24 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

Lamb isn’t the only one making decisions

He’s a big part of them.

Lamb has traded peanuts for peanuts recently and in the meantime we've gone to the draft with multiple first round picks. Yeah his speculative trades amounted to nothing, but cost nothing.

11 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Clarry had multiple similar offers at the time.

Would anyone here be happy to lose him given his form at the time?

He was still contracted for another year when he signed the initial deal so tough luck on those other clubs considering he still had 18 months to go.

15 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Lamb by name, Lamb by nature?

Seems a protected species on this thread.. 🤣

42 minutes ago, Benny Dee said:

We are right to be critical of the long term deals but for all 3 of them (gus, clarry and trac) they have ended up as worse case scenarios. Who could have predicted that. Gus - retired, Oliver - off the rails, trac - injured and out of love with club.

There's an alternate universe where maynard doesnt lay out gus and they are all celebrating a second flag together. And we would say tim lamb is the man who put together a dynasty

Yeah and I might win tattslotto as well!

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

He was still contracted for another year when he signed the initial deal so tough luck on those other clubs considering he still had 18 months to go.

Seems a protected species on this thread.. 🤣

You know very well that once players have only a year left on a deal, you lose heaps of leverage

We didn’t need to re-sign Kosi now either but we got the opportunity to and so we jumped at it

Clarry was arguably the best player in the competition. And we are a small club. When you get lucky enough to find these types of stars you move heaven and earth to keep them.

Trac hasn’t worked out how we planned either. But you have to take those risks to keep those players happy when they’re at their peak.

Every club does the same. Ffs Richmond gave Balta a 7 year deal 😂

9 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

He’s a big part of them.

Soo whats his background in footy then!??

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

You know very well that once players have only a year left on a deal, you lose heaps of leverage

We didn’t need to re-sign Kosi now either but we got the opportunity to and so we jumped at it

Clarry was arguably the best player in the competition. And we are a small club. When you get lucky enough to find these types of stars you move heaven and earth to keep them.

Trac hasn’t worked out how we planned either. But you have to take those risks to keep those players happy when they’re at their peak.

Every club does the same. Ffs Richmond gave Balta a 7 year deal 😂

You're missing my point once again. I have zero issues with long term contracts.

But why give a dude thats completely off the rails a 7 year contract 🤣 literally setting him up to fail not succeed.

Honestly, give him a 3 year deal if you have too with some behavioural clauses included.

Petracca deserved his because not only did he live up to the expectations and perform but he has been an absolute professional all the way to the end as we speak. I hate the thought of losing him but have accepted that its probably best for both parties.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by dazzledavey36

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Why give a dude thats completely off the rails a 7 year contract 🤣 literally setting him up to fail not succeed.

Dunno. Ask Carlton and Geelong who had similar offers on the table for him.

If we lost him to another club, you would be the first one to pot us as a mess.

And your perception of Trac as a professional may not be totally true. Is he professional on field? Sure. But his behavior the last 18 months has been incredibly toxic and not at all professional for a senior player on big bucks.

7 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

I never said he’s done a great job, but you’re going on about him folding at trades when there is no proof of that.

I can tell you categorically that the Viney and Gawn extensions came from the board in a time when we needed good news and to manage optics. It was not Lamb’s decision alone.

And these list cloggers you speak of cost us genuinely nothing.

When he got May Lever and Langdon he was ace, and now he’s not?

And where was the bitchin and moaning when Lamb managed to snag Kosi for 9 years when every man and his dog thought he was gone?!

Didn't Tim Lamb join in late 2020 after Mahoney left? May, Lever and Langdon were brought in by Mahoney.

5 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Didn't Tim Lamb join in late 2020 after Mahoney left? May, Lever and Langdon were brought in by Mahoney.

He’s been with us in drafting and list management since 2012

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/130821/lamb-choice-cut-for-dees

By the way Lamb and Jason Taylor work together to identify potential trade targets. People talk about Lamb like he’s Putin. He doesn’t get to operate in a vacuum. He needs approval from a whole host of people to sign deals. Especially big deals.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Jaded No More

With regard to the situation with both Petracca and Oliver I think we should take what the club says regards retaining both of these players during this trade period at face value.

