The Watch with Ben Gibson | Tom Morris

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3 hours ago, Longsufferingnomore said:

Only listened up to 20 minute mark but found it very interesting. What I don't understand is his comment that Melbourne got rid of Hogan when he didn't want to go. From my understanding and what was I thought, a well known reason for him going to back to WA was that he wanted to go home. He was unhappy in Victoria despite being very close to some of the players at Melbourne. We facilitated that move. 

Does anyone have any background to Morris comment.

We moved Hogan on so we could get May. He wasn't leaving at that stage, still had a year to go but there was a risk he would leave the following season. That's my understanding/memory anyway.

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4 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

https://www.3aw.com.au/sam-mcclure-gives-the-latest-on-the-unfolding-situation-at-melbourne/

A slightly different report from Sam McClure (who, I know, is going to give the same reaction to many on here as Tom Morris).

In this grab he says that Trac has already asked to be traded, and the request has been denied. I'm not sure that's been reported before.

Perhaps that is the reason he hasn't said anything this week. Perhaps Morris report that "if he were out of contract he'd ask for a trade" is indeed wrong, but not for the reasons some want to think. It's wrong because the truth is that he's already asked, but the club is refusing because he's contracted. Hence the Pert and Goodwin "he'll be here next year because he's contracted" remarks. 

Food for thought.

Just makes it worse really. Requested a trade, knocked back and now leaked.

As I said before, he must be happy with the club squirming. 

Hmmmmmmmmmm…..

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We moved Hogan on so we could get May. He wasn't leaving at that stage, still had a year to go but there was a risk he would leave the following season. That's my understanding/memory anyway.

He was pushed. We weren’t considering the remainder of his contract and any RFA type chats. We didn’t want him.

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3 hours ago, Demon17 said:

A good story to an editor is one that generates high click rate. Nothing else 

My inside knowledge is that trac is needy for attention and always has been. But not leaving. Wants to be loved and back in a successful team. Pretty much like all of us.

Morris has misconstrued agendas and come up with a product. Selling papers though so mission accomplished.

Petracca coming out the next day to say it's garbage, there's issues being worked through but he has no thoughts of leaving, wants the club to get back to challenging for flags etc proves it's just clickbait with no basis in reality, right?

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10 minutes ago, JJJ said:

Just makes it worse really. Requested a trade, knocked back and now leaked.

As I said before, he must be happy with the club squirming. 

Hmmmmmmmmmm…..

I didn’t hear that part….when was it said?

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14 minutes ago, JJJ said:

Just makes it worse really. Requested a trade, knocked back and now leaked.

As I said before, he must be happy with the club squirming. 

Hmmmmmmmmmm…..

To be clear though, in the OP linked podcast Tom Morris suggests he hasn't asked for a trade, on the basis that he doesn't want to and have to then deal with the request being denied.

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nobody watches the real housewives of Melbourne. The AFL media isnt any better than that

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I find it hard to believe that this footy department, which won a flag 3 seasons ago, wouldn’t be receptive to Trac’s feedback on performance, which then led him to go public with his grievances. It’s not like it’s Ablett at the Gold Coast here. I hear guys like May say the Melbourne way, and many media people say we train the hardest (King in particular).

I wonder if it’s more to do with this current group’s flag prospects over the next few years. Morris did say “direction of the club”. Trac has his brand and he knows he’s probably only at his peak for 3-4 more years. 
 
I can’t wait until he breaks his silence, but he has a lot work to do to make it up to this playing group. Tomorrow’s game is almost a side-show for the media. Goody wasn’t even asked about the game this weekend during his presser.

 

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8 hours ago, Gator said:

It's childish to attack Morris over a story that is clearly true.

Right now, Petracca would walk out of the club if he could.

Blaming Morris for shedding light on the story lacks intellect.

You should be grateful you've been informed.  Now it's in the open hopefully the right changes will be made.

If Morris, or lets say a Wilson, Purple, whoever get the facts right, I have no issue with the reporting. But when there is joyful glee at delivering the bad news with added editorial comment presented as fact I have a serious problem. Tall poppy syndrome is a thing, and there are media darlings and those sent straight to the stockades. Morris ‘slants’ what he says every time, I don’t respect this from someone who has never played the game or put himself out there in trying to do something. He is a critic not a creator and he should show more respect for those he slams publicly. A set of straight teeth and a firm opinion of oneself doesn’t mean merde in terms of credibility.  

