Christian Petracca

[rpfc 28,220]

7 hours ago, GM11 said:

Out of interest, who could we have got?

I can’t answer that counter factual only that it contributed to us not getting to prelims.

[layzie 33,722]

1 hour ago, In Harmes Way said:

I'd like to think I'm generally a glass half full man myself - but just looking at the results of "we lost by less than a kick" misses the point that we were 6 goals down to the blues before we even scored a point, we were 35 to 8 in front of GWS at qtr time before completely losing momentum - and we only kicked 7 goals in the game vs Port, in what was a good pressure but pretty ugly game of footy. My view is we weren't where we needed to be in all of those games, rather than not far off.

The Brisbane game is the only one I'd say we could look at as a genuine 50/50 that we lost by less than a kick. 

That Carlton game literally split this place down the middle. Some even suggesting that breaking even with them from midway through the 2nd to midway through the last was a positive instead of Carlton answering our challenges, steadying the ship and clearly being the better side on the night. 

[Roost it far 8,104]

8 hours ago, Macca said:

We had a much better chance of winning the flag in 2022 rather than 2023

In 2023 we went into the finals with a D Grade forward line (with so many outs) and to expect to win 3 finals without any real fire-power up forward was totally unrealistic

But in 2022 there was no such reasoning attached.  But such was the euphoria of finally breaking through in 2021, we let the club off the hook.  That was the year that got away from us

Whilst the Cats were smart enough to rotate their better players, we just went with the same team and ran out of legs.  But with better management, we would have at least made the PF

In fact, as early as round 8 in 2022, it was obvious that we looked like a tired outfit.  Class got us through to the top 4 but no legs

The above is how I reckon many will see things in 5 or 10 years time unless ... we win another flag or 2 in the next 5 or 6 years

If that happens, we won't be looking back 

This is what our forward line could have looked like in 2023 but for various reasons, Petty, JVR, Melksham & Brown didn't play.  And Fritsch was banged up.  T-Mac was a liability

And after losing Gus, we couldn't use Petracca forward in the way we wanted to

HF  Fritsch (if fit)           Petty              Kozzie/Petracca 

F    Melksham/Chandler         JVR         Brown/T-Mac (if fit)

2022 - No excuses

2023 - Reasons

2022 - Petracca played with a break in his leg and Max was hobbled........there's 2 very good excuses

2023 - Lost the QF even though on just about every metric we should of won regardless of who was playing. That would of put us into a Prelim.....that's the one that got away.

[Macca 16,900]

4 hours ago, Roost it far said:

2022 - Petracca played with a break in his leg and Max was hobbled........there's 2 very good excuses

2023 - Lost the QF even though on just about every metric we should of won regardless of who was playing. That would of put us into a Prelim.....that's the one that got away.

2022 we had a fit and healthy forward line ... not A grade but availability was fine

2023 our forward line was D Grade with so many forwards being unavailable (Melk, Petty, Brown, JVR, T-Mac (on one leg) Fritsch (banged up) Petracca (not available forward with Brayshaw taken out))

That's a lot of outs replaced with NQR's

So the 2022 Demons beats the 2023 Demons by 4 or 5 goals

So it's a B/B+ Grade forward line vs D Grade forward line (2022 vs 2023) with the make-up of the rest of the respective teams being quite similar

So we had no excuses in 2022 but in 2023, there were sound reasons on why we didn't advance in the finals

So on every metric, we didn't stand a chance to win 3 finals in 2023

But in my view, we completely blew our chances in 2022 ... that's the one that got away.  Won our first 10 games then lost 8 out of our next 14 games

In 5 of those 8 losses we were leading at half time and in the other 3 losses we were within a goal at half time

So teams kept coming over the top of us.  Energy levels an issue?  Yes

So, in 2022 we ran out of legs and that's on the coaching and the fitness staff. By contrast, the Cats were managed really well and went on to win the flag with ease

It should gave been our flag which would have made it back to back flags

2022 - The one that got away

As for 2024, we started the season off with an A grade midfield and finished with a C- Grade midfield (No Brayshaw, Petracca out for half a season, Gawn good but not great, Viney ok and Oliver well below his best)

You cannot win big with those sorts of talent levels. And that includes the close games

Edited September 26 by Macca

[binman 42,468]

8 hours ago, jnrmac said:

You're a glass half full man. We lost by a kick to Port, GWS, Blues and Brisbane.

Win those and the conversation would have been different.

We had a terrible year in my view but I can see how Goodwin would look at the above and say we weren't far off.

 

Agree we weren't far off.

