Pretty sure the job is Buckley's and has been all along. It's why the other big players have announced they are not available.

No point putting yourself up for a foregone conclusion.

Anyway, we wait and see...

5 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

He doesn’t tolerate mediocrity.

This may be true, but did he find a way of turning this personal philsophy into a practical coaching method? Theory into practice?

His results at Collingwood, apart from 2018 and 2019 were... kind of the definition of mediocre.

I think the Bucks idea is a good one but to think they will do it without a proper process is pretty dumb, of course they will go through the process they're not [censored].

Simpson whatever, didn't want him anyway he doesn't want to be a coach right now. Maybe someone else in the footy department would have been nice but oh well, not fussed.

Longmire has done great things but also not into it right now, fair enough, you need someone to want it.

John Ralph is a bit of a mug, just seems to like posting stuff, still they must get their stuff from somewhere. Really who cares what any of them say, if Bucks is the right man for the job then so be it he will inherit a great list of players who are already doing some very good things and he knows that. Would be great to see Jordan Lewis come in too so on that note bravo Ralphy you mug I think the club would do well to get guys like this who are not only big names and probably quite attractive to players and sponsors alike, but also they have been doing nothing but analyzing the game for a while now and both seem quote measured and reasonable.

Love the fact that Bucks really REALLY wants a flag too. I do worry how his personality would go with our playing list though trying to boss them around, that's my only worry, Goody has a wonderful relationship with the players and everyone knows it. Could someone like Bucks have a relationship that good? Doubtful but you never know.

16 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

but I don't believe there has ever been a coach that failed to win a flag in his first job, win one in his second job.

Malcolm Blight says hello.

Just now, grazman said:

Malcolm Blight says hello.

I was wrong. Thanks mate.

Just now, Adam The God said:

I was wrong. Thanks mate.

Like Buckley he fell agonisingly short with his first club, but the pay off second time round was huge. The Crom arguably wouldn't have won back to backs without him.

32 minutes ago, Greg Schneider said:

19 out of the last 20 flags have been won by first time coaches

What about Dimma with 3, Scott 2 and that hwathron mug....

Or do you mean recycled coaches?

6 minutes ago, Young Angus said:

I think the Bucks idea is a good one but to think they will do it without a proper process is pretty dumb, of course they will go through the process they're not [censored].

Simpson whatever, didn't want him anyway he doesn't want to be a coach right now. Maybe someone else in the footy department would have been nice but oh well, not fussed.

Longmire has done great things but also not into it right now, fair enough, you need someone to want it.

John Ralph is a bit of a mug, just seems to like posting stuff, still they must get their stuff from somewhere. Really who cares what any of them say, if Bucks is the right man for the job then so be it he will inherit a great list of players who are already doing some very good things and he knows that. Would be great to see Jordan Lewis come in too so on that note bravo Ralphy you mug I think the club would do well to get guys like this who are not only big names and probably quite attractive to players and sponsors alike, but also they have been doing nothing but analyzing the game for a while now and both seem quote measured and reasonable.

Love the fact that Bucks really REALLY wants a flag too. I do worry how his personality would go with our playing list though trying to boss them around, that's my only worry, Goody has a wonderful relationship with the players and everyone knows it. Could someone like Bucks have a relationship that good? Doubtful but you never know.

The love for Goody within the playing group did not exist throughout the whole team. Yes, there was a lot of love within most of the senior playing group, but there was also discord from the younger players and not a lot on confidence with the game plan. The player interviews coming out of the review last year came up with words like boring” when talking about game plan. Goody was told to change this.

4 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

I was wrong. Thanks mate.

There's also Robert Walls who left the Roys to coach Carlton - yuck. Unlike Blight he didn't take any time away from coaching.

Edited 9 hours ago9 hr by grazman

48 minutes ago, Demonic Dave said:

Could do worse then try for a Silvani double. Steven should be a good coach and Jack is a defender, ruck and forward. Very useful.

Oh my God 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮both horrendous individuals

Seems like every ex premiership coach is getting in early saying they dont want the job, even if they had no chance.

In that vein, I am not interested in coaching the MFC, but will continue with my various interests in the back yard.

19 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

There's little recent history, Malthouse being the last coach to win having coached elsewhere, but I don't believe there has ever been a coach that failed to win a flag in his first job, win one in his second job.

mechanically speaking, how does this work?

essentially you have the gameplan/strategy and the players

if the gameplan is not the best with low downside and huge upside you have no chance, and/or if the players dont have the skill to implement the strategy you have no chance.

so you are essentially betting that the coach will have the best strategy, and/or that the coach will get the players to execute the strategy well.

since so many second time coachews have failed, did they fail because their strategy wasn't the best or could they not get the players to execute the strategy?

additionally you dont know when the best strategy will fail, overtaken by a new one that nullifies the old ones upside and cannot defeat its new strength.

surely you would be moving towards AI.
analyze all teams strategies.
determine how they can meaningfully evolve
work out a new strategy that suppresses the others upsides while coming up with the next thing the opposition cannot compete with

29 minutes ago, Greg Schneider said:

19 out of the last 20 flags have been won by first time coaches

It’s a compelling stat but I also don’t think correlation = causation.

So few coaches get a second chance.

When they do it’s often Mick at Carlton, Eade at the Suns, Clarko at North where they’re in awful situations just trying to tread water to keep their job. Even if they weren’t good (or good so far for Clarko).

And some of the great premiership coaches are done after their stint. Lethal at Brisbane, Bomber at Geelong, Sheeds! Roosy as a serious long term coach. If those guys took jobs in their prime (and Lethal at Brisbane counts like that) they could’ve succeeded.