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8 hours ago, cookieboc said:

nobody watches the real housewives of Melbourne. The AFL media isnt any better than that

I do…. I love Gina. 
 

Just saying…. 
 

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10 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

This victim mentality garbage is pathetic (not singling you out, I've seen similar comments across the site, just happened to respond to your post). If you can't tell the difference between Collingwood, Geelong and us you've got rocks in your head or just being wilfully ignorant.

My rocks are Bach and Bruckner and Beethoven. And, yes, I can tell the difference between Collingwood, Melbourne and Geelong, and not only because of their jumpers ( Jack Flash). The main differences are to do with the fact that Geelong and Collingwood play interstate about once every Leap Year, even the Collingwood coach admits it's why they get so many free kicks and non free kicks, i.e. when home crowd umps look the other way, and umpire with their ears, why Melbourne has played Geelong at the MCG once in two centuries, and not one E Colli Wobbler has ever been in strife for Missing De Meaners outside footy hours, and every Geelong player has always loved their coach, ditto Collingwood. 

Yes, Herr Doctor Gonzo, the Demons are the victims of Media Cruelty and I have lodged a complaint with the RSPCA. By the way, do you Bulk Bill?

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11 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

https://www.3aw.com.au/sam-mcclure-gives-the-latest-on-the-unfolding-situation-at-melbourne/

A slightly different report from Sam McClure (who, I know, is going to give the same reaction to many on here as Tom Morris).

McClure has been so far off in the last 12 months, both in his 'opinions' and 'mail'. I'd trust Morris far more than McClure.

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7 hours ago, DEE fence said:

If Morris, or lets say a Wilson, Purple, whoever get the facts right, I have no issue with the reporting. But when there is joyful glee at delivering the bad news with added editorial comment presented as fact I have a serious problem. Tall poppy syndrome is a thing, and there are media darlings and those sent straight to the stockades. Morris ‘slants’ what he says every time, I don’t respect this from someone who has never played the game or put himself out there in trying to do something. He is a critic not a creator and he should show more respect for those he slams publicly. A set of straight teeth and a firm opinion of oneself doesn’t mean merde in terms of credibility.  

I fully agree.

Jon Ralph is one that annoys the hell out of me.  On more than one occasion he stated that Petty was desperate to get back to Adelaide.  This wasn't true, it was merely Ralph's slant, or added editorial comment, as you put it.  Petty would have happily gone home, but Ralph's exaggerations were erroneous. 

There's no doubt there's joy (and exaggerations) in the reporting of Melbourne's current malaise.

But I want to reiterate, I'm only interested in facts, as best as I can ascertain them.

I'll let others take the emotive route.

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Morris was wrong in the podcast with his comment that Melbourne pushed Jesse Hogan out (pursued relentlessly by Fremantle, suffered from the death of his Dad, treated for testicular cancer wanted to be close to family, and sent a message of gratitude to Melbourne supporters once the deal - which Melbourne almost walked away from - was done), but otherwise Morris comes across as pretty genuine.

I know plenty of people don't want to hear that because he has such a punchable head, but I was impressed with his professionalism. And he is right - footy fans don't understand mass media.

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1 hour ago, Gator said:

I fully agree.

Jon Ralph is one that annoys the hell out of me.  On more than one occasion he stated that Petty was desperate to get back to Adelaide.  This wasn't true, it was merely Ralph's slant, or added editorial comment, as you put it.  Petty would have happily gone home, but Ralph's exaggerations were erroneous. 

There's no doubt there's joy (and exaggerations) in the reporting of Melbourne's current malaise.

But I want to reiterate, I'm only interested in facts, as best as I can ascertain them.

I'll let others take the emotive route.

Just like footballers, you get a varying degree of performance and reliability from football journalists - Including some whom you may not like their personality, but their performance is beyond question. Ralph's commenting that Tom Sparrow was holding off talks and Adelaide were seemingly interested just hours before his re-signing was announced I think indicate the quality of his newsbreaking abilities.

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Where is the evidence Tracc requested a trade? Without evidence its just footy pub talk and thugish journalism.

Are they saying they know for a fact? No - pub talk.

The Dees followed all the right processes which was ticked off by the AFL. Cant do any more than that.

Tracc is contracted and that is it.

