On 09/08/2024 at 13:39, Moonshadow said:

If you are triggered, take a deep breath and do not resort to unnecessary name calling. You do this often and it diminishes your content.

Just a suggestion.

In the words of my 16yo niece…

whatevs. 

Wow, soft mentality hey.
I’ll bet there are many on here that were absolutely devastated and disappointed how the last two finals series went. Yes, another flag was there for the taking and some would give anything to see another one live especially when we all thought we had the squad to do it. And because they choose not to yell at a keyboard and repeat the same carp over and over and over again ( there are enough that do this on here and a few do make valid points) doesn’t make them soft or imply a soft mentality.
I think most have lived long enough to understand how sport works and why it triggers so much passion at times.

People will still buy their memberships from close or afar even in these tough economic times, turn up to games or scream at the telly and continue to do what a supporter does, support. Regardless of how a season has ended up. 

  On 09/08/2024 at 12:44, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Lol how so? Our inaccuracy was what killed us on the night. Brayshaw does not fix that. Fritsch and McDonald had opportunities to in the last quarter to potentially win us the game. That had nothing to do with Brayshaw. 

Collingwood had no Nick Daicos on the night who's already one of the genuine superstars of the game.

Let that sink in as well.

 

Sorry to disagree and have a different opinion and I won’t LOL at yours btw.

Brayshaw getting taken out rattled our side and we got jumped. We then used our sub Lawrie, taking away the fresh legs later in the game and who was totally ineffective.

I believe Gus, who was a far better player, I think averaging over 30 possessions at the time, would have helped us breach the 7 point loss difference, as I recall it was.

I also feel some players lost focus after the Gus ko, like JVR, who got suspended for trying to even up, or whatever he was doing.

Imo if JVR or Gus played against the blues, we reverse that one point loss and make the PF, either by beating the Pies or later the Blues.

You are welcoming to disagree, no one can prove who is correct anyway. It’s just an opinion.

Edited August 9, 2024Aug 9 by Redleg

  On 09/08/2024 at 21:57, Redleg said:

Sorry to disagree and have a different opinion and I won’t LOL at yours btw.

Brayshaw getting taken out rattled our side and we got jumped. We then used our sub Lawrie, taking away the fresh legs later in the game and who was totally ineffective.

I believe Gus, who was a far better player, I think averaging over 30 possessions at the time, would have helped us breach the 7 point loss difference, as I recall it was.

I also feel some players lost focus after the Gus ko, like JVR, who got suspended for trying to even up, or whatever he was doing.

Imo if JVR or Gus played against the blues, we reverse that one point loss and make the PF, either by beating the Pies or later the Blues.

You are welcoming to disagree, no one can prove who is correct anyway. It’s just an opinion.

With respect to you 'Red' let's agree to disagree on this one.

I sometimes like to imagine the posters that like to use language like 'spuds, inept, disgraceful', 'soft mentality' being invited into the FD to have their critiques and 'robust' comments heard, whilst using the same language that they use on here.

If it was face to face, eyeballing the coaching staff, eyeballing the players, I'd suggest the language wouldn't be as inflammatory, and you'd probably converse with respect and genuine curiosity in trying to make sense of why things play out they way they do.

But, if you were the type to continue to use that language because, a) you can't read the room, or b) you dress it up in the guise of "fearless conversations" on behalf of an aggrieved supporter base, I'd imagine you'd be told by the employees of the MFC to politely come back at a later time.

While enthusiasm for our club is commendable, it's important to remember that first hand experience in the industry offers unique insights and perspectives, that until you have it - you're just making uninformed statements. 

Edited August 9, 2024Aug 9 by Engorged Onion

Talk of a dynasty and our great culture post our 21 flag turned out to be hot air/hubris. Foolish remarks in hindsight. Flags are very very difficult to win.

We were banged up in 22 and our forward line was decimated last year going into finals. Yes we should have beaten the pies but who's to say we would have been able to win a PF and granny from there given our makeshift forward line.

Talk of winning more than one flag overrates our list imv. We finished 4th on the ladder last year remember so we weren't a standout team by any stretch of the imagination. And are we really better than Carlton, Brisbane, GWS etc. I don't think we are. we're about to finish 12th or 13th for Christ's sakes.

I'm delighted we won one flag and disappointed we weren't good enough or healthy enough to challenge for another. If we're smart this trade period, freshen up the coaching team and have a chunk of luck we might be able to snare another one next year. Possible but we need a lot to go our way. and it wouldn't surprise me if we go into rebuild mode either.

  On 09/08/2024 at 23:07, Engorged Onion said:

- you're just making uninformed statements. 

 

Uninformed statements is what Demonland is mostly about & you are a prime example.

  On 09/08/2024 at 23:43, Cranky Franky said:

Uninformed statements is what Demonland is mostly about & you are a prime example.

I'm glad I'm not quite on your ignore list yet Cranky 😍

Every year 17 clubs don’t win the flag. Is every one of those clubs soft? A failure? 
We did what most other recent flag winners haven’t done, which is finish top 4 not once but twice. 
Where were Geelong and Collingwood after they won a flag? 

