Redleg 42,197 Posted September 6, 2024 Posted September 6, 2024 On 06/09/2024 at 01:41, Jaded No More said: Hasn't that worked out well for them. They've been the envy of the AFL for so long Expand Funny show Schitt’s Creek. Quote
whatwhat say what 23,910 Posted September 6, 2024 Posted September 6, 2024 On 06/09/2024 at 01:36, Jaded No More said: Lucky for us footy clubs are not in the business of screwing each other. What comes around goes around. We traded more than fairly for McAdams, and Adelaide will not want to short change us on Nibbler. In this business, you get a lot more done being fair than you do stomping your feet like a petulant child. Just ask Dodoro. Expand kornes would definitely encourage some tantrums being thrown and picks refused ...which is why he'd struggle to maintain working relationships in an ongoing work situation Quote
Dee*ceiving 1,738 Posted September 6, 2024 Posted September 6, 2024 (edited) On 02/09/2024 at 12:31, DeeSpencer said: Personally I think it’s great we honoured Nibbler although I do wish the messaging was a little firmer on the trade - if it needs to be. But I will recognise we don’t know how much work has been done on a trade already and I suspect most of trade week is theatre. And ultimately he’s contracted to us so we do have the final leverage if Adelaide got really stupid. He can FIFO for games! That said, getting lessons in the art of the deal from Hutchy who bought and sold a bunch of New Zealand radio stations at a massive loss, yeah nah. I bet you could find Hutchy praising teams for ‘mature’ list management decisions in other years. Expand Agree. I suspect an in principle agreement was made before the announcement. Saying SA initially, vs just Crows was setting out some burley to see if PA might chip in with an offer, perhaps tied to Houston. Once PA didn't have a decent sniff ANB declared the Crows. Class act ANB and well managed by the Dees, honoured a favorite son and avoided unecessary drama (pleasingly) Edited September 6, 2024 by Dee*ceiving 4 Quote
whatwhat say what 23,910 Posted September 7, 2024 Posted September 7, 2024 (edited) On 02/09/2024 at 12:31, DeeSpencer said: Personally I think it’s great we honoured Nibbler although I do wish the messaging was a little firmer on the trade - if it needs to be. But I will recognise we don’t know how much work has been done on a trade already and I suspect most of trade week is theatre. And ultimately he’s contracted to us so we do have the final leverage if Adelaide got really stupid. He can FIFO for games! That said, getting lessons in the art of the deal from Hutchy who bought and sold a bunch of New Zealand radio stations at a massive loss, yeah nah. I bet you could find Hutchy praising teams for ‘mature’ list management decisions in other years. Expand in fairness to hutchy he bought the wildcats for $8m and then sold them for $40m three years later he definitely knows how to spend other people's money Edited September 7, 2024 by whatwhat say what Quote
DeeSpencer 26,719 Posted September 7, 2024 Posted September 7, 2024 On 07/09/2024 at 01:05, whatwhat say what said: in fairness to hutchy he bought the wildcats for $8m and then sold them for $40m three years later he definitely knows how to spend other people's money Expand That deal saved his bacon and I reckon he was lucky there was a crazy millionaire in Perth who decided he had to have them. Although basketball was a smart growth market to identify and he could use SEN to cross promote. Quote
whatwhat say what 23,910 Posted September 7, 2024 Posted September 7, 2024 On 07/09/2024 at 01:15, DeeSpencer said: That deal saved his bacon and I reckon he was lucky there was a crazy millionaire in Perth who decided he had to have them. Although basketball was a smart growth market to identify and he could use SEN to cross promote. Expand the words yr after are 'correctly read the market and made a motza as a result' Quote
Mach5 4,768 Posted September 8, 2024 Posted September 8, 2024 On 03/09/2024 at 04:14, Jaded No More said: Exactly right I suggest we try and bundle this pick, as well as the other second rounder we have which is tied to Sydney (from the Grundy trade), and try to move down the draft order. There are a number of clubs who need points for bidding. Expand Move up the order to what end? I think we’d be pretty happy with 5 unless we clearly think there is a Harley Reid type that is clearly better than others & I don’t think that’s the case (Lalor?). In such a deep draft I’d think 25 is a good pick to have. Unless you’re meaning 25, 38 & 45 for Brisbane or Essendon’s first? Quote