What is culture? Define it?  I wish Goody would ask that question of the interviewer when asked. 

We have had many games where the team has had the most 22 and under players. I think we have done ok and are building.

It will all blow over in due course.

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On 16/08/2024 at 19:14, Bitter but optimistic said:

It is unfair to criticise a terrific player and clubman over this matter as there is still a question mark about Tracc's health.

 He may simply feel too bloody crook and tired to enter the media fray.

We should withhold any judgements until the truth comes out. 

Honest question..

How do you feel after both Clarry and Spargo went up to QLD?

and Petracca stayed in Melbourne to have a meeting with Lachie Neale?

🤔

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4 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Honest question..

How do you feel after both Clarry and Spargo went up to QLD?

and Petracca stayed in Melbourne to have a meeting with Lachie Neale?

🤔

Tracc may not be able to fly due to his condition. Jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts is exactly what the media are doing.

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1 minute ago, manny100 said:

Tracc may not be able to fly due to his condition. Jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts is exactly what the media are doing.

He flew to the Sunshine Coast a couple of weeks ago... Just saying.

Spargo was on crutches btw.

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11 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Honest question..

How do you feel after both Clarry and Spargo went up to QLD?

and Petracca stayed in Melbourne to have a meeting with Lachie Neale?

🤔

Has this been confirmed anywhere? 

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16 minutes ago, manny100 said:

Where is the evidence Tracc requested a trade? Without evidence its just footy pub talk and thugish journalism.

Are they saying they know for a fact? No - pub talk.

The Dees followed all the right processes which was ticked off by the AFL. Cant do any more than that.

Tracc is contracted and that is it.

What is culture? Define it?  I wish Goody would ask that question of the interviewer when asked. 

We have had many games where the team has had the most 22 and under players. I think we have done ok and are building.

It will all blow over in due course.

The deafening silence from Christian on this controversy is telling. After Pert sent out the club letter, not putting words in Petracca’s mouth but just stating that he is valued, contracted and going nowhere, the obvious confirming response should have come next day from Petracca. Then we could all move on. But no there has been nothing, just crickets, so Pert finds himself fronting the media again to explain what’s going on. That was this morning and still nothing from Tracc but a huge statement gameday by Viney, the kids and Max. Everyone is up north for the club song except Tracc. Not a great look for him and I reckon Pert & Co aren’t too happy. 

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1 minute ago, ElDiablo14 said:

He flew to the Sunshine Coast a couple of weeks ago... Just saying.

Spargo was on crutches btw.

Hmmm, he may have pre arrangements ok'd by the club? We do not know? In any case if he has an issue with the club no doubt he will move on from it in due course. The steps the Dees took with his injury were ticked off by the AFL. 

If there was fault it was with the standard practices used by clubs. I believe they have been changed now and players are required to get internal scans.

 

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6 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

The deafening silence from Christian on this controversy is telling. After Pert sent out the club letter, not putting words in Petracca’s mouth but just stating that he is valued, contracted and going nowhere, the obvious confirming response should have come next day from Petracca. Then we could all move on. But no there has been nothing, just crickets, so Pert finds himself fronting the media again to explain what’s going on. That was this morning and still nothing from Tracc but a huge statement gameday by Viney, the kids and Max. Everyone is up north for the club song except Tracc. Not a great look for him and I reckon Pert & Co aren’t too happy. 

Until Tracc or his manager asks for a trade then its speculation and unverified gossip. If he does ask for a trade then the answer is no unless a deal is to good to be true.

The footy world will make of it what they will.  Footy commentators are not bound by fact. They are permitted to express opinions and they do this primarily to feather their own nests.

In any case they say time heals. The biggest cop out of all time was Tim Watson saying do not believe any Tracc denials. You just cannot win.

quote from interview:

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Petracca also addressed reports that his family had become frustrated with the Melbourne Football Club.

Although he denied those reports, he admitted there was some “degree of frustration” just in general as some acquaintances were prevented from seeing him and kept in the dark.

“During the situation, it was heightened emotion for everyone — not just my family, but my fiancée and myself,” he said."

AFL superstar Christian Petracca fights back tears as new details emerge about ‘traumatic’ injuries | 7NEWS

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Just now, Redleg said:

He may have been told not to fly by Doctors. Suffered life threatening injuries. We don’t know.

He was allowed to fly to Noosa… seems unlikely