David King’s Preseason Training Observations

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35 minutes ago, Go Ds said:

You're slightly right. But didn't Brisbane lose their first 3 games last year? And isn't the Freo game a practice match?

I’m talking about Freo in season but the practice match will offer some insight 

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On 03/02/2025 at 11:26, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

If you're a St Kilda supporter you must be wondering where the club is at. Whether you agree with King's rather laboured approach to this particular analysis or not, St Kilda seems to have been going backwards year after year since Ross Lyon's appointment.

There was a very good conversation on SEN yesterday about this - essentially, have they simply over performed with the list they have, and have they done enough to bring in early elite talent? 

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16 minutes ago, BLWNBA said:

There was a very good conversation on SEN yesterday about this - essentially, have they simply over performed with the list they have, and have they done enough to bring in early elite talent? 

Summed up by Jack Higgins last minute goal, pushing them back from pick 5 to pick 7 in the draft

Travalgia and Tauru could have been Langford and Smillie (Battle compo)

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Just pace yourselves with the AFL media everyone, marathon not a sprint..

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1 minute ago, layzie said:

Just pace yourselves with the AFL media everyone, marathon not a sprint..

They treat it as a sprint… a constant, never ending sprint

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2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

 

I've always rated King's analysis.

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Mouths for hire throwing darts. 

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48 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

 

King’s onto us

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1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

 

It's actually a really measured analysis by King.

Cornes on the other hand is just flat out embarrassing for a bloke paid to discuss footy.

I mean, his lack of knowledge is mind blowing. Just so lazy 

I don't mind he picked us to win less than 11 games in and of itself. But, honestly who could respect or take that analysis seriously?

He asks a reasonable question - where will the improvement come from?

And he's right that we didn’t strengthen our side in any major way with our trading.

But he doesn't mention we added two first round draft picks, one being a a top 5 pick who will almost certainly play round one - and improve us.

He doesn't mention the natural improvement of young players like Windsor, Turner and Kolt.

He mentions gus and notes we didn't have him last year. But doesn't note we were down 4 senior players (smith, spargo, gus and brown) all last season, so basically played with a list of 40 not 44 (and didn't have melk for more than half the season or McAdam for much of it, or as King noted tracc from round 13).

At this stage we are starting the season with a list of 44, which is a big improvement right there.

And most of all he doesn't mention the two obvious areas of potential improvement- a much better situation in terms of injuries and a preseason that is miles better than last year in terms of the percentage of players doing most sessions and a much smaller rehab group.

His comment about us having a 'brand new' game plan this year reflects his laziness - just two days ago the Hun had a huge interview with goody who said that we implemented a new game LAST SEASON, only reverting to the old method at the butt end of the season.

I get cornes is all about clicks and controversy but that discussion was nominally supposed to be some sort of analysis. Just pathetic.

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3 minutes ago, binman said:

It's actually a really measured analysis by King.

Cornes on the other hand is just flat out embarrassing for a bloke paid to discuss footy.

I mean, his lack of knowledge is mind blowing. Just so lazy 

I don't mind he picked us to win less than 11 games in and of itself. But, honestly who could take respect or take his analysis seriously?

He asks a reasonable question - where will the improvement come from. And he's right that we didn’t strengthen our side in any major way with our trading.

But he doesn't mention we added two first round draft picks, one being a a top 5 pick who will almost certainly play round one - and improve us. 

He doesn't mention the natural improvement of young players like Windsor, Turner and Kolt.

He mentions gusand notes we didn't have him last year. But doesn't note we were down 4 senior players (smith, spargo, gus and brown) all last season so basically played with a list of 40 not 44 (and didn't have melk for more than half the season or McAdam for much of it)

At this stage we are starting tge season with a list of 44, which is 

And most of all he doesn't mention the two obvious areas of potential improvement- a much better situation in terms of injuries and a preseason that is miles better than last year in terms of the percentage of players doing most sessions and a such smaller rehab group.

And his comment about us having a 'brand new' game plan this year reflects his laziness - just two days ago the Hun had a huge interview with goody who said that we in fact implemented a new game LAST SEASON only reverting to the old method at the butt end of the season.

I get cornes is all about clicks and controversy but that discussion was nominally supposed to be some sort of analysis. Just pathetic.

Cornes is the Andrew Bolt of footy

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Anyone else think Kingy is now working for Lumon Industries?

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20 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Cornes is the Andrew Bolt of footy

Cornes isn’t that bigger clown

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34 minutes ago, binman said:

It's actually a really measured analysis by King.

Cornes on the other hand is just flat out embarrassing for a bloke paid to discuss footy.

I mean, his lack of knowledge is mind blowing. Just so lazy 

I don't mind he picked us to win less than 11 games in and of itself. But, honestly who could respect or take that analysis seriously?

He asks a reasonable question - where will the improvement come from.

And he's right that we didn’t strengthen our side in any major way with our trading.

But he doesn't mention we added two first round draft picks, one being a a top 5 pick who will almost certainly play round one - and improve us.

He doesn't mention the natural improvement of young players like Windsor, Turner and Kolt.

He mentions gus and notes we didn't have him last year. But doesn't note we were down 4 senior players (smith, spargo, gus and brown) all last season, so basically played with a list of 40 not 44 (and didn't have melk for more than half the season or McAdam for much of it, or as King noted tracc from round 13).

At this stage we are starting the season with a list of 44, which is a big improvement right there.

