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1 hour ago, Demonstone said:

Apart from Nibbler, can you name the others on this "long list"?

Grundy, Harmes and Weideman in the last couple of years just off the top of my head…

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    2 minutes ago, Dee Boys said:

    Grundy, Harmes and Weideman in the last couple of years just off the top of my head…

    I think all were moved on rather than ‘losing’ them.

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    13 hours ago, Go Ds said:


    Will this help?

    Where's Wally? - Unscrambled.sg

    I can see Wally but where’s Windsor. lol.!!!

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    17 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

    I think all were moved on rather than ‘losing’ them.

    When did anyone argue otherwise?

    I just responded to a post asking which players have left while under contract.

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    1 hour ago, Demonstone said:

    Apart from Nibbler, can you name the others on this "long list"?

    Jesse Hogan

    Brodie Grundy

    Jack Watts

    Sam Weideman 

    ANB

    James Harmes 

    Dom Tyson

    Brayden Pruess

    We also attempted to trade both Tom McDonald and ANB at the end of 2020.

    Now most of them all had different situations going on and were traded for different but regardless, they were still contracted and we still demonstrated that we are willing to trade players whilst under contract.

    On Kozzie, he is contracted to 2027. Unless there is some family sensitivity involved similar to ANB then he stays. If he is wanting to go to Freo purely to play with a bunch of mates then that's a [censored] excuse and should be held until his contract finishes.

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    4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    I'm not entirely sure if this is true.

    There has been a long list of players that have previously left the club still under contract.

     

    Probably right dazzle but can’t think of any that were under contract and we wanted to keep,(ANB maybe) Jackson but out of contract.

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    5 minutes ago, Dee Boys said:

    When did anyone argue otherwise?

    I just responded to a post asking which players have left while under contract.

    Fair enough. I think the comment was more to holding players to contracts when they are required, as opposed to never trading contracted players. 

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    Thanks for your response, @dazzledavey36.

    That's more names than I realised, but Nibbler would be the only one we didn't want to lose at the time.

    I'm sure we'd all love to have Hogan back playing for us now,  but it was the correct move then.

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    14 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

    Thanks for your response, @dazzledavey36.

    That's more names than I realised, but Nibbler would be the only one we didn't want to lose at the time.

    I'm sure we'd all love to have Hogan back playing for us now,  but it was the correct move then.

    I don't think a lot of people wanted to lose Hogan. Or Harmes.  

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    5 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

    I don't think a lot of people wanted to lose Hogan. Or Harmes.  

    Maybe not at the time, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say.

    Hogan went to Freo and stunk it up (we got a Premiership fullback) while Harmes is fringe/depth only.

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    33 minutes ago, Katrina Dee Fan said:

    I don't think a lot of people wanted to lose Hogan. Or Harmes.  

    I loved Hoges, still do. 

    We had the opportunity to take him back at the end of 2020 and set up a meeting him and his manager. After the meeting said thanks but no thanks and then that's when we went after Ben Brown.

    I love BB and will be thankful for his contribution during the premiership year, but a part of me thinks imagine the combination of JVR and Hogan right about now...

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    31 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    I loved Hoges, still do. 

    We had the opportunity to take him back at the end of 2020 and set up a meeting him and his manager. After the meeting said thanks but no thanks and then that's when we went after Ben Brown.

    I love BB and will be thankful for his contribution during the premiership year, but a part of me thinks imagine the combination of JVR and Hogan right about now...

    That's a real shame if we passed on him at the time. But perhaps it was best for Hogan to get completely out of the footy bubble and enjoy life as a relative nobody in Sydney.

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    Would have been magnificent to get him back and in the form he currently is. I'd take him over Ben Brown any day of the week and I'm surprised we passed if we had the opportunity to take him.

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    1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    I loved Hoges, still do. 

    We had the opportunity to take him back at the end of 2020 and set up a meeting him and his manager. After the meeting said thanks but no thanks and then that's when we went after Ben Brown.

    I love BB and will be thankful for his contribution during the premiership year, but a part of me thinks imagine the combination of JVR and Hogan right about now...

