1 hour ago, ElDiablo14 said:

What do you think is more embarrassing?

Losing down at Mordor with a nothing list? Or is it a 46 point capitulation with a team full of premiership players?

Simple question, simple answer.

Probably both equally embarrassing but at least the 186 has the caveat that the club was a basket case and full young inexperienced players. Yesterday? No excuses!

You obviously weren't at Geelong or you trade in hyperbole.

On 14/04/2025 at 12:04, Red and Blue Flame said:

The reference to a solid 3rd quarter against a mediocre club like Essendon says it all.

What a joke.

Brad Green is just as much of the problem - don't let anyone tell you otherwise. CEO or not, this club has needed to remove Goodwin since two straight sets finals exits.

We continually do not hold people to account for performance. The same players keep getting games, the same staff keep doing their job poorly. Tim Lamb's record of recruiting players from other clubs outside of May, Lever and Langdon is god awful in the 10 + years he's been at the helm.

The sooner someone with any balls on the board can move Goodwin, Richardson and Lamb on, the better.

So here we are again. Another letter from our President that says absolutely sweet FA. In fact, it's about as embarassing as the final qtr on Sunday.

We are putting ourselves years and years into the abyss of irrelevance yet again. All the work done prior to 2021 is unravelling at a rate of knots.

Interim or not, decisions have to be made and this rhetoric about Goodwin not being the problem is complete and utter nonsense. Fish rots at the head, and the club is devoid of any leadership.

Again, as I said earlier in the year: we do not hold people to account for their performance, coaching, recruitment or players. It is a complete farce and a very sad state of affairs.

I really don't understand the point of the letter if it's not discussing change or impact. Telling us you care and the club has standards is a given. I don't know who is giving the executive team advice on this sort of stuff. They write the letter for a a vocal minority who say things like "Where is our President" and "What is the board doing?". If they react after every bad loss we'd have 20 coaches a decade. Sunday was certainly unique and demanded a response in some way but honestly it would have been better to put together some sort of video from the captain or coach talking about the game and what went wrong. Letters like this are just "big daddy" coming along for the sake of it. I don't get it.

Just now, praha said:

I really don't understand the point of the letter if it's not discussing change or impact. Telling us you care and the club has standards is a given. I don't know who is giving the executive team advice on this sort of stuff. They write the letter for a a vocal minority who say things like "Where is our President" and "What is the board doing?". If they react after every bad loss we'd have 20 coaches a decade. Sunday was certainly unique and demanded a response in some way but honestly it would have been better to put together some sort of video from the captain or coach talking about the game and what went wrong. Letters like this are just "big daddy" coming along for the sake of it. I don't get it.

Brad Green is a running joke No idea The letter treated members as [censored]. I m so happy he is only interim

Did not need to refer to the alleged threat in my view. It may have been entirely unrelated to Goodwins coaching or tenure at the MFC Just deflection

Brad should wake up soon. He is going to carry the can and will be sacrificed by the people who really run the club

Another letter to members that says sweet [censored] all

The club absolutely had to stand up to the online threats against Goodwin that went too far, which Green's letter did. IMHO this is the only reason he wrote the letter.

Unfortunately the lion's share of supporters including myself were looking for the club to (also) make some sort of a statement on how the club will respond as a whole (incl. board) to a particularly devestating result in a season of ongoing disappointments that compounds on the 0-5 start we had to the year. The standards you walk past are the standards you're willing to accept. The letter merely acknowledging frustration and that the "Board and I are committed to doing everything required to have our AFL program performing at the level we all expect" doesn't really cut it.

Guys, relax, you're missing the point of the email. They ACKNOWLEDGE that we're not up to standard!

They're just like you and me, they are also very cranky. stomps foot - so very, very cranky, and it makes them want to just scream.

OK!? It's been acknowledged and they're cranky like you and me so we can all rest easy. It's not like we have already had a review into the club, because we weren't up to standard last year, and this year was supposed to be a bounce back into contention...

(BTS, we have lost Brad, if we hadn't already lost him before - swallowed up by the corporate spin machine)

We have two Brad green letter threads and the convo has become conflated between the two

Can we add month/year stamps to the headings, @Demonland ?

3 hours ago, Red and Blue Flame said:

So here we are again. Another letter from our President that says absolutely sweet FA. In fact, it's about as embarassing as the final qtr on Sunday.

We are putting ourselves years and years into the abyss of irrelevance yet again. All the work done prior to 2021 is unravelling at a rate of knots.