And most of all he doesn't mention the two obvious areas of potential improvement- a much better situation in terms of injuries and a preseason that is miles better than last year in terms of the percentage of players doing most sessions and a much smaller rehab group.

And his comment about us having a 'brand new' game plan this year reflects his laziness - just two days ago the Hun had a huge interview with goody who said that we implemented a new game LAST SEASON, only reverting to the old method at the butt end of the season.

I get cornes is all about clicks and controversy but that discussion was nominally supposed to be some sort of analysis. Just pathetic.

You didn't mention Oliver. Maybe because his likely improvement is so obvious.

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36 minutes ago, binman said:

It's actually a really measured analysis by King.

Cornes on the other hand is just flat out embarrassing for a bloke paid to discuss footy.

I mean, his lack of knowledge is mind blowing. Just so lazy 

I don't mind he picked us to win less than 11 games in and of itself. But, honestly who could respect or take that analysis seriously?

He asks a reasonable question - where will the improvement come from.

And he's right that we didn’t strengthen our side in any major way with our trading.

But he doesn't mention we added two first round draft picks, one being a a top 5 pick who will almost certainly play round one - and improve us.

He doesn't mention the natural improvement of young players like Windsor, Turner and Kolt.

He mentions gus and notes we didn't have him last year. But doesn't note we were down 4 senior players (smith, spargo, gus and brown) all last season, so basically played with a list of 40 not 44 (and didn't have melk for more than half the season or McAdam for much of it, or as King noted tracc from round 13).

At this stage we are starting the season with a list of 44, which is a big improvement right there.

And most of all he doesn't mention the two obvious areas of potential improvement- a much better situation in terms of injuries and a preseason that is miles better than last year in terms of the percentage of players doing most sessions and a much smaller rehab group.

And his comment about us having a 'brand new' game plan this year reflects his laziness - just two days ago the Hun had a huge interview with goody who said that we implemented a new game LAST SEASON, only reverting to the old method at the butt end of the season.

I get cornes is all about clicks and controversy but that discussion was nominally supposed to be some sort of analysis. Just pathetic.

cornes has always been a complete [censored]

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35 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Cornes is the Andrew Bolt of footy

That's an insult to both of them, fair enough 😄

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27 minutes ago, Go Ds said:

You didn't mention Oliver. Maybe because his likely improvement is so obvious.

I thought about it, as cornes didn't mention that likely improvement either.

Oliver is covered under the better preseason and less injuries catch all - but you're right, if clarry gets back to anywhere near his best that alone would make us significantly better than last season.

I mean, bloke is one of the best players I have seen play, one of tge best of the modern era.

Edited February 11 by binman

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Kane Cornes the cheerleader for Hawthorn and how great they have been in turning their list around said the below leading into the 2023 season, he’s a moron

 

Kane Cornes and Matthew Lloyd are both worried Hawthorn may be cutting too deep, with the potential to lose Tom Mitchell, Jaeger O’Meara, Jack Gunston, Ben McEvoy and Liam Shiels in one off-season.

The moves would leave 31-year-old Luke Breust as the most senior player on the list, with Chad Wingard (29), Sam Frost (29) and James Sicily (27) the next oldest.

 

They will have cut nine of their 13 oldest players from their 2021 list and Cornes believes it is exposing a young core that isn’t quite ready.

“I think it’s about the balance for me. They’ve got these players leaving and yes they’re going to the draft, but they’re not going to the draft with anything significant from the Tom Mitchell trade, or the O’Meara trade,” he told AFL Trade Radio.

“You can still go to the draft, keep the experienced players around you and the best example of it is what Collingwood did.

“I mean, you’re giving yourself no chance next year. Collingwood finished 17th the previous year. They kept Taylor Adams, Darcy Moore, Scott Pendlebury, Mason Cox, Jeremy Howe, Steele Sidebottom, they kept the experience around them, but they also invested in youth and gave them opportunity.

“What Hawthorn is essentially doing is saying ‘we’ve got no hope, we’re essentially tanking’.

“I rate Sam Mitchell highly as a coach, but not many coaches survive three or four years of a hard rebuild. I can see it being ugly for two or three more years.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matthew Lloyd believes the Hawks don’t yet have the elite core of young players to carry their future hopes.

“I think the Hawks have some good young players, but they don’t have the cream of the crop. That’s where it’s going to be a really tough season next year,” Lloyd said.

“I really like Will Day, he’s got to get a really good pre-season into him. He’s injured a lot, he needs to get stronger, he hasn’t got the muscle tone he probably needs, but I can see what he does. He’s going to be an elite player.

“Josh Ward was pick seven, you hope he goes on. He’s a workmanlike player at this point, but you’d hope he can become like Andrew Brayshaw. Connor MacDonald was taken in the 20s, but it will be interesting to see how dire it is going to be for a year or two and I think they are cutting too thin.”

Hawthorn hopes to add Fremantle ruckman Lloyd Meek before the end of the trade period, but will attempt to work out trades for both Mitchell and O’Meara.

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cornes changes who he froths over on a fortnightly basis, and lloyd hasn't had an opinion that he won't immediately flip on based on the last person that he's spoken to about it

they're both terrible

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22 hours ago, Brownie said:

Cornes is the Andrew Bolt of footy

What an asinine comment.

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3 hours ago, Gator said:

What an asinine comment.

one of the great underused words in the english language

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9 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

one of the great underused words in the english language

And so many opportunities to use it in the modern world, especially in relation to Cornes and Bolt. Pity we forgot to teach English as an important language. 🤦‍♂️

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