.

But to be honest, assuming the Suns pay all of his salary, picks 7 and 8 for tracc ain't that bad.

Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe he is still a gun. But the reality is he is 30 next year, his kicking, which has never been elite, got worse last season and if I was brutally honest I'd say post injury he's still, 100% understandably, a little cautious in the heat of the battle.

Added together he's a ways off his AA best.

He may well get back to that level - and I sincerely hope he does whether that's at the dees or another club.

But as a punter I'd give no better than even money he will get back to his AA best.

In that context picks 7 and 8 is ok I reckon.

And if we take those picks to the draft (Ie as opposed to on trading for a player) that's pretty exciting.

7 and 8 on its own is reasonable, but if they require us to give them the equivalent of pick 8 in points in later picks back, then it's only pick 7 isn't it?

Pick 7, 8 + F1, for all of our late picks this year (which will be pick 8+ in points) is a fairer deal. Given their first pick next year is probably going to be 15-18.

37 minutes ago, binman said:

Nah.

Tracc was flying before Moore pole-axed him.

And all things considered he had a pretty good 2025 season.

As I post every off season I don't mind skimming all the trade and draft speculation, and think it's great the thought many put into all the variables.

I particularly like reading Informed views about possible draft options

But personally I don't really care, particularly about the trading palaver. And I don't really have an informed view about value of trades etc

However I'm curious the consensus seems to be picks 7 and 8 is a bad deal.

I get that the context is its Humphrey or picks 7 or 8 and everyone is super keen on Humphrey so perhaps 7 and 8 seems bad in comparison.

But to be honest, assuming the Suns pay all of his salary, picks 7 and 8 for tracc ain't that bad.

Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe he is still a gun. But the reality is he is 30 next year, his kicking, which has never been elite, got worse last season and if I was brutally honest I'd say post injury he's still, 100% understandably, a little cautious in the heat of the battle.

Added together he's a ways off his AA best.

He may well get back to that level - and I sincerely hope he does whether that's at the dees or another club.

But as a punter I'd give no better than even money he will get back to his AA best.

In that context picks 7 and 8 is ok I reckon.

And if we take those picks to the draft (Ie as opposed to on trading for a player) that's pretty exciting.

Problem I have with 7&8 is twofold:

To GC they’re essentially junk picks, given they just need points in the draft. That doesn’t matter to us, but I find it obnoxious that Team Trac push this offer through Morris as a good deal while he presents himself as such a high value talent.

And for us, getting two talented kids feels like an imbalanced profile. It’s been proven too many times that a young list doesn’t develop without significant senior talent. We’ve said upfront picks don’t work and I can understand precisely why.

IMO we’re steadfast on Humphrey. There hasn’t even been another player floated in the past few days. I know people disbelieve Trac could be back, but I see us holding firm this time.

It’s Trac or Humphrey. I’m quite sure of it.

Dees...walk away

You're getting duped

Ive heard we had Buckley's chance of bringing the Moe lad, who bailed on proceedings.

7 minutes ago, deanox said:

7 and 8 on its own is reasonable,

Yes. 7 and 8 is reasonable.

Why do we have to bend over backwards to satisfy Gold Coast when they’re the ones gaining a player that could help take them to a prelim or even GF next year?

I don’t care about GC’s academy picks. I only care about getting proper recompense for losing a super star.

@Demonland Shut up shop I reckon?

Can anyone inform me what the situation is with how many list spots we have open? With all our delistings and McVee, Clarry, Spargo, Trac leaving, It seems we have many leaving and only Heath coming our way.

The math doesn’t add up. Particularly in a perceived weak draft in which we may need to go deep with using picks.

TIA

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by Nietaphart

8 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Yes. 7 and 8 is reasonable.

Why do we have to bend over backwards to satisfy Gold Coast when they’re the ones gaining a player that could help take them to a prelim or even GF next year?

I don’t care about GC’s academy picks. I only care about getting proper recompense for losing a super star.

I guess that's what I'm really saying - is tracc still a superstar?

Not on his 2025 form.

And it's worth noting that whilst it's reasonable to fact the his injury into an assessment of his 2025 season he did in fact have an uninterrupted preseason (not to mention his red bull fitness camp) so it's not like he wasn't pretty close to his optimal condition.

It's no sure thing he will ever again be a superstar that regularly wins game off his own boot.