But with our woeful preseason,  injuries, so many senior players clearly carrying injuries, and a third of the team kids running out of puff  even I doubt we had the wherewithal to do win a flag this year.

Hard not think it was a blessing in disguise missing finals - particularly if we land a gun at pick 5.

On injuries, the Swans have been blessed this season - very much like we were in 2021.

And anyone who doubts the impact of losing say tracc only need to see the influence of heeney in the finals.

The swans almost certainly lose week one if not for heeney. They lose that game and they are no monties to even make the GF (ironically they would have played the lions).

[whatwhat say what 22,551]

18 minutes ago, binman said:

Hard not think it was a blessing in disguise missing finals - particularly if we land a gun at pick 5.

won't know that til we see the results in 2025, and beyond

win a premiership with this cohort some time during the may - gawn - viney dotage, and yes, it might well be the season we had to have

i want to see us 'bounce' next year at a minimum

Edited September 26 by whatwhat say what

[Macca 16,900]

Wrong thread

 

Edited September 26 by Macca

[KozzyCan 764]

7 hours ago, layzie said:

That Carlton game literally split this place down the middle. Some even suggesting that breaking even with them from midway through the 2nd to midway through the last was a positive instead of Carlton answering our challenges, steadying the ship and clearly being the better side on the night. 

Only reason we were in that Carlton game was because Trac went into god mode 

[Maxie 22]

See that gossip column journo Damo is at it again in his “if and when” dribble. Geelong would have finished 12th if not for his man crush Scott’s coaching (never a negative word against the Cats) and Petracca still on the table for trade. Ah well, I clicked on it so has the desired outcome. 

[forever demons 2,216]

On 26/09/2024 at 10:55, Lexinator said:

To be honest, every time I go to this thread it's got 10+ pages of unread posts so my reply probably out of context now anyway.

Good points. It's more than likely learned behaviour anyway and trauma response to being such a bad team for long peroids of time of their lives. I have been the same but shaken it off years ago.

A realistic view on each season is 1 in 18 chance every time to be premiers, need good management of the club in every facet, healthy players physically, mentally and emotionally, good form and best form during finals, and a bit of luck and that still doesn't guarantee you a GF, let alone winning it. 

But victims? Sheesh, far out. It's a sport, a game and we can't control anything because we are just the fans.

Anyway, I realise this is a CP5 thread so I'll vanish like a fart in the wind into another thread. 

 

I just drink a lot it helps no end

[Willmoy1947 4,069]

On 26/09/2024 at 12:20, Sir Windsor said:

I have flopped in my view on Tracs red bull trip. Earlier I was of the view he was doing it to turn up in top top shape for pre season. I still think that is partially true.

However Gawny mentioned on on MMM in his usual spot that Trac was upset about the camps timing prior to his injury. 
 

I genuinely now wonder whether Trac is using the current situation to bend the will of the club to let him go on this camp.

Is this the only camp globally available to athletes? Could he have attended another camp and a BNF? Im starting to think where there is a will there is a way. I get the feeling that we are potentially creating new issues where we are treating our players based on their star factor.  

Speaking of new issues just created by your honourable self, i am having trouble with the points here.

[Willmoy1947 4,069]

On 26/09/2024 at 12:48, Dr. Gonzo said:

I agree and I'm of the same opinion, making prelims is the pass mark as that gives you a shot to win the flag. Anything can happen in Prelims as we saw with the Cats on the weekend, GWS last year etc

It's the same stance I have for the NFL, you make the final 4 (AFC/NFC Championship Games) and that shows you are a good team. After that is when luck kicks in and the fittest/luckiest teams can go all the way.

I think we should have won another flag, but we definitely should have made the prelims to give us that chance.

I had the impression the AFL were concerned that players like Max,Brayshaw, Petracca  and Goody were just too popular, and sticking it up the Media Rabble was too much to swallow. Things just escalated from there as they couldn't really handle it.

[bing181 9,191]

On 26/09/2024 at 00:50, binman said:

I suspect, when the outliers are removed the median response would be at best the strength of our list is equal to those clubs.

On paper.

The team you're able to get on the field and keep on the field (consistency) is something else.

[bing181 9,191]

On 26/09/2024 at 00:57, binman said:

The Cats, swans and lions have a model that rejects the idea of bottoming out

Helped along by the specifics of their situation: Academy picks, extra cap space, location etc. etc. 

(Not disagreeing with your premise either).

[binman 42,468]

3 minutes ago, bing181 said:

On paper.

The team you're able to get on the field and keep on the field (consistency) is something else.

Absolutely.

