On 05/04/2025 at 06:57, MurDoc516 said:

That's a scary listen.

More than that...Terminal!

  On 05/04/2025 at 06:57, MurDoc516 said:

That's a scary listen.

"There needs to be players who put their hands up and take responsibility and say "I haven't been the best teammate". It's all me, me me. That's the biggest issue I had when I went from Hawthorn to Melbourne, getting these players to understand it wasn't about them."

Insightful analysis from someone who's been there. And no mention of the coach or coaching or game plan or whatever.

  On 05/04/2025 at 06:57, MurDoc516 said:

That's a scary listen.

Is this honestly new news to you?

At what point during Oliver's adventures down the well, Petracca's brand-driven off season episode, Viney's drawn out contract negotiation or May's latest pub scuffle were you convinced our leaders were acting in the best interest of the team?

  On 04/04/2025 at 21:01, Tracca said:

I guarantee you he will be gone if we lose to wce or Richmond pal

You're kidding yourself. Really.

  On 05/04/2025 at 07:53, bing181 said:

"There needs to be players who put their hands up and take responsibility and say "I haven't been the best teammate". It's all me, me me. That's the biggest issue I had when I went from Hawthorn to Melbourne, getting these players to understand it wasn't about them."

Insightful analysis from someone who's been there. And no mention of the coach or coaching or game plan or whatever.

That's very telling, isn't it?

Too many guys that don't do the team things.

We were absolutely doing these things across 2021-2023. Last year it started to fade, and you have to wonder if those bridges with Trac, Oliver and the rest of the playing group are irreparably damaged.

  On 05/04/2025 at 06:28, frankie_d said:

Lewis on Melbourne:

https://www.rsn.net.au/news/rsn-podcast/breakfast-with-harf/2025-03-31/jordan-lewis-says-the-demons-have-a-big-problem/685625

Damning.

This has been mentioned on here so many times. It’s the ‘kick it to Maxy down the line’ and ‘kick it to a contest in our F50 near the boundary line’ instructions. Percentage plays. Create a contest.

It’s killed our instinct to look for the best options available and instead instilled a reactive adherence to a now defunct system.

  On 05/04/2025 at 06:49, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Geez. Can we prise this guy out of his media commitments and back to the club?

My thoughts exactly. He is so articulate in his explanation. I hope he still has the ear of some of the players. They need to hear this...its damning but fixable.

I reckon its every single senior player that has this ego problem. Sheparding, tackling, covering, chasing. We hardly do this stuff or way too few do it.

  On 05/04/2025 at 08:12, GS_1905 said:

My thoughts exactly. He is so articulate in his explanation. I hope he still has the ear of some of the players. They need to hear this...its damning but fixable.

I reckon its every single senior player that has this ego problem. Sheparding, tackling, covering, chasing. We hardly do this stuff or way too few do it.

Indeed. We also need our senior players to do what the Hawthorn senior players did (Roughead, Lewis, Hodge and even Mitchell) at the back ends of their careers and play selfless roles.

I get that Trac and Clarry should be in their prime, but they're best used as very good role players. Think Sidebottom and Pendlebury in 2023.

Viney needs to play forward, Trac needs to play more forward than mid, and Oliver needs to play a more defensive role at stoppages, because the opposition play through his man. In 2023, Clarry's game went to another level because he added that intercept possession strength to his game. That needs to return.

Less complaining and more just playing your role to a high standard.

I'd have had Lewis back at the club before Jones, but what's done is done.

  On 05/04/2025 at 06:15, titan_uranus said:

Seriously?

You're asking why Goodwin, a human/father/husband, doesn't just give up and walk away from his income?

I'm sure you, like the rest of us, would hate the idea of our players giving up. If you want them to buckle down and work hard, expect the coach to do the same.

If the club decides he's no longer the right man for the job, they can sack him. Until then, Goodwin works hard to fix the mess he's contributing to, just like the players.

Really thought that through eh champ !!

Now have a proper think about how such things really happen in the big world. Especially...the Sports World .

Come back please with a more considered response

  On 05/04/2025 at 08:12, GS_1905 said:

My thoughts exactly. He is so articulate in his explanation. I hope he still has the ear of some of the players. They need to hear this...its damning but fixable.

I reckon its every single senior player that has this ego problem. Sheparding, tackling, covering, chasing. We hardly do this stuff or way too few do it.

He's also walked the walk as a player obviously so has the street cred to back up his words. He's good mates with Max I think.