Interim or not, decisions have to be made and this rhetoric about Goodwin not being the problem is complete and utter nonsense. Fish rots at the head, and the club is devoid of any leadership.

Again, as I said earlier in the year: we do not hold people to account for their performance, coaching, recruitment or players. It is a complete farce and a very sad state of affairs.

I might go and put on the 3rd quarter of that Rd 5 game against Essendon to feel better..

May I just ask what did people want Brad Green to say in that letter that wasn’t included? I.e. was there not enough focus on how [censored] the performance was? Was it glossing over how angry the fans are?

Not defending it, just curious as to what people wanted him to be saying so close to the loss.

(Obviously outside of ‘we are sacking X’ as that’s probably a process that is difficult with out a President/CEO in place or without consultation in implementing a process to be able to tee up a coach)

1 hour ago, BoBo said:

May I just ask what did people want Brad Green to say in that letter that wasn’t included? I.e. was there not enough focus on how [censored] the performance was? Was it glossing over how angry the fans are?

Not defending it, just curious as to what people wanted him to be saying so close to the loss.

(Obviously outside of ‘we are sacking X’ as that’s probably a process that is difficult with out a President/CEO in place or without consultation in implementing a process to be able to tee up a coach)

Agree 100% - there's not much to say right now. Decisions have to be made, but they can't be made without the new president / CEO in place and it would make us look like we're panicking off field in the same way we did on field in the last quarter (and particularly the last 8 seconds).

So maybe it's better to say nothing? But then we have supporters / media saying we're hearing crickets from the president / the club and that obviously means they're ok with this result.

It's a no win position for Brad and the board. At a minimum he's saying the performance is not up to scratch (duh) and setting the foundations for change. Whereas last year a trade of Oliver / Trac was off the table... it seems like those sorts of things won't be this time round. (Maybe Goody too... but who knows)

We're all p!ssed off right now - but a knee [censored] reaction / statement will make us even less attractive for prospective players, coaches, other staff who WE NEED to attract to get better.

Basically Goody is staying , we are going to continue on our losing ways ! As I have said before perhaps the senior players do not want him as coach. We have so many premiership players in our team yet we are near the bottom of the ladder. I don't believe that players cannot adapt to different ways we play football. Sacrifices need to be made NOW otherwise we be in the doldrums for ever.

17 minutes ago, junk said:

Basically Goody is staying , we are going to continue on our losing ways ! As I have said before perhaps the senior players do not want him as coach. We have so many premiership players in our team yet we are near the bottom of the ladder. I don't believe that players cannot adapt to different ways we play football. Sacrifices need to be made NOW otherwise we be in the doldrums for ever.

It has a distinct 1968 vibe , four years after a flag, Premiership heroes still on tve list, poor coaching, poor administation stretching into tge abyss.

Drastic long term action required.

Pfft....this club will bleed members in 2026 if weasel words continue. We have instability at board and CEO level, we have coaches that can't fix basic issues and we have senior players who are unfit and have put the cue in the rack. Tough talk needed backed up with decisive action. We will not be a ruthless club with current philosophy. Spirit my rear end..Richardson, Tim Lamb and trade our under performers for players who actually have spirit. New leadership group needed and finally the coaches. Yes the coaching group that is all over the shop must change. Decisive and fast action must be taken, the club will lose money from corporates who wont put up with this. Totally unacceptable situation for everybody.

59 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

Agree 100% - there's not much to say right now. Decisions have to be made, but they can't be made without the new president / CEO in place and it would make us look like we're panicking off field in the same way we did on field in the last quarter (and particularly the last 8 seconds).

So maybe it's better to say nothing? But then we have supporters / media saying we're hearing crickets from the president / the club and that obviously means they're ok with this result.

It's a no win position for Brad and the board. At a minimum he's saying the performance is not up to scratch (duh) and setting the foundations for change. Whereas last year a trade of Oliver / Trac was off the table... it seems like those sorts of things won't be this time round. (Maybe Goody too... but who knows)

We're all p!ssed off right now - but a knee [censored] reaction / statement will make us even less attractive for prospective players, coaches, other staff who WE NEED to attract to get better.

I think it was good that he said something, shows someone is driving the ship even if it is just window dressing. But I’m agnostic on what was written in there to be honest.

And yes, I don’t really know if there’s anything that could be said to satisfy people (which I think is justified considering it’s arguably the one of the greatest losses ever basically), but I’m of the opinion saying nothing would’ve come across as even worse.

