11 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I’m willing to give Tracc a break for some errors in judgment when he nearly died for the club.

Finish the year, present a rebuild plan, present a reshuffle of the coaches, game plan etc. 

If that doesn’t work then there’s the ability to move on. But I think we’re still in the fact finding phase of what to do. 

Me too DS. 

I think we should all take a chill pill and stop letting Tom Morris, of all people, yank our chains.

[Insert gif of Morris as an organ grinder and DL as monkeys here].

5 minutes ago, binman said:

That's true.

But with the exception of the tigers, (who could offer us their number one pick this year, and probably a high draft pick in 2025 and 2026) the bombers, pies and blues can only offer mid first rounders this year. 

And I'm sure all three clubs are hoping for late first rounders in 2026 and 2027.

That ain't gonna get it done. 

Essendon are the best placed. Could even offer Trac a 30 year career as recruiter after his playing days.

They have a surplus of mids...Parish, Tsatas, Hobbs, Perkins that they could trade for further Trac currency, on top of owning their own 2024/5 picks

Richmond aren't trading 2 x Pick 1 for Trac although it does sound fun

Pies don't have a first round pick this year

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I'm starting to think we won't win the premiership this year

1 minute ago, adonski said:

Essendon are the best placed. Could even offer Trac a 30 year career as recruiter after his playing days.

They have a surplus of mids...Parish, Tsatas, Hobbs, Perkins that they could trade for further Trac currency, on top of owning their own 2024/5 picks

 

Gross, I don't want any of those players. I'll take Merrett tho 😁

The sorts of trades that would be worth even considering are:

Bombers: Petracca for 2 first rounders and Nate Caddy

Hawks: Petracca for 2 first rounders and Josh Weddle

Just now, Jaded No More said:

Gross, I don't want any of those players. I'll take Merrett tho 😁

Neither do I. I was suggesting they could be traded to other teams if essendon need additional picks.

54 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

You don't argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel. Morris is just reporting what he's being told.

I find it astounding so many have given up on Petracca so quickly. This club doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to airing dirty laundry in the media after everything that happened with last year with Oliver.

If the club can forgive Oliver for completely taking the [censored] last year surely they can put some effort into bringing Petracca back into the fold after everything he's been through.

Must say I'm a bit surprised by it too. You go from mid last week where people were saying his silent approach was necessary to the silence being deafening and his brand being damaged as a result.

I can only think that people think his silence now looks worse after the club have come out and addressed it, did interviews like Pert's and then all rocked up to the GC game minus him. 

 

Just now, adonski said:

Neither do I. I was suggesting they could be traded to other teams if essendon need additional picks.

None of those players net you a top 10 pick.

If you believe Morris is getting his info from people in the know, he has said repeatedly 2 top 10 picks + a player, or 3 top 10 picks. That is obviously what that rat was told by Trac's management, as told to him by Tim Lamb.

If worse comes to worse:

Picks outside of maybe the top 3 are way too risky to trade a superstar for. Maybe in a deal or a 3 way deal the Suns pick 6ish could be an option but that’s still too low. The cost in picks alone should be monumental.

I doubt anyone is doing a star in a one for one.

An emerging star is our only viable option. So here’s a lot of players that I’d have on a list of options who at least keep me on the phone for longer than 1 second.

(Obviously excluding Daicos, Sheezel, Reid, JHF level guys and the additional picks depend on which player)

Finn Callaghan
Mac Andrew
Sam Darcy/Jamarra
Max Holmes 
Jake Soligo 
Nate Caddy
Charlie Comben 
Josh Weddle
Justin McInerney
Nas WM

Tracs management must think they can get a deal done if they are happy to be leaking this to Tom Morris. For that to be the case they must have spoken to other clubs. 
We are 2 months away from trade period. Are we in for two months of Tracs team spoon feeding Morris everything Trac has been unhappy with over the past couple of years?! Going over every negative story that has come out and offering Tracs inside take on it?

Would put that big a wedge between him and the club and I think we would have to trade him. 

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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

The best they could come up with this morning is Carlton’s 2024 first, 2025 first and McKay.

From what I've read about Carlton, there is no way any of their players want to leave. They have all taken an oath to try and win a premiership together. McKay and Curnow ain't leaving, despite how good Petracca is. And how would he fit into their midfield, which is already stacked. 

Just now, DeeSpencer said:

 

I doubt anyone is doing a star in a one for one.

 

Most of the big clubs Trac would be interested in, would have to give up a star player to make room in their cap for him.

How do you imagine Carlton fit in his $5mil salary? Collingwood? 

They have to trade out to make space.

This is far more complicated than just satisfying us in a trade, you also need to take on a massive massive contract.

Trac turns 29 next year and could conceivably take a year to return to his best, if at all.

It's not unusual for superstars to still be contributing past 30, but would a club be willing to trade 2/3 firsties and/or a player for a guy entering his twilight? 

It would be different if he had one year left on his deal, or if we were desperate to get rid of him, but it's not. 

I just can't see any way this gets done.