Both in 2022 and 2023 we had horrible luck with injuries and it cost us. It takes a LOT of luck to win a flag. Geelong managing to avoid serious injuries heading into September with their geriatric list in 2022 was lucky. Pies getting an armchair ride from the AFL in 2023 was lucky. You reckon if Maynard is rightfully suspended they beat GWS by the narrowest of margins in the prelim? Maybe maybe not. 

One of our most loved players lost his career last year in our first final. If us fans were horribly rattled by that (well most of us fans with heart and compassion 🙄), then of course Gus’ teammates would have been far more rattled. 
We came out and were totally undisciplined against Carlton. Kosi turned a Smith goal into a free as one example. It wasn’t great, but that lack of discipline came from a deep anger and frustration over the Gus incident. 
Not to mention losing Melksham on the eve of finals, losing Petty and carrying an injured Fritsch, then losing JVR to suspension. Entire forwardline gone. 

Last year was the one that got away. It’s incredibly frustrating, but we didn’t lose the flag because we didn’t try or weren’t good enough. A lot went against us and it was too much to overcome in the end. 

Edited August 10, 2024Aug 10 by Jaded No More

  On 09/08/2024 at 23:56, Engorged Onion said:

I'm glad I'm not quite on your ignore list yet Cranky 😍

Can't help myself. Have to call out people making assertions without the required evidence who proliferate on Demonland.

Collingwood were the better team on the night. Pure and simple.

They had a lead of 33-6 early in the second quarter and 58-31 at the 25 minute mark of the third quarter. You ain’t coming back from that deficit in a final against the minor premiers.

And before you use the Brayshaw excuse, the inside 50 and possession count was so lop sided before the incident even happened. Collingwood were ready to go from the opening bounce and we weren’t.

The Carlton semi final loss is the one that got away, but the Collingwood final - we were beaten by the better team.

Edited August 10, 2024Aug 10 by Bring-Back-Powell

  On 10/08/2024 at 00:32, Cranky Franky said:

Can't help myself. Have to call out people making assertions without the required evidence who proliferate on Demonland.

Just look in the mirror.

  On 09/08/2024 at 13:15, dazzledavey36 said:

It sums up the soft mentality that supporters like you carry. Happy to accept and be proud of mediocrity.

This isn't even about Gus at all. In fact if you really want to pin point the significance the loss of a player then I would say Melksham was a far bigger loss then Brayshaw.

 

Come on, Dazzler. Not this strawman again.

What impact does being more positive on your team than negative have on the decision making of the FD or the ability of the players to execute on game day?

If we were all eeyores, would that translate to a dynasty?

As much as I get frustrated by the perpetual neggies, sometimes I agree with them, but WGAF what any poster on Demonland thinks. It has no bearing on the ultimate success of the football club.

  On 09/08/2024 at 11:29, Ollie fan said:

You are not a supporter. I have never seen you do a supportive post.

Really 27 year continuous membership, I say as it is and plenty of footy commentary plus ex players have highlighted much the same, this is a forum were we can vent and I understand there’s a line we can’t  cross but I never question anyone’s support of the club here! 

  On 10/08/2024 at 01:14, Ollie fan said:

Just look in the mirror.

Pretty sure Engorged Onion can run his own arguments without the support of your highly witty retorts.

  On 10/08/2024 at 00:10, Jaded No More said:

Both in 2022 and 2023 we had horrible luck with injuries and it cost us. It takes a LOT of luck to win a flag. Geelong managing to avoid serious injuries heading into September with their geriatric list in 2022 was lucky. 

How did we have horrible luck in 2022.  

Games lost to injury that year are below.  It is more that we blew the season by not using our depth with Casey only losing a single game that year. That is not bad luck.  

  On 09/08/2024 at 21:57, Redleg said:

Sorry to disagree and have a different opinion and I won’t LOL at yours btw.

Brayshaw getting taken out rattled our side and we got jumped. We then used our sub Lawrie, taking away the fresh legs later in the game and who was totally ineffective.

I believe Gus, who was a far better player, I think averaging over 30 possessions at the time, would have helped us breach the 7 point loss difference, as I recall it was.

I also feel some players lost focus after the Gus ko, like JVR, who got suspended for trying to even up, or whatever he was doing.

Imo if JVR or Gus played against the blues, we reverse that one point loss and make the PF, either by beating the Pies or later the Blues.

You are welcoming to disagree, no one can prove who is correct anyway. It’s just an opinion.

We aren't winning the Collingwood game. We never looked like winning. Yes we had a million more inside 50s but we were basically playing marker's up. Arguing losing Brayshaw lost us legs doesn't make sense because we dominated possession. We never looking like winning even when Brayshaw was playing. 

Against Carlton we were the better team for probably 70% of the game and had a chance to put it away probably 6-7 times in the last. Shocking coaching, poor player management and poor selection cost us that. Combined with poor onfield leadership from Viney, Petracca and Oliver who all made poor decisions in that last quarter. We badly choked and it had nothing to do with losing Brayshaw. 