I believe that we are more than prepared to keep both of them if the right deal cannot be done. A lot on here are looking at the situation through eyes that reflect the values of 20/30 years ago when a player's loyalty to a club was a thing that was highly valued. That is not the case anymore. A lot more dollars involved. Player loyalty is a thing of the past.

Players and clubs are a hell of a lot more professional and footy clubs are business first.

I see the position MFC are taking as the next step in professionalism. In reality the club is saying that any player, no matter what the contractual situation is, is free to explore the market, but unless the club gets value for money, it will not facilitate a trade.

To my mind the club has to be prepared to back their words and accept either/both back into the playing ranks if a deal cannot be struck.

They have been up front about where they stand, now they need to back it up.

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

He’s been with us in drafting and list management since 2012

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/130821/lamb-choice-cut-for-dees

That role was as a recruiter. Scouting potential draftees.

He was appointed List Manager in 2020.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Dr. Gonzo

6 hours ago, bing181 said:

Deals are never simple, and the problem for us here is that GC know that Trac can’t come back to us now. They also know we want him and his salary off our books.

In spite of all the posturing, we’re on a hiding to nothing here, and GC very much have the upper hand.

Garbage.

4 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Dunno. Ask Carlton and Geelong who had similar offers on the table for him.

If we lost him to another club, you would be the first one to pot us as a mess.

And your perception of Trac as a professional may not be totally true. Is he professional on field? Sure. But his behavior the last 18 months has been incredibly toxic and not at all professional for a senior player on big bucks.

He wouldnt have left lol. Around that time we weren't losing anyone of significance considering we were right in our premiership to what, go to Carlton? 🤣

That's based off your own assumption whilst using big words such as "toxic" around the club is just a narrative to suit your own negayive agenda you have had against Petracca since last year.

Go and watch Harvey Langfords rising star video and he was nothing but glowing appraisal for Petracca for supporting him with his development on and off field.

Even on his cooking insta page there is a video of him mid year inviting a few boys and their partners over for dinner he prepared.

Yep, sure sounds like a guy thats completely toxic around his teammates...

MFC should just list the GC players we would consider as part of a trade and say unless you are prepared to move one or more of them then we just don't meet to discuss.

3 hours ago, Doug Reemer said:

Taylor is responsible for drafting, lamb does recruiting. I’d be frogmarching Lamb out the door post trade period.

Taylor is head of recruiting.

Easy to check.

25 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He wouldnt have left lol. Around that time we weren't losing anyone of significance considering we were right in our premiership to what, go to Carlton? 🤣

That's based off your own assumption whilst using big words such as "toxic" around the club is just a narrative to suit your own negayive agenda you have had against Petracca since last year.

Go and watch Harvey Langfords rising star video and he was nothing but glowing appraisal for Petracca for supporting him with his development on and off field.

Even on his cooking insta page there is a video of him mid year inviting a few boys and their partners over for dinner he prepared.

Yep, sure sounds like a guy thats completely toxic around his teammates...

You when we signed Clarry

Also you “WHY DID WE SIGN HIM FOR 7 years”

You love to pretend like you know everything so let’s go with your version of events at whatever point in time it suits you

30 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He wouldnt have left lol. Around that time we weren't losing anyone of significance considering we were right in our premiership to what, go to Carlton? 🤣

That's based off your own assumption whilst using big words such as "toxic" around the club is just a narrative to suit your own negayive agenda you have had against Petracca since last year.

Go and watch Harvey Langfords rising star video and he was nothing but glowing appraisal for Petracca for supporting him with his development on and off field.

Even on his cooking insta page there is a video of him mid year inviting a few boys and their partners over for dinner he prepared.

Yep, sure sounds like a guy thats completely toxic around his teammates...

In fairness to us he did legitimately meet with David Teague and patty Cripps at the time, probably to leverage his 7 year deal but the interest was there.

I get frustrated with Kane Cornes knocking us for this deal. Clarry was flying at the time. We were winning, he was as consistently in the Brownlow mix, on track to be one of the greatest demons ever and 17 clubs would have signed him to the exact same deal given the chance.

It isn’t an ideal situation now, but lots of players have really significant off fiend challenges and no one cares if they’re playing well.