No coincidence of course that our two most successful years under goody, 2018 and 2021, directly correlate to seasons with a great run with injury

Or that our two least successful seasons, 2019 and this year correlate with a wretched run with injury.

[bing181 9,191]

5 minutes ago, binman said:

No coincidence of course that our two most successful years under goody, 2018 and 2021, directly correlate to seasons with a great run with injury

No coincidence either that in both of those seasons we missed finals the preceding year.

(i.e. longer off-season/break).

[binman 42,468]

13 minutes ago, bing181 said:

No coincidence either that in both of those seasons we missed finals the preceding year.

(i.e. longer off-season/break).

Let's hope there's another non coincidence next year - as in what happened the year after we last missed finals!

[Alex No Fancy-name 56]

Max is the guest on today's episode of "The Footy with Broden Kelly"

It's worth a listen - always good to hear Max talk, but he talks about the effect of the shorter pre-seasons and how, for the first time in a while, they have a good headstart for season '25.

Edited September 27 by Alex No Fancy-name

[bing181 9,191]

1 hour ago, Alex No Fancy-name said:

Max is the guest on today's episode of "The Footy with Broden Kelly"

It's worth a listen - always good to hear Max talk, but he talks about the effect of the shorter pre-seasons and how, for the first time in a while, they have a good headstart for season '25.

 

"This break is exactly what we needed". 

From 25:55

 

[bobby1554 1,244]

10 hours ago, Maxie said:

See that gossip column journo Damo is at it again in his “if and when” dribble. Geelong would have finished 12th if not for his man crush Scott’s coaching (never a negative word against the Cats) and Petracca still on the table for trade. Ah well, I clicked on it so has the desired outcome. 
 

 

10 hours ago, Maxie said:

See that gossip column journo Damo is at it again in his “if and when” dribble. Geelong would have finished 12th if not for his man crush Scott’s coaching (never a negative word against the Cats) and Petracca still on the table for trade. Ah well, I clicked on it so has the desired outcome. 

Gotta say I was pretty peed off when I read this. So the only thing Barrett has to say about us is some clap trap about CP. If I met him right now, it would be swift knee to the goulies followed by the Liverpool kiss

Edited September 27 by bobby1554

[Supreme_Demon 3,714]

Christian Petracca was probably a sneaky chance to win the Brownlow Medal if he hadn't got injured.

However, Patrick Cripps getting 45 votes was absolutely ridiculous.

At least Nick Daicos missed out with an equally amazing 38 votes.

Would love to see Christian Petracca, Clayton Oliver or Max Gawn win a Brownlow Medal. But more Premiership Medallions for the Demons are highly more desirable!

[Ollie fan 3,349]

The reason Cripps got 45 votes is clearly because they have no other good midfielders. We have had CP5 and Clarry fighting each other (metaphorically) for votes. 
 

If CP5 really does want to go, Carlton clearly need him....

[No. 31 1,167]

On 27/09/2024 at 10:41, Maxie said:

See that gossip column journo Damo is at it again in his “if and when” dribble. Geelong would have finished 12th if not for his man crush Scott’s coaching (never a negative word against the Cats) and Petracca still on the table for trade. Ah well, I clicked on it so has the desired outcome. 

Barrett is a bottom feeder that tries to generate 'stories'. Just saw him on the Sunday Footy Show trying to trade Harry McKay out of Carlton again, this time to Brisbane Lions 🤦‍♂️ 

[Biffen 12,940]

4 minutes ago, No. 31 said:

Barrett is a bottom feeder that tries to generate 'stories'. Just saw him on the Sunday Footy Show trying to trade Harry McKay out of Carlton again, this time to Brisbane Lions 🤦‍♂️ 

Barrett probably got bullied quite a bit at school and developed his obnoxious and abrasive manner from this.

If he was bullied more he might have had a deeper insight into what a [censored] of a man he is.

[No. 31 1,167]

2 hours ago, Ollie fan said:

The reason Cripps got 45 votes is clearly because they have no other good midfielders. We have had CP5 and Clarry fighting each other (metaphorically) for votes. 
 

If CP5 really does want to go, Carlton clearly need him....

Partially true. Cripps was the Carlton midfield this season. Sam Walsh had a parial pre-season and ongoing back issues (and still got 16 votes) and Cerra had multiple hamstrings, barely played this season.

If Walsh was fully fit, there is no way known Cripps could get 45 votes this season.

Next season, Trac will take votes off Crippa so two Brownlows it will have to have to be for PC9. Hmmm #9, #5 ... 1995 ... its all starting to make sense now 😜

Edited September 29 by No. 31