Email from Peter Lawrence

[FreedFromDesire 563]

32 minutes ago, Dr Don Duffy said:

You have been a reasonable and fair correspondent on these matters, FFD, and I can see why you would say that. Two points I would make here are that he has been active on these matters of better governance for a number of years now (and his efforts have been responsible for meaningful change in that regard, for which we should be grateful), so it’s not as though he’s coming out of the blue; and secondly (and related to that), the board came out with a very poor email within an hour of the handing down of the Federal Court decision, and I can see why he would see the need to provide some correction to that material. 

Not suggesting that this is your motive FFD, but politicians and those wishing to avoid scrutiny trot out the phrase “Now is not the time to…(insert name of action that’s needed)”, generally when there is a bit of crisis around, which is often exactly the time where a clear-headed and external review is needed.

All very fair comments. I didn't particularly like the email from Kate either, both in content and tone. I do agree with you about the political delay tactics that often happen, and I'm very keen for change and feel it's coming whether this current board wants it or not, I was just suggesting perhaps Mr Lawrence could have waited a couple of weeks before sending this communication. To me, just the timing of it I think will hinder his cause as there's a bit of 'closing of ranks' going on among supporters at the moment as they feel somewhat victimized by all the recent goings on.

My gut feeling is Mr Lawrence has perhaps 'done his dash' now with his attempts to get onto the board, so I hope he can find another way to meaningfully contribute to the club. I'm not sure issuing a survey in the current climate is the best way to do that. Personally, I would love to see him channel the positivity I've seen from him previously, particularly about AFLW, into driving some positive change agendas.

[Cyclops 502]

16 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Whoops forgot to quote, but elected unopposed

 

In order for a poll of votes to happen; you need more candidates to be nominated than there are seats. In an English parish council for example, there might be 7 councillors to be elected, yet only five villagers get nominated. In this example, everyone who was nominated is automatically elected unopposed.

Saty, in your example and election was called and a date set for it. With the MFC for 10 or 12 years no election was called.

[Dr Don Duffy 76]

43 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

There will always be challengers and that's also a good thing, as for a review yes, but only for the football department and that's where it is needed.

Absolutely! After all, the board and senior management of the club is totally not responsible for the actual business of the organisation, they are just there to, well…whatever!

When you have the “best football culture I’ve seen in 40 years in football” sprouted by our Best in Show CEO we should all be sleeping soundly!

[BDA 22,231]

I got the email

Too much noise around our club for too long.

The instinct for self-preservation is as strong in organisations as it is in individuals. No one likes being reviewed but regular reviews are good governance.

I voted in favour of an independent review. If conducted properly it can only be a good thing. Terms of reference key. Get the best in the business and empower them to leave no stone unturned.

 

 

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

1 minute ago, Cyclops said:

Saty, in your example and election was called and a date set for it. With the MFC for 10 or 12 years no election was called.

I always received a letter or email or proxy form, as there were only 3 nominees or whatever for 3 positions, elected unopposed, not sure which bit you are not getting.

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

2 minutes ago, BDA said:

I got the email

Too much noise around our club for too long.

The instinct for self-preservation is as strong in organisations as it is in individuals. No one likes being reviewed but regular reviews are good governance.

I voted in favour of an independent review. If conducted properly it can only be a good thing. Terms of reference key. Get the best in the business and empower them to leave no stone unturned.

 

 

Review what though? List the issues, nobody has up to now and the reason they need to be reviewed.

And cue.......

 

 

Edited August 28 by Satyriconhome

[drysdale demon 4,673]

1 hour ago, Stretch Johnson said:

I am guessing all members received the email.

My question is who is he and how in a hell full of demons did he get my email address?

He didn't send me one, it is not in junk, I feel unwanted.

[Red But Mostly Blue 4,407]

SO conflicted on this one.

I don't like how Peter has done this, and there certainly seems to be (despite assertions to the contrary) an element of ego here. I also am not happy with Peter taking us the court following a pretty turbulent period for the club - with other court time during this period - and the board/coach/culture noise...

... but, I am also not happy with how the year went, and there are obviously a multitude of reasons for that - of which bad luck is no doubt a part - but certainly not the sole reason for the poor season. Maybe there is a culture thing, maybe there isn't. Maybe the Board is great, maybe it isn't. Maybe the answer is, as it usually is, somewhere in the middle, and there are things we could do differently, or better. But we won't know until there is a review. A proper review, not one conducted internally, which isn't worth even the digital comms it will be contained in. 

I am also against the establishment remaining the establishment because they prevent outsiders, non-establishment, folk - the peasants - from being a part of these boards - which are usually appointed due to who you know/where you studied/worked etc. So there's that. The whole unopposed/unelected thing is a little off for me. 

Anyway, there's no final view in my post if you're looking for one. Just wanted to unhelpfully point out that this is a real pickle. But, yeah, super annoying to have our details shared under operation of the law. But I get it (both sides). Kind of.

Unhelpful post over.

[daisycutter 29,259]

well i didn't get the email, and i normally get all club email so they must hold my correct email address

[Cyclops 502]

3 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I always received a letter or email or proxy form, as there were only 3 nominees or whatever for 3 positions, elected unopposed, not sure which bit you are not getting.

Sorry Saty, I don't  get any of it. Seems your email or letter was received after the election that was never gazetted or held. You can't be elected without an election.

[BangBnagBang 578]

I'lll listen to him when he pays the 1000 of dollars back to the club for the court cost

[Guest]

Let's not conflate the issues. 

