2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No we weren’t. Get real

Our offense was amateur hour and it’s been in that category for 2-3 years

Where is the Development of any key Forwards???

Genuinely one of the worst takes ever read.

We lost by 35 and yet somehow we were the better team?

Disco has had a mare with that comment.

2 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

If JVR not capable then switch him to the backline as third tall and Turner up forward.

Turner is a mile ahead of JVR in terms of forward craft (mobility) comtested marking and pressure (closing speed etc) inside 50 when the oppo gets it.

I'd be making the above move (and should've happened today from half time) until Petty and/or Lever return.

Simon has to be one of the worst H&A match day coaches in terms of seeing and swinging in the changes that might help towards winning games when the writing is on the wall early on that you simply won't win playing the present configuration.

It was so obvious how today was going to pan out it became laughably predicable.

Many around me were also seeing it the same way and making similar assessments at half time.

Edited Saturday at 09:192 days by Demon Dynasty

Just gotta say. It’s flaming hard to be z demon supporter sometimes

2 minutes ago, 640MD said:

Just gotta say. It’s flaming hard to be z demon supporter sometimes

Give it 6 or so decades and you learn a thing or two about coping ;)

Sadly... seen all of this before

2 hours ago, jaydenh10 said:

i thought roo did great in the ruck today?

Not expecting much but barely competed in the air and was pantsed at ground level.

He has no motor and mostly caught flat footed when the ball hits the deck. Also loses his feet far too often in the contest.

He has regressed badly this season in almost all aspects unfortunately bar the odd decent tackle.

Again our captain let us down with his goal kicking. He had a chance to get us on the right path at the start of the final quarter & butchered it again.

We know how good maxy is obviously but it does get frustrating.

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Genuinely one of the worst takes ever read.

We lost by 35 and yet somehow we were the better team?

Disco has had a mare with that comment.

Nobody knows more about having bad takes than you so I’m genuinely honoured that you’ve finally passed on the title to me 😢—thanks chief.

I’d like to take this opportunity to also thank myself for seeing the many many positives in our game instead of being a bitter angry poster who shows up on this forum solely to week after week say our team and half the players on it suck.

I’m sure it’s been mentioned - but what a great moment when Oliver received the ball on the burst in the first. The crowd was awesome and the kick to Sparrow was perfect.

1 minute ago, Disco InTurno said:

Nobody knows more about having bad takes than you so I’m genuinely honoured that you’ve finally passed on the title to me 😢—thanks chief.

I’d like to take this opportunity to also thank myself for seeing the many many positives in our game instead of being a bitter angry poster who shows up on this forum solely to week after week say our team and half the players on it suck.

Absolutely there were positives. Langford and our willingness to actually take the game on. The pressure we applied was up as well.

But we lost by 35 points in the end. We weren't the better team because we lost. Anyone that says that is far too easily pleased and accepts mediocrity which you are well known around here.

9 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Again our captain let us down with his goal kicking. He had a chance to get us on the right path at the start of the final quarter & butchered it again.

We know how good maxy is obviously but it does get frustrating.

Had plenty of mates who missed from closer, I think Max has given a lot & pushed us over the line , it’s time others stepped up

Edited Saturday at 09:322 days by Demonsone

3 things really stood out to me today watching from the stands.

We too often get sucked into the middle of the ground from both ends simultaneously. The oppo forwards get space back and when we have the ball our forwards are too far up the ground and we end up with no one to kick to.

Our basic skills are diving off a cliff. Error filled disposal from a team filled with premiership players is bizarre.

We clearly don't do enough goal kicking practice. At least 5 set shots were missed within 40m and that's unacceptable.

Changes for next week?

Out : Fritsch, Jeffo, Tholstrup, McVee

In : AJ, Melksham, Viney, Petty

Respectfully i think Clarry did enough to keep his spot, fritsch has no pressure factor at all and melksham at least kicks 1 a game and dishes off a few and tackles a bit, Tholstrup of the 4 early picks over the last two years is struggling the most, AJ because I think at least two talls in the fwd line is needed and he is a better chop out in the ruck than roo and he provides pressure as well, Petty has sticky hands, mcvee didn't perform as well as the rest of the back group today

I wish we had two discos. One forward and one back, bloke gets to the right spots regardless of what end he plays.

Edited Saturday at 09:322 days by Yarra Valley Demon
Grammar

2 hours ago, Adam The God said:

What? We transitioned the ball beautifully many times and had them on toast for three quarters.

Did you watch the game?

Did you watch the game?

You can’t be serious asking Swyl a question about the game or anything to do with tactics.

The king of quotes he heard on World of Sport

Edited Saturday at 09:312 days by Pennant St Dee

% of inside 50s that resulted in a goal

AFL Average Approx 23% - 24%

Hawks 28.6%

Demons 14.6%

We are so frustrating to watch, time after time.

It’s like Deja Vu .

Work their butts off for no reward.

Ineffective forward line with our main target Butter fingers Van Rooyen can’t take a mark to save himself

Fritter is just a shadow of his former self.

It’s disappointing and very frustrating to see the same thing happening year after year .

12 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Again our captain let us down with his goal kicking. He had a chance to get us on the right path at the start of the final quarter & butchered it again.

We know how good maxy is obviously but it does get frustrating.

Max has carried this side all season and his miss was far from the worst today. That shot he had was also off the back of 3 contested marks in 90 secs all over the ground to help keep the ball in our forward half.