And your last statement is very very true, we don’t need this to blow up anymore than it already has so I think I’m ok with a conservatively written statement like the one penned.

What a [censored] show, haha

I feel like I need to step in to return serve to the people criticising the comparisons to 186 as it was the first post I made in the Postgame thread on Sunday seconds after the siren.

In no way am I comparing the severity of these two results, it is obvious which one is worse. But in terms of embarrassment? The not wanting to show your face in public feeling? Personally I haven't felt the the levels reach that height since 186. The only game that comes close since then is Rd 2 2016 and losing to a bunch of VFL replacement players.

Those of you who cannot see why such a comparison would be made need to look beyond the basic mechanics of final scores and margins. The two games were obviously poles apart but the level of utter humiliation wasn't. Not to mention the timing of when these results occurred (coach under serious pressure and the club in disarray). In some ways 186 was easier to deal with because the result was a forgone conclusion for 4 quarters. The club has at least held its nerve for 2 days before swinging axes, had the emotion reach fever pitch levels like 2011 we could have seen the same action and then I'm sure it would have felt very familiar.

I couldn't give a damn how close the game was, is that really supposed to be some kind of comfort? Really? This club set some amazing standards for a brief period but great teams do not set records like these, it simply doesn't happen and it is completely indefensible when it does happen. Taking comfort out of blowing a 46 point lead just because it was a close game compared to 186? Give me a spell.

And honestly, how much more comfort do people want to take out of the nearly finals wins in 2023 if not for inaccuracy and one player being injured? Kicking goals is a very important part of the sport and we have had probably a dozen games since then where we 'would have won if we kicked straight'. I'm getting tired of hearing it, after that long it's no longer a good cop out line. Games are decided by goals, you either kick them or you don't. They don't give a Nobel Peace prize for attempted chemistry.

I've said a ton of times that I've been undecided on Goodwin and will credit things he's done even this year but this narrative using our inaccuracy to support his case as a coach needs to stop.

I know Brad doesn't like to be seen as/called an interim president.

But with nowhere [censored] like this, acknowledging frustration and anger... we're not in the position we want to be... (??!), he is well and truly an interim president with no vision and no cojones.

DO SOMETHING. ANYTHING.

The last one of those emails sounded the same. BS corporate speak. And here we are, in the same place, arguably worse.

To refresh your memory. From April this year:

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"I’m writing to acknowledge what has been a disappointing start to the season. Sitting at 0–5 isn’t the standard we expect of ourselves, and we know it’s frustrating, for our members, supporters, and everyone inside the club.

What I can assure you of is that we have a determined group of players and coaches who will drive the team’s response".

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In case you missed it, lots of acknowledging, frustration, and not meeting standards.

What happened from there? Response? Fleeting, and inconsistent.

5 minutes ago, layzie said:

I feel like I need to step in to return serve to the people criticising the comparisons to 186 as it was the first post I made in the Postgame thread on Sunday seconds after the siren.

In no way am I comparing the severity of these two results, it is obvious which one is worse. But in terms of embarrassment? The not wanting to show your face in public feeling? Personally I haven't felt the the levels reach that height since 186. The only game that comes close since then is Rd 2 2016 and losing to a bunch of VFL replacement players.

Those of you who cannot see why such a comparison would be made need to look beyond the basic mechanics of final scores and margins. The two games were obviously poles apart but the level of utter humiliation wasn't. Not to mention the timing of when these results occurred (coach under serious pressure and the club in disarray). In some ways 186 was easier to deal with because the result was a forgone conclusion for 4 quarters. The club has at least held its nerve for 2 days before swinging axes, had the emotion reach fever pitch levels like 2011 we could have seen the same action and then I'm sure it would have felt very familiar.

I couldn't give a damn how close the game was, is that really supposed to be some kind of comfort? Really? This club set some amazing standards for a brief period but great teams do not set records like these, it simply doesn't happen and it is completely indefensible when it does happen. Taking comfort out of blowing a 46 point lead just because it was a close game compared to 186? Give me a spell.

And honestly, how much more comfort do people want to take out of the nearly finals wins in 2023 if not for inaccuracy and one player being injured? Kicking goals is a very important part of the sport and we have had probably a dozen games since then where we 'would have won if we kicked straight'. I'm getting tired of hearing it, after that long it's no longer a good cop out line. Games are decided by goals, you either kick them or you don't. They don't give a Nobel Peace prize for attempted chemistry.

I've said a ton of times that I've been undecided on Goodwin and will credit things he's done even this year but this narrative using our inaccuracy to support his case as a coach needs to stop.