13 minutes ago, Nietaphart said:

Can anyone inform me what the situation is with how many list spots we have open? With all our delistings and McVee, Clarry, Spargo, Trac leaving, It seems we have many leaving and only Heath coming our way.

The math doesn’t add up. Particularly in a perceived weak draft in which we may need to go deep with using picks.

TIA

I’ve got us 9 out including Claz and Trac..

in:

Mihocek

Heath

7 x other spots bw rest of trade / draft / rookie promotion etc.

We've got a stack of experienced talent on the list so adding a few more youngsters could in fact, add a bit more balance

Veteran/Experienced types ... Fritsch, Melk, Mihocek, Gawn, Viney, Langdon, Salem, T-Mac, May, Lever, Petty, Bowey, Rivers, McAdam, Campbell, Sparrow, Chandler, Pickett et al

Most of the above are starting 18 and there's still 14 Premiership players amongst that lot (Mihocek included)

Others such as Turner, JVR, Culley, Howes, Laurie & Sharp are all 22yo or older

So with a few decent picks in the 2025 draft, we can add 3 or 4 18yo's to accompany youngsters such as Windsor, Adams, Kolt, Jeffo, Lindsay & Langford etc

7 minutes ago, Rockets said:

I’ve got us 9 out including Claz and Trac..

in:

Mihocek

Heath

7 x other spots bw rest of trade / draft / rookie promotion etc.

Yeesh.

Taking that many in the draft doesn’t bode well.

7 minutes ago, Rockets said:

I’ve got us 9 out including Claz and Trac..

in:

Mihocek

Heath

7 x other spots bw rest of trade / draft / rookie promotion etc.

We should have room for about 2 SSP or midseason pickups which might be handy in a weak draft - have players train with us or show form as a 19 year old.

12 minutes ago, Rockets said:

I’ve got us 9 out including Claz and Trac..

in:

Mihocek

Heath

7 x other spots bw rest of trade / draft / rookie promotion etc.

Is that with or without Woey Jnr?

Just now, Dannyz said:

Is that with or without Woey Jnr?

It’s the 5 x delistings on B&F night plus Trac Claz McVee and Spargo.

I’m a few glasses of wine 🍷 deep so I may have missed someone. 😂

7 minutes ago, The Lobster Effect said:

We should have room for about 2 SSP or midseason pickups which might be handy in a weak draft - have players train with us or show form as a 19 year old.

We haven’t had space for a midseason pickup in forever. Since Disco? 🪩 midseason is underrated. Can get some solid first 23 players thru it.

15 minutes ago, Rockets said:

I’ve got us 9 out including Claz and Trac..

in:

Mihocek

Heath

7 x other spots bw rest of trade / draft / rookie promotion etc.

Stand corrected on the following ...

4 rookies gone so we replace them with another 4 rookies?

Primary list gone ... Spargo, Hore, Billings, McVee, Oliver (?) Petracca (?)

Added ... Heath, Mihocek

So is that 4 spots needed of which one of them will be White. Sinnema?

it is amazing when they will they will never know....

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Stand corrected on the following ...

4 rookies gone so we replace them with another 4 rookies?

Primary list gone ... Spargo, Hore, Billings, McVee, Oliver (?) Petracca (?)

Added ... Heath, Mihocek

So is that 4 spots needed of which one of them will be White. Sinnema?

Yes, it’s 4 to 6 spots on the primary list available. White and Sinnema seem to be on the late draft or rookie bubble so that kind of cancels out.

Assuming ND7, ND8, ND24 and ND37 after the trades are done and we give back picks to GC.

Woey would get a reprieve as our next pick might be in the 60s…

1 hour ago, binman said:

However I'm curious the consensus seems to be picks 7 and 8 is a bad deal.

I get that the context is its Humphrey or picks 7 or 8 and everyone is super keen on Humphrey so perhaps 7 and 8 seems bad in comparison.

But to be honest, assuming the Suns pay all of his salary, picks 7 and 8 for tracc ain't that bad.

Problem is, Binners, 7 and 8 very likely become 11 and 12 after academy and F/Ss, so two mid first round picks for him essentially. And we may well therefore give up other picks to allow them to match academy picks.

Will have talent available to us regardless if it's pushed to 12 or so anyway. We'll work it out. 2 (hopefully) decent young lads who you can train up and could be anything, whilst losing a 30yr old in the backend. It is what it is. We'll find something. White and Sinnema coming in is cool too ☺️

we should have seen it coming. 😮‍💨 what a bore.