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

You don't argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel. Morris is just reporting what he's being told.

I find it astounding so many have given up on Petracca so quickly. This club doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to airing dirty laundry in the media after everything that happened with last year with Oliver.

If the club can forgive Oliver for completely taking the [censored] last year surely they can put some effort into bringing Petracca back into the fold after everything he's been through.

Agree 100% ... so many eager to turn on Tracc when we all know his injury situation was really badly mishandled. A diplomacy offensive is required, not throwing stones his way.

 

Stkilda’s pick 6, 7 (Josh battle compo) and a future first (or second) for Trac? They’d have the money to take him on and are crying out for a marquee player. They were initially sniffing around Houston so they’re not hellbent on bringing in kids. That would set us up before Tassie big time. Perhaps if they continued on with their trajectory last year it would have been more appealing for Trac. He wouldn’t want to go there, but if you’re that desperate to get out you don’t call the shots. 

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

Must say I'm a bit surprised by it too. You go from mid last week where people were saying his silent approach was necessary to the silence being deafening and his brand being damaged as a result.

I can only think that people think his silence now looks worse after the club have come out and addressed it, did interviews like Pert's and then all rocked up to the GC game minus him. 

 

People are attributing malice on Petracca's part over the initial story but no one actually knows who the source is, but even if it was someone from his camp he may not have wanted that info to get out anyway. Then if there are unresolved issues between Trac and the club it doesn't really make sense for him to come out and address it as he wouldn't be able to shut it down anyway. It would just add fuel to the fire.

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

You don't argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel. Morris is just reporting what he's being told.

I find it astounding so many have given up on Petracca so quickly. This club doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to airing dirty laundry in the media after everything that happened with last year with Oliver.

If the club can forgive Oliver for completely taking the [censored] last year surely they can put some effort into bringing Petracca back into the fold after everything he's been through.

Again, point of difference: Clarrie never wanted to leave. Still doesn’t  

 

4 minutes ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

Trac turns 29 next year and could conceivably take a year to return to his best, if at all.

It's not unusual for superstars to still be contributing past 30, but would a club be willing to trade 2/3 firsties and/or a player for a guy entering his twilight? 

It would be different if he had one year left on his deal, or if we were desperate to get rid of him, but it's not. 

I just can't see any way this gets done.

It gets done if he wants it. And a smokey will emerge and pay overs if they're desperate for superstar power. This is one trade I can't see getting done unless we are *over* compensated.

2 minutes ago, Jeremy said:

Stkilda’s pick 6, 7 (Josh battle compo) and a future first (or second) for Trac? They’d have the money to take him on and are crying out for a marquee player. They were initially sniffing around Houston so they’re not hellbent on bringing in kids. That would set us up before Tassie big time. Perhaps if they continued on with their trajectory last year it would have been more appealing for Trac. He wouldn’t want to go there, but if you’re that desperate to get out you don’t call the shots. 

Petracca is more likely to end up at North under Clarkson than St Kilda under Lyon imo.

16 minutes ago, adonski said:

They have a surplus of mids...Parish, Tsatas, Hobbs, Perkins that they could trade for further Trac currency, on top of owning their own 2024/5 picks

As in trade to us or trade somewhere else for currency? The latter would be preferable!

Archie Perkins would be nice though, good explosiveness and power. 

From the euphoria of finally winning a flag to where we are now, I feel like the wheels are falling off.

We lost four finals in a row....ok it happens.

We lost a genuinely liked and talented player in Gus.

One of our fwds is still locked up in a dispute.

Oliver has been struggling for almost two seasons.

Anb wants to leave.

Rumors are abound that JV does.

And now this.

It ain't good. Something is not right.

 

Dropping in every now and then on Demonland to read the updates, makes a workday almost pleasurable

 

14 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Most of the big clubs Trac would be interested in, would have to give up a star player to make room in their cap for him.

How do you imagine Carlton fit in his $5mil salary? Collingwood? 

They have to trade out to make space.

This is far more complicated than just satisfying us in a trade, you also need to take on a massive massive contract.

Sure. But they aren’t giving up Curnow, Cripps, Walsh or Weitering one for one and I don’t think we’re all that keen on whoever else they’d dress up as a star like Cerra or McGovern level guys.

It would take a disgruntled star or maybe a hidden go home player like a Houston. Whilst I’d make calls on all the other top 50 guys and see if they’re open to a swap it’s very unlikely. 

11 minutes ago, layzie said:

As in trade to us or trade somewhere else for currency? The latter would be preferable!

Archie Perkins would be nice though, good explosiveness and power. 

Archie Perkins?! The same Archie Perkins who currently can’t even get in the Essendon side?

I think there’s a decent risk element to keeping Trac next year, given the toll this injury has taken on him/his support network.

He has always been a confidence player and I feel like that may take a while to properly come back.

No doubt he’s very good at his best, not many across the league can compare, but like we have seen with Oliver, things can change quickly.

Holding onto an outspoken and upset player with that much influence is a dangerous game

Edited August 19, 2024Aug 19 by BW511