    Sorry, we turned down Hoges or the other way around?
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing. But did anyone know Brown would be a lost (injured) cause a couple of years later, or that a player that didn't quite make it went even worse at a second club but somehow would then improve miles at a 3rd club? Surely such a turnaround is very rare.

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    35 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

    Would have been magnificent to get him back and in the form he currently is. I'd take him over Ben Brown any day of the week and I'm surprised we passed if we had the opportunity to take him.

    Keep in mind he was an absolute mess off-field at the time and couldn’t get his body right, so you can see the club’s point of view. Easy in hindsight, but he’s exactly the player we lack at the moment.

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    On 09/02/2025 at 22:11, titan_uranus said:

    That’s what you took from that?

    It’s arguably (maybe inarguably) the most open/candid interview he’s ever given. Which may not be saying much given he’s renowned for being a deadpan closed book, but makes the interview insightful all the same.

    An incredibly insightful interview, and we are all incredibly better of for it.. Incredibly!?

    Edited by picket fence

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    1 hour ago, Go Ds said:

    Sorry, we turned down Hoges or the other way around?
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing. But did anyone know Brown would be a lost (injured) cause a couple of years later, or that a player that didn't quite make it went even worse at a second club but somehow would then improve miles at a 3rd club? Surely such a turnaround is very rare.

    we elected to pursue ben brown over him; worked out well, what with the premiership and all

    the story that has been told is that there were certain mandates that the club would have required him to adhere to and he was not comfortable in doing so

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    26 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

    we elected to pursue ben brown over him; worked out well, what with the premiership and all

    the story that has been told is that there were certain mandates that the club would have required him to adhere to and he was not comfortable in doing so

    And so other cĺubs weren't putting the same mandates then? Or. Were sugar coating requirements???

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    1 hour ago, Go Ds said:

    Sorry, we turned down Hoges or the other way around?
    Hindsight is a wonderful thing. But did anyone know Brown would be a lost (injured) cause a couple of years later, or that a player that didn't quite make it went even worse at a second club but somehow would then improve miles at a 3rd club? Surely such a turnaround is very rare.

    We informed Hogan's management of our desire not to go ahead.

    Brown came to the club with ongoing knee issues as well.

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    3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    I loved Hoges, still do. 

    We had the opportunity to take him back at the end of 2020 and set up a meeting him and his manager. After the meeting said thanks but no thanks and then that's when we went after Ben Brown.

    I love BB and will be thankful for his contribution during the premiership year, but a part of me thinks imagine the combination of JVR and Hogan right about now...

    I love Brown but it’s a real sliding doors moment in hindsight 

    Although who knows if Hogan could have had the same impact as Brown in the last third of 2021 - he was absolutely pivotal to us winning the flag 

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    9 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    I'm not entirely sure if this is true.

    There has been a long list of players that have previously left the club still under contract.

     

    This reply is what is known as arguing for the sake of" mundane communication syndrome" (MCS)

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    55 minutes ago, demoncat said:

    I love Brown but it’s a real sliding doors moment in hindsight 

    Although who knows if Hogan could have had the same impact as Brown in the last third of 2021 - he was absolutely pivotal to us winning the flag 

    He was, but Hogan was also making good impact for GWS in the back half of that year and around finals.

    Ita sliding doors for sure but the team was absolutely humming from all lines that I think either player would have done well regardless.

    37 minutes ago, Wizard of Koz said:

    This reply is what is known as arguing for the sake of" mundane communication syndrome" (MCS)

    And this response of someone who is in denial or self-justification. 

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    2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    We informed Hogan's management of our desire not to go ahead.

    Brown came to the club with ongoing knee issues as well.

    I always felt we'd get first option on him after the amicable way that he left us so that would make sense. Back in 2020 I can see why they went for Brown but there was a bit of buyer beware with both.

     

     

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    Sliding doors moment:

    We choose Hogan oven BBB at the end of 2020.

    We miss Brown’s impact in late 2021 and either lose the GF in Perth or don’t make it at all.

    We win the flag at the G in 2023 over Collingwood or Brisbane with a functional forward line, namely a reliable  J Hogan nailing the shots we collectively blew in both finals. We had most of the ingredients in 2023, but we just needed to duck down to Coles or Woolies to grab some icing on the cake in Hogan.

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