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Binman! Do you now see where my negative attitude stems from? Your two CPF's had blinders again. Sorry but I could not help myself. To all those who think we have a good team need to open their eyes. We need at minimum a 2 year rebuild of our forward line. Jefferson, JVR and Fullerton will not take us into finals ever.

O.D. agree time needed, but possibly getting someone who knows what the f@#! they are doing might be handy also . We' horrid forward, truly abhorrent.

I thought it was a really good game til 3/4 time and was very pleased at our hardness and endeavour.

I thought the umps sshould have been subbed out by half time.

Langford took a hit early and is going to be a sstar.

Why does the Roo go for everything one armed? (And the medical staff came out to him at least 3 times.)

Oliver going through the motions.

Fritta is out there to kick goals and if he doesnt....

The kids played well and our experienced defenders leaked goals in the last.

The result was as I expected but we are developing some good young players.

We played well and had we taken our chances and the umpires opened their eyes I think we could have got ourselves 4-5 goals up. We need better fitness to run the game out and we still can’t kick 35m goals. Really disappointing result, change a few things as be we win that

Langford was fantastic.

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Absolutely there were positives. Langford and our willingness to actually take the game on. The pressure we applied was up as well.

But we lost by 35 points in the end. We weren't the better team because we lost. Anyone that says that is far too easily pleased and accepts mediocrity which you are well known around here.

Look I don’t mean to sound flippant but can you explain to me what your expectations are for this team this season? I genuinely cannot figure it out.

I feel like I’ve seen you say many times that we don’t have the list to make a run this year. But then you and so many others still seem enraged when we don’t win and there are shortcomings on our list.

So is it not better to be pleased by the fact that we played better than a likely top 6 (maybe 4) team for much of the game and, with better umpiring, likely would’ve been up by quite a bit coming into the 4th?

I don’t expect to win a premiership this year. I expect us to play fairly well in spurts. And we did that today.

14 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

% of inside 50s that resulted in a goal

AFL Average Approx 23% - 24%

Hawks 28.6%

Demons 14.6%

That is damning, it shows around the ground we compete well and win enough contests but then our efficiency to make it result in a score is deplorable.

I unfortunately was only able to watch bits of the final quarter, is this game as simple as when we had the ascendancy we failed to take our chances and when they were on top they did?

Also, those maggots that missed the Kozzie blatant free-kick should be dropped. If ever there was an opportunity at a "captains challenge" that would've been it. Blind Freddy saw it FFS.

What was the free kick count at the end?

Just some casual observations.

Incredibly frustrating to watch us butcher set shots again.

We have improved a lot since the last match I watched a month ago but still have a lot to work on if we are to challenge for finals next year

We need to get games into Adam’s this year

I personally don’t think Jake Lever is a big out with the way the game is currently played

We need to find a way to get back into the first round of the draft this year

If we sacked our fitness boss this week I wouldn’t be disappointed

I am not convinced a couple of our youngsters will live up to their draft positions

I hope Kozzie plays his entire career with us

2 hours ago, No10 said:

Clearly I’m typing with eyes closed. We were the better team.

JVR looks everything he should be, just can’t break out. I see it as just a matter of time and when he does, it will stick.

Oliver has a journey back but I believe in him 1000%, just hope it’s with us. Trac, Gawn. Gods. The youth are incredible, Lindsay was excellent, Langford sublime. Windsor set himself a high standard. Kolt should’ve started. There’s a lot of improvement from McVee. Fritch was playing on Sicily which is no small task, thought he did ok.

Honestly, it seems like a team that should be contending. That’s my frustration, the chemistry isn’t chemisting.

Good post, that. We’re close to it sticking. Or we’re not, and we’ll continue stinking. This goal stinking continues from that 2023 finals series. The stink must be addressed. It’s Ian Baker-Finch level driving yips.

13 minutes ago, Pates said:

That is damning, it shows around the ground we compete well and win enough contests but then our efficiency to make it result in a score is deplorable.

I unfortunately was only able to watch bits of the final quarter, is this game as simple as when we had the ascendancy we failed to take our chances and when they were on top they did?

Also, those maggots that missed the Kozzie blatant free-kick should be dropped. If ever there was an opportunity at a "captains challenge" that would've been it. Blind Freddy saw it FFS.

The abc radio commentators said the same thing. Everyone did. Those umpires should not umpire for a month

14 minutes ago, Pates said:

That is damning, it shows around the ground we compete well and win enough contests but then our efficiency to make it result in a score is deplorable.

I unfortunately was only able to watch bits of the final quarter, is this game as simple as when we had the ascendancy we failed to take our chances and when they were on top they did?

Also, those maggots that missed the Kozzie blatant free-kick should be dropped. If ever there was an opportunity at a "captains challenge" that would've been it. Blind Freddy saw it FFS.

Our forward line and they way we deliver it in (including lack of finesse, poise, decent decision making, forward craft and finish in front of goals) has now been farcical for at least 2.5 seasons now Pates.

That is fully on the coach who has had this group under his wing for an eternity now and who must have had a significant say in the retention of Stafford and the then appointment of Chaplin who is also in charge of team offence.

The time for excuses is up. Our method of play and effectiveness forward of center is a complete and utter failure at all levels against pretty much anyone other than the worst rated teams where we sometimes look fair to ok.