1. The club needs at lot of work.  I want to see a good review.

2.What I don't need is some peanut going to court to get my private details which I hold very sacred.

The last thing I want is to have said peanut responsible for point 2 to have anything to do with the running of my football club.

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[BDA 22,231]

2 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Review what though? List the issues, nobody has up to now and the reason they need to be reviewed.

And cue.......

 

 

Why do you need issues to have a review? I’m reviewed annually. My firm is reviewed every 3 years.

if the review shows a clean bill of health then great. Everybody can pipe down.

seeng as you did ask the club embroiled in legal cases and wasting valuable and scarce resources on legal costs is reason enough to question the boards judgment. What’s going on with the home base. Comms from Pert and Kate recently have been disingenuous to say the least. We’re in the media every day one the week.

there are plenty of reasons. 

 

 

[demon3165 2,560]

3 minutes ago, Cyclops said:

Sorry Saty, I don't  get any of it. Seems your email or letter was received after the election that was never gazetted or held. You can't be elected without an election.

If there are no challenges to the current board members during an election and are restanding or anyone filling a position then they are elected to the board unopposed. 

[demon3165 2,560]

1 minute ago, BDA said:

Why do you need issues to have a review? I’m reviewed annually. My firm is reviewed every 3 years.

if the review shows a clean bill of health then great. Everybody can pipe down.

seeng as you did ask the club embroiled in legal cases and wasting valuable and scarce resources on legal costs is reason enough to question the boards judgment. What’s going on with the home base. Comms from Pert and Kate recently have been disingenuous to say the least. We’re in the media every day one the week.

there are plenty of reasons. 

 

 

Oh so the home base is on this board is it, at the moment we have 2 and won a premiership so let's see how caulfield works out, Lawrence brought this one on himself not the board as for the other not sure if that's still going, as for the media who cares the write what they want to write just remember we had one journo say people were leaving and those people resigned to the club.

[Roost it far 7,330]

1 hour ago, Kent said:

Bring it on Roost

It’s just my vibe, I have no inside knowledge.

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

Make Melbourne Great Again?

 

More like winter in a Game of Thrones kind of way. 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,053]

23 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

well i didn't get the email, and i normally get all club email so they must hold my correct email address

Mine went to spam dc.

[daisycutter 29,259]

2 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Mine went to spam dc.

lol ... i wasn't complaining ... just a little curious

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

32 minutes ago, Cyclops said:

Sorry Saty, I don't  get any of it. Seems your email or letter was received after the election that was never gazetted or held. You can't be elected without an election.

It is sent out with the notification of the AGM, which I have attended every year for the last 15.

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

30 minutes ago, BDA said:

Why do you need issues to have a review? I’m reviewed annually. My firm is reviewed every 3 years.

if the review shows a clean bill of health then great. Everybody can pipe down.

seeng as you did ask the club embroiled in legal cases and wasting valuable and scarce resources on legal costs is reason enough to question the boards judgment. What’s going on with the home base. Comms from Pert and Kate recently have been disingenuous to say the least. We’re in the media every day one the week.

there are plenty of reasons. 

 

 

It was not the Club that started the legal issues, we have 2 driven by 2 egos who think they have been wronged.

What do you want Pert to say "we have nothing to report on the Home Base" If there is progress I assume we will be informed, probably during the AGM unless Lawrence and his little band of sycophants try and disrupt it again with meaningless questions.

What are the reasons?, nobody has said what they are and I am not expecting anybody to provide any, it is just mob rule.

A clean bill of health for what?

"What do we want?"...."Er' When do want it?"..."What?"

Edited August 28 by Satyriconhome

[Jaded No More 67,532]

Only those who have something to hide, refuse to open the curtains. 

Every good organisation with as many share holders as ours, should undertake regular reviews, regardless of performance. And any review should be done independently and without agendas. 

[Cyclops 502]

8 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

It is sent out with the notification of the AGM, which I have attended every year for the last 15.

OK, Saty. Look at our constitution. These people who you say are "elected unopposed" without the benefit of an election are in fact "deemed to be elected". Look it up or refer to the transcription of one of 15 AGM'S you have attended.

Edited August 28 by Cyclops

[demon3165 2,560]

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

It was not the Club that started the legal issues, we have 2 driven by 2 egos who think they have been wronged.

What do you want Pert to say "we have nothing to report on the Home Base" If there is progress I assume we will be informed, probably during the AGM unless Lawrence and his little band of sycophants try and disrupt it again with meaningless questions.

What are the reasons?, nobody has said what they are and I am not expecting anybody to provide any, it is just mob rule.

A clean bill of health for what?

"What do we want?"...."Er' When do want it?"..."What?"

I have asked 2 people to provide facts about the board and got nothing, people go on heresy as fact or listen to the media and assume it's true, anyone just show facts.

[Cyclops 502]

48 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

He didn't send me one, it is not in junk, I feel unwanted.

The email, of course, was not sent to those under 18 years of age? Nor was it sent to those who are not financial.

[demon3165 2,560]

9 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Only those who have something to hide, refuse to open the curtains. 

Every good organisation with as many share holders as ours, should undertake regular reviews, regardless of performance. And any review should be done independently and without agendas. 

We are not shareholders...

A stakeholder is anyone who is impacted by a company or organization's decisions, regardless of whether they have ownership in that company. Shareholders are those who have partial ownership of a company because they have bought stock in it. All shareholders are stakeholders, but not all stakeholders are shareholders.

Edited August 28 by demon3165