15 minutes ago, Nietaphart said:

The love for Goody within the playing group did not exist throughout the whole team. Yes, there was a lot of love within most of the senior playing group, but there was also discord from the younger players and not a lot on confidence with the game plan. The player interviews coming out of the review last year came up with words like boring” when talking about game plan. Goody was told to change this.

Ah I did not know this...interesting...cheers for the info.

48 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

I had a chat yesterday with some guys we regularly sit near at the footy. We discussed Buckley and all four of us agreed that none of us liked Buckley, so we were having to shift that in our heads, but that if Buckley won a flag with Melbourne instead, we wouldn't be complaining.

The second chance saloon is definitely an issue though. It would be unprecedented (correct me if I'm wrong) if Buckley won a flag having failed in his first time as a senior coach.

That doesn't mean you don't employ him, but he has to, pardon the pun, buck history.

Not quite unprecedented: Malthouse did not win a flag in his first coaching stint (Bulldogs '84-89) and neither did David Parkin (Hawks '77-80) with both going on to win three flags each.

I wouldn't summarise Buckley's time at the Pies as a failure. I'd say there were successes (turning over the list, improving culture, improving training standards) and failures (player relationships). If not for a Dom Sheed miracle he would be a premiership coach with a winning percentage of 53.6 from 218 games. Similar to Leigh Matthews time at Collingwood with one premiership and a winning percentage of 55.6 from 224. Matthews did alright in his second gig too.

All pretty unsurprising once Buckley said he would take the call the others would have been very shy of engaging. No doubt Simpson would have a very direct line to understanding where we are heading. Caro's very ham fisted intervention also suggests it heading in one direction. You would hope the Board had a pretty good idea of its options before it acted which doesn't mean its Buckley or bust just that they had an idea of the possible field and who they would entertain as realistic options.

Edited 8 hours ago8 hr by Robbie57

58 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

It’s a compelling stat but I also don’t think correlation = causation.

So few coaches get a second chance.

When they do it’s often Mick at Carlton, Eade at the Suns, Clarko at North where they’re in awful situations just trying to tread water to keep their job. Even if they weren’t good (or good so far for Clarko).

And some of the great premiership coaches are done after their stint. Lethal at Brisbane, Bomber at Geelong, Sheeds! Roosy as a serious long term coach. If those guys took jobs in their prime (and Lethal at Brisbane counts like that) they could’ve succeeded.

Absolutely.

And add to that, the majority of AFL teams in recent years are coached by first-time coaches and not retreads (currently 12 first-time coaches versus 5 retreads to my count, excluding us), so it would be surprising if they did not win the majority of premierships (although 19 of the last 20 is a lot).

I agree that the retreads are often in odd situations (of the current ones, Lyon at St Kilda, Clarkson at North, Scott at Essendon are in situations where it would have been surprising for them to do much of anything). Of the retreads who are in better situations, Hardwick has turned around GC, and Voss was always an odd choice. Our list profile and quality is a pretty good situation to walk into for a tried coach.

If it is Buckley, why the charade of a selection panel etc?

Established coaches eg Longmire, Simpson or highly rated Assistants that have gone thru 'the process' elsewhere and missed out, aren't going 'to apply'. A bit embarrassing to miss out.

It will unnecessarily slow down selection just to avoid the optics of 'lack of due process/good governance'. People get appointed all the time without a process: Goodwin, Hardwick (GCS) Brad Scott, Carr, Cox.

If its Buckley just do it! Don't waste everyone's time and precious time.

1 hour ago, Young Angus said:

Ah I did not know this...interesting...cheers for the info.

Really?

Its pretty common knowledge that this would occur at every single club.

Ignore what anyone's says on here that the players love Goody etc etc.. you may have that, but you also will have a group that will not like him and have zero trust in the game plan.

Anyone thats been heavily involved within footy circles whether thats at state league or community level would see this a lot as being a common occurrence.

2 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

Hird a No 😂 What a load of [censored]. Nobody asked him, nobody would.

What’s your next tweet Ralphy? Jock McHale and Tommy Hafey have withdrawn interest due to being dead?

Actually was stated by Hird himself, categorically said he was not interested in being a senior coach.

1 hour ago, Nietaphart said:

The love for Goody within the playing group did not exist throughout the whole team. Yes, there was a lot of love within most of the senior playing group, but there was also discord from the younger players and not a lot on confidence with the game plan. The player interviews coming out of the review last year came up with words like boring” when talking about game plan. Goody was told to change this.

Lever was on his way out before this news

McVee was disillusioned with false promises

Rivers furious the midfield role he trained for all summer was then given back to Viney and Oliver

I imagine only Pickett and Viney are truly upset at this news

6 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

Lever was on his way out before this news

McVee was disillusioned with false promises

Rivers furious the midfield role he trained for all summer was then given back to Viney and Oliver

I imagine only Pickett and Viney are truly upset at this news

Lol hopefully we change the locks on Lever before he's on the way back in

4 minutes ago, adonski said:

Lol hopefully we change the locks on Lever before he's on the way back in

Hahahaha

1 hour ago, speed demon said:

Not quite unprecedented: Malthouse did not win a flag in his first coaching stint (Bulldogs '84-89) and neither did David Parkin (Hawks '77-80) with both going on to win three flags each.

I wouldn't summarise Buckley's time at the Pies as a failure. I'd say there were successes (turning over the list, improving culture, improving training standards) and failures (player relationships). If not for a Dom Sheed miracle he would be a premiership coach with a winning percentage of 53.6 from 218 games. Similar to Leigh Matthews time at Collingwood with one premiership and a winning percentage of 55.6 from 224. Matthews did alright in his second gig too.

Parko coached the Hawks to the flag in 1978

On 07/08/2025 at 14:50, Demons11 said:

Voss supposedly staying at Carlton

He finished Voss, just delaying the inevitable.