Jaded No More 68,976 Posted September 8, 2024 Posted September 8, 2024 On 08/09/2024 at 22:45, Mach5 said: Move up the order to what end? I think we’d be pretty happy with 5 unless we clearly think there is a Harley Reid type that is clearly better than others & I don’t think that’s the case (Lalor?). In such a deep draft I’d think 25 is a good pick to have. Unless you’re meaning 25, 38 & 45 for Brisbane or Essendon’s first? Expand I mean bundle our second and third round picks to get back into the first round, or get better second round picks. So for example can we bundle our third round pick, plus the 2nd rounder that's tied to Sydney and get a better second round pick in return? I don't think we can do much with pick 5. We will take it to the draft. 3 Quote
YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,843 Posted September 9, 2024 Posted September 9, 2024 (edited) On 28/08/2024 at 12:29, spirit of norm smith said: Crows get ANB and MFC pick 51 Dees get Crows pick 25 and 42 that’s fair. Expand Awesome call Norm. 👍 If what the draft gurus are telling us is true there will still be a handy player available at pick 42 or a bundle up picks option. This will make up for the overs we gave up for McAdam. In return they recieve a finals proven, reliable multifunctional player that they will get good footy out of for 3 to 4 years. Edited September 9, 2024 by YesitwasaWin4theAges 1 Quote
Little Goffy 14,991 Posted September 9, 2024 Posted September 9, 2024 We're getting Ollie Wines. It's been cooking for 12 months. 1 Quote
DeelightfulPlay 2,725 Posted September 9, 2024 Posted September 9, 2024 On 09/09/2024 at 01:39, Little Goffy said: We're getting Ollie Wines. It's been cooking for 12 months. Expand Or fermenting, like any good wine? 😋 2 2 Quote
Ugottobekidding 1,244 Posted September 9, 2024 Posted September 9, 2024 On 09/09/2024 at 00:16, YesitwasaWin4theAges said: Awesome call Norm. 👍 If what the draft gurus are telling us is true there will still be a handy player available at pick 42 or a bundle up picks option. This will make up for the overs we gave up for McAdam. In return they recieve a finals proven, reliable multifunctional player that they will get good footy out of for 3 to 4 years. Expand So McAdam was worth pick 25 and so is a much better player in ANB? Not really a good deal. Quote
Little Goffy 14,991 Posted September 9, 2024 Posted September 9, 2024 On 09/09/2024 at 01:53, Ugottobekidding said: So McAdam was worth pick 25 and so is a much better player in ANB? Not really a good deal. Expand I guess it was supposed to be closer to pick 35 than 25. It was still pick 30 with about five weeks to go in the season. Even so, ANB is criminally underrated and our trade compensation will be criminally below his real worth, and it is looking very much like we got barrelled in the McAdam trade. It is quite possible we were so exhausted from calculating the permutations of multiple other possible trades which never eventuated that we just didn't quite sustain the concentration and were too focused on just getting something, anything, done. Best value I can see out of Nibbler trade would be as part of a traditional Demon wild shenanigan package which comes together for an additional pick in the first round - Brisbane's 14 is the obvious target given it would be burned by the Ashcroft price anyway. Quote
YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,843 Posted September 9, 2024 Posted September 9, 2024 On 09/09/2024 at 01:53, Ugottobekidding said: So McAdam was worth pick 25 and so is a much better player in ANB? Not really a good deal. Expand Pick 42 also, just trying to keep it realistic. Do you think we're a chance for a 1st rounder or future 1st? Quote
YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,843 Posted September 9, 2024 Posted September 9, 2024 On 09/09/2024 at 01:53, Ugottobekidding said: So McAdam was worth pick 25 and so is a much better player in ANB? Not really a good deal. Expand McAdam was a 3rd rounder at best, we got hoodwinked big time. We need to get more than pick 25 back this year for this supposed crop of talent on offer. Thought @spirit of norm smith suggestion of pick 25 and 42 for ANB would represent good business. Quote
Mach5 4,768 Posted September 9, 2024 Posted September 9, 2024 On 06/09/2024 at 01:22, rpfc said: If this was reversed I would say ‘bad luck with that, we will get you a pick in the late thirties.’ But that is just me Expand I’d say we have demonstrated an open “thanks for the memories and we wish you well” approach due to the outcome to get back our old pick being agreed some time ago, probably before anyone here was aware of ANB’s desire to head home to SA. For the Crom to then reneg on the deal would cause significant future distrust and poor faith (not just with us) and for little benefit. 2 Quote
Dee*ceiving 1,738 Posted September 10, 2024 Posted September 10, 2024 Agree Mach5. An in principle agreement was reached weeks back. ANB did us a favour declaring SA in the event PA might have a sniff and drive the price up attached, potential win for club and player. PA didn't enter the race, declared Adelaide and move on. We've no doubt got othe rmatters to deal with and that pick 25 (or whatever package we've negotiated) might unlock currency for other winning moves. 1 Quote
whatwhat say what 23,910 Posted September 12, 2024 Posted September 12, 2024 On 12/09/2024 at 04:37, Demonland said: Expand maintain it's a complete bargain for the crom essentially anb for mcadam i know who i'd rather have; i know who plays afl regularly and who is mired in the magoos 7 1 1 Quote
Nascent 9,345 Posted September 12, 2024 Posted September 12, 2024 Pick 25 is reasonable for ANB and gets us a good piece for this draft. What's done is done with McAdam. 16 Quote
Gator 18,057 Posted September 12, 2024 Posted September 12, 2024 You have to treat the McAdam and Neale-Bullen deals separately. They're not related, even though I understand the parallels. For me, pick 25 for Neale-Bullen is an excellent outcome. I reckon he's worth a late 30s pick. But, ultimately, he's worth what someone will pay. I accept his leadership qualities are valuable, but I don't overly rate the footballer. A decent role player, but they're a dime a dozen. Too much of a fumbler with many limitations. In a deep draft this is a very good pick. 12 Quote
adonski 13,310 Posted September 12, 2024 Posted September 12, 2024 On 12/09/2024 at 08:29, Gator said: You have to treat the McAdam and Neale-Bullen deals separately. They're not related, even though I understand the parallels. For me, pick 25 for Neale-Bullen is an excellent outcome. I reckon he's worth a late 30s pick. But, ultimately, he's worth what someone will pay. I accept his leadership qualities are valuable, but I don't overly rate the footballer. A decent role player, but they're a dime a dozen. Too much of a fumbler with many limitations. In a deep draft this is a very good pick. Expand Shrewd analysis 1 1 Quote
Mach5 4,768 Posted September 12, 2024 Posted September 12, 2024 These deals can often be spruiked as the first deal to be done, but then drag on a day or 2, as one side (Crom in this case) hold to see if they need the pick 25 in another deal where they could maybe get pick 30 back & force us to accept it. While I’m hopeful, I’d be wary of counting our chickens. 4 1 Quote
spirit of norm smith 16,682 Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 On 12/09/2024 at 22:04, Mach5 said: These deals can often be spruiked as the first deal to be done, but then drag on a day or 2, as one side (Crom in this case) hold to see if they need the pick 25 in another deal where they could maybe get pick 30 back & force us to accept it. While I’m hopeful, I’d be wary of counting our chickens. Expand Agree. Dees need to hold firm on at least pick 25. Nothing less !!! 2 Quote
Mach5 4,768 Posted September 13, 2024 Posted September 13, 2024 On 13/09/2024 at 07:40, spirit of norm smith said: Agree. Dees need to hold firm on at least pick 25. Nothing less !!! Expand Yeah, the reason clubs in the Crom position do this is because we essentially have no choice in the matter. Quote
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