Honestly if your argument is that we didn't win the flag because we lost one player, then we are in serious trouble. I totally respect the spiritual and cultural impact losing Brayshaw had, but I strongly recommend going back and watching the Carlton semi again if you dare. Our gameplan, finishing, rotations... *we* lost that and it had nothing to do with losing Brayshaw.

  On 10/08/2024 at 05:42, praha said:

We aren't winning the Collingwood game. We never looked like winning. Yes we had a million more inside 50s but we were basically playing marker's up. Arguing losing Brayshaw lost us legs doesn't make sense because we dominated possession. We never looking like winning even when Brayshaw was playing. 

Against Carlton we were the better team for probably 70% of the game and had a chance to put it away probably 6-7 times in the last. Shocking coaching, poor player management and poor selection cost us that. Combined with poor onfield leadership from Viney, Petracca and Oliver who all made poor decisions in that last quarter. We badly choked and it had nothing to do with losing Brayshaw. 

Honestly if your argument is that we didn't win the flag because we lost one player, then we are in serious trouble. I totally respect the spiritual and cultural impact losing Brayshaw had, but I strongly recommend going back and watching the Carlton semi again if you dare. Our gameplan, finishing, rotations... *we* lost that and it had nothing to do with losing Brayshaw.

I was there with 4 mates & we all believe that the Brayshaw incident probably cost us the game & the Flag. We'll never know for sure but plenty of people agree.

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Edited August 10, 2024Aug 10 by Redleg

I believe that losing Brayshaw was a significant factor in our loss to Collingwood, but even if we had beaten them, beating GWS in the prelim was no given. They only lost to the Pies because of a large number of shocking pro-Collingwood umpiring calls in the last quarter. We would not have enjoyed the same armchair ride from the umps. The Giants ball movement and superior disposal efficiency would have exposed us.

  On 10/08/2024 at 02:29, Demonsone said:

Really 27 year continuous membership, I say as it is and plenty of footy commentary plus ex players have highlighted much the same, this is a forum were we can vent and I understand there’s a line we can’t  cross but I never question anyone’s support of the club here! 

The word "support" is the key. I have no doubt you barrack for the Dees.

  On 10/08/2024 at 04:12, Watson11 said:

How did we have horrible luck in 2022.  

Games lost to injury that year are below.  It is more that we blew the season by not using our depth with Casey only losing a single game that year. That is not bad luck.  

It’s less about the number of games lost to injury, and more about the fact that all our injuries came in one part of the ground. 

If we lost Melksham but had a fit Petty and Fritsch, it wouldn’t matter as much. 

We lost Clarry for 10 games last year, but the rest of the midfield was fit and firing so it didn’t impact us as much.

But this year losing Gus and then Trac and having both Clarry and Viney struggling for fitness or with injury, has made a massive impact to our midfield. 
 

What depth at Casey did we have that would have helped fill the gap up forward? 
 

  On 10/08/2024 at 05:46, Cranky Franky said:

I was there with 4 mates & we all believe that the Brayshaw incident probably cost us the game & the Flag. We'll never know for sure but plenty of people agree.

For once, Cranky, I agree with you. I don't understand how you can say this and consistently bag Goody - but for Brayshaw we would have won that flag, despite 3/4 of our forward line being injured. That is because of his overall good coaching (and yes, I do think he made a mistake by not activating Schache against Carlton, but we all make mistakes).

 

PS against Carlton, I believe the worst mistake was Lever kicking the ball down the line to a contest with 25 seconds to go (or whatever it was) instead of kicking it to Rivers and wasting 10-15 seconds by waxing it between them.

  On 10/08/2024 at 07:18, Ollie fan said:

For once, Cranky, I agree with you. I don't understand how you can say this and consistently bag Goody - but for Brayshaw we would have won that flag, despite 3/4 of our forward line being injured. That is because of his overall good coaching (and yes, I do think he made a mistake by not activating Schache against Carlton, but we all make mistakes).

 

PS against Carlton, I believe the worst mistake was Lever kicking the ball down the line to a contest with 25 seconds to go (or whatever it was) instead of kicking it to Rivers and wasting 10-15 seconds by waxing it between them.

Vineys kick was much worse. horrendous. He just had to hoof it into vacate Carlton territory but managed instead to shank his kick onto the chest of a Carlton player. The only place that could cause us a problem. Horror kick. I relive it regularly in my nightmares 

  On 10/08/2024 at 07:13, Jaded No More said:

It’s less about the number of games lost to injury, and more about the fact that all our injuries came in one part of the ground. 

If we lost Melksham but had a fit Petty and Fritsch, it wouldn’t matter as much. 

We lost Clarry for 10 games last year, but the rest of the midfield was fit and firing so it didn’t impact us as much.

But this year losing Gus and then Trac and having both Clarry and Viney struggling for fitness or with injury, has made a massive impact to our midfield. 
 

What depth at Casey did we have that would have helped fill the gap up forward? 
 

Your quoting 2023 not 2022 like I was referring to.