The reality of AFL footy is the AFLPA have skewed the rules so far in favour of players not clubs that all clubs, especially smaller clubs like Melbourne have to offer big money long term deals to sign anyone. Like Clarry isn’t going to knock back 8 years at Geelong and sign 3 years at Melbourne.

2 hours ago, DutchDemons said:

What is shizzen supposed to mean, it’s your favourite word and I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

https://en.langenscheidt.com/german-english/scheissen

1 hour ago, Whispering_Jack said:

What the clubs are saying (from the Herald Sun:

• Melbourne says trading Oliver and Petracca will only be done if the club feels it sets them up for their next premiership. 

• List boss Tim Lamb says he “will dispute” that Oliver was pushed out of the club.

• Lamb also confirmed the Demons are interested in Bailey Humphrey and now expects Steven May to remain at the club. 

What’s changed (with May) between being asked to find another club and now we’re saying we expect him to stay?

8 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Well let's just with the big chest pumping about Luke Jackson on October 4 2022 hey?

Speaking to AFL.com.au's Callum Twomey and Riley Beveridge on Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio on Tuesday, Lamb said it "would be fair to say" they would look to secure more than Fremantle's pick 13 and a future first-round selection, and will look to strike a deal with whichever club can offer the better package.

Obviously, both Freo and West Coast are still exploring their options and we are going to do a deal with whoever comes up with the best deal for us, for Luke to get back to Western Australia," Lamb said.

"Where that stands at the moment is we are just waiting for the best offer from both clubs. We've had initial talks with both of them but it hasn't progressed very far at all.

"We'd love to get as early in the draft as we could this year, understanding that obviously when you deal with a futures market, you can't predetermine where that pick will land. We understand that.

"Luke was a pick three, he's a Rising Star winner, premiership player, he's 21 years old. Whoever gets Luke is getting 12 years of what we would describe as a generational talent so I think we are being fairly reasonable there."

Now let's look at the final trade..

Melbourne gets pick 13, Fremantle's future first round pick and future second round pick (tied to the Dockers) in exchange for Jackson, picks 44 and 67. GWS gets Toby Bedford.

Huffed and puffed at the start then folded in the final hurdle.

Should we discuss the McAdam trade whilst we are at it?

Correct. You've got to fear the worst with the Petracca trade.

4 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

You mean the players that he retained on long term contracts that now he’s trying to negotiate for them to leave … as we have guys like Trac and Clarry in $1.3m a year each. Irony is he’s trying to get us the best deal to try to salvage his long term 7 and 8 year contracts. Guys like Viney and May who got extensions out to be 35year old at end of term. Not sure he’s to be exactly applauded with such gusty. I like the AFL possibly introducing a 5- year contract max term by the way.

That 5 year AFL term max came through Geelong because they have run out of land to bargain with.

1 hour ago, CHF said:

With regard to the situation with both Petracca and Oliver I think we should take what the club says regards retaining both of these players during this trade period at face value.

I believe that we are more than prepared to keep both of them if the right deal cannot be done. A lot on here are looking at the situation through eyes that reflect the values of 20/30 years ago when a player's loyalty to a club was a thing that was highly valued. That is not the case anymore. A lot more dollars involved. Player loyalty is a thing of the past.

Players and clubs are a hell of a lot more professional and footy clubs are business first.

I see the position MFC are taking as the next step in professionalism. In reality the club is saying that any player, no matter what the contractual situation is, is free to explore the market, but unless the club gets value for money, it will not facilitate a trade.

To my mind the club has to be prepared to back their words and accept either/both back into the playing ranks if a deal cannot be struck.

They have been up front about where they stand, now they need to back it up.

That's the second most sensible post in the last five days .

Thanks CHF.

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Clarry had multiple similar offers at the time.

Would anyone here be happy to lose him given his form at the time?

good question Jaded

and i’ve noticed no one will actually answer this directly.

He was the best player in the league at this stage. 31 brownlow votes. back to back coaches awards. The best player i’ve seen in red and blue (fan since ‘88)

But a long term deal?

Crazy!

Sure he had issues but wouldn’t you back yourself in to manage them? Offer him 3-4 years and he would obviously leave to get what he deserved