I hate to say it and this might [censored] a lot of people off, but I’m just being completely honest. In 20 years, this demons team is going to be remembered as chokers.

‘yeah they won a premiership in 21, then lost 4 finals in a row, crashed down the ladder and suffered one of the worst losses ever to an average Saints team’

Nobody is going to give two [censored] that we ‘almost won’ those finals, that we had injuries or whatever.

It brings me no joy, but that’ll be the story.

That’s why this loss is way worse than 186.

I have rarely heard non-Melbourne supporters bring up 186, if ever.

This Saints loss will be remembered and ties a neat bow around this [censored] era.

I think a lot of us feel so angry, because this loss is a bookend to a wasted era.

If others disagree, then that’s fine.

I personally don’t think it’s ok that this team produced 1 flag. I’m actually so dirty about it.

I once sat sat a table next to Brad Green at a China Bar and he had duck from memory.

2 minutes ago, BoBo said:

I personally don’t think it’s ok that this team produced 1 flag. I’m actually so dirty about it.

flags are tough to win so it's not necessarily that we haven't won another one

its that we never came close

poor conversion and choking in consecutive finals cost use in 23. some people comfort themselves that we were "close". we were not close. same old story

2 minutes ago, BoBo said:

I hate to say it and this might [censored] a lot of people off, but I’m just being completely honest. In 20 years, this demons team is going to be remembered as chokers.

‘yeah they won a premiership in 21, then lost 4 finals in a row, crashed down the ladder and suffered one of the worst losses ever to an average Saints team’

Nobody is going to give two [censored] that we ‘almost won’ those finals, that we had injuries or whatever.

It brings me no joy, but that’ll be the story.

That’s why this loss is way worse than 186.

I have rarely heard non-Melbourne supporters bring up 186, if ever.

This Saints loss will be remembered and ties a neat bow around this [censored] era.

I think a lot of us feel so angry, because this loss is a bookend to a wasted era.

If others disagree, then that’s fine.

I personally don’t think it’s ok that this team produced 1 flag. I’m actually so dirty about it.

I agree to some extent.

We had the list capable winning more then one. But you gotta acknowledge that flags are incredibly hard to win.

We should know by now that even making finals is hard enough as it is but getting to the end of the mountain and sticking the flag in is just next level difficult.

I actually would have accepted it even in those years had we actually won some finals and contended all the way to preliminary final stage but unfortunately we didn't.. it was straight up two years in a row of straight finals losses..

I can't cop that at all. Inexcusable really.

Edited July 29Jul 29 by dazzledavey36

4 minutes ago, BDA said:

flags are tough to win so it's not necessarily that we haven't won another one

its that we never came close

poor conversion and choking in consecutive finals cost use in 23. some people comfort themselves that we were "close". we were not close. same old story

Yep fair point.

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I agree to some extent.

We had the list capable winning more then one. But you gotta acknowledge that flags are incredibly hard to win.

We should know by now that even making finals is hard enough as it is but getting to the end of the mountain and sticking the flag in is just next level difficult.

I actually would have accepted it even in those years had we actually won some finals and contended all the way to preliminary final stage but unfortunately we didn't.. it was straight up two years in a row of straight finals losses..

I can't cop that at all. Inexcusable really.

Yep that’s totally fair.

6 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

The club absolutely had to stand up to the online threats against Goodwin that went too far, which Green's letter did. IMHO this is the only reason he wrote the letter.

Unfortunately the lion's share of supporters including myself were looking for the club to (also) make some sort of a statement on how the club will respond as a whole (incl. board) to a particularly devestating result in a season of ongoing disappointments that compounds on the 0-5 start we had to the year. The standards you walk past are the standards you're willing to accept. The letter merely acknowledging frustration and that the "Board and I are committed to doing everything required to have our AFL program performing at the level we all expect" doesn't really cut it.

I might not be properly informed. But the online threats sounded fairly banal.

Shouldn’t happen obv, but seemed an unserious level of stupid behaviour.

8 hours ago, jackaub said:

Brad Green is a running joke No idea The letter treated members as [censored]. I m so happy he is only interim

Did not need to refer to the alleged threat in my view. It may have been entirely unrelated to Goodwins coaching or tenure at the MFC Just deflection

Brad should wake up soon. He is going to carry the can and will be sacrificed by the people who really run the club

I think the threat was the probably the main point of the letter. That is why he referred to it. And so he should. Threats like that are appalling and whoever made it should be dealt with - harshly- by the courts.