  On 05/04/2025 at 08:21, Adam The God said:

Indeed. We also need our senior players to do what the Hawthorn senior players did (Roughead, Lewis, Hodge and even Mitchell) at the back ends of their careers and play selfless roles.

I get that Trac and Clarry should be in their prime, but they're best used as very good role players. Think Sidebottom and Pendlebury in 2023.

Viney needs to play forward, Trac needs to play more forward than mid, and Oliver needs to play a more defensive role at stoppages, because the opposition play through his man. In 2023, Clarry's game went to another level because he added that intercept possession strength to his game. That needs to return.

Less complaining and more just playing your role to a high standard.

I'd have had Lewis back at the club before Jones, but what's done is done.

I agree with all those comments except Viney play forward,

He’s small, slow, can’t kick off either foot, nor mark over his head.

Some forward.

  On 05/04/2025 at 08:21, Adam The God said:

Indeed. We also need our senior players to do what the Hawthorn senior players did (Roughead, Lewis, Hodge and even Mitchell) at the back ends of their careers and play selfless roles.

I get that Trac and Clarry should be in their prime, but they're best used as very good role players. Think Sidebottom and Pendlebury in 2023.

Viney needs to play forward, Trac needs to play more forward than mid, and Oliver needs to play a more defensive role at stoppages, because the opposition play through his man. In 2023, Clarry's game went to another level because he added that intercept possession strength to his game. That needs to return.

Less complaining and more just playing your role to a high standard.

I'd have had Lewis back at the club before Jones, but what's done is done.

The Brand should watch Dangerfield and play like that. Oliver should watch Rowell and get serious.

  On 05/04/2025 at 04:30, Roost it far said:

That’s harsh, Green hasn’t put a foot wrong and can stand aside satisfied he did pretty much exactly what he’l needed to.

Green is a club fanboy, he is as guilty as any of feeding the players egos. We need people who are discompassionate and stand for TEAM values. Kate Roffey was way better in that regard. It's hard to imagine how an organisation could make a swap like that when 1. they don't trade their star players and go all in on a successful 2025, and 2. at the same time bring in an interim CEO which spells transitional phase, who happens also to be a rather choleric fanboy

  On 05/04/2025 at 08:24, beelzebub said:

Really thought that through eh champ !!

Now have a proper think about how such things really happen in the big world. Especially...the Sports World .

Come back please with a more considered response

every human in any role has a belief that they can achieve success, otherwise they wouldn't be there. he would not suddenly abandon his self-determination after a bad streak- because what we understand as a catastrophic streak is only relative to him. It's not up to him to stand down, but certainly he could ask what the club thinks is best and then talk it through

  On 05/04/2025 at 08:21, Adam The God said:

Indeed. We also need our senior players to do what the Hawthorn senior players did (Roughead, Lewis, Hodge and even Mitchell) at the back ends of their careers and play selfless roles.

I get that Trac and Clarry should be in their prime, but they're best used as very good role players. Think Sidebottom and Pendlebury in 2023.

Viney needs to play forward, Trac needs to play more forward than mid, and Oliver needs to play a more defensive role at stoppages, because the opposition play through his man. In 2023, Clarry's game went to another level because he added that intercept possession strength to his game. That needs to return.

Less complaining and more just playing your role to a high standard.

I'd have had Lewis back at the club before Jones, but what's done is done.

Agree, never liked the addition of Jones, too familial, not dispassionate enough. Horrible decisions the club has made with he and Green. Roffey, a female touch who was a receptacle for team values snubbed. Green focusses on his 'stars' - team doomed

  On 05/04/2025 at 06:28, frankie_d said:

Lewis on Melbourne:

https://www.rsn.net.au/news/rsn-podcast/breakfast-with-harf/2025-03-31/jordan-lewis-says-the-demons-have-a-big-problem/685625

Damning.

Thanks Frankie

Would love to get Hodge down there

Lewis seeing things that should not be happening at this level says it all.

How have we regressed to this to become one of the worst ball using and pressure teams in the AFL now beggars belief.

Pressure, Attack on Ball, Fitness, Skills, 2nd efforts, Foot speed, mids too stationary at stoppage, very few line breakers, lacking support running and spread from stoppage, Selfless play, 1 percenters, Goal kicking accuracy, lack of front and square crumbers, Forward entry craft and forward craft in general.

A lack of key targets up forward and around the ground contested marking beasts.

Players not looking in board as their first option as Lewis is suggesting.

So much to fix but why / how are we even at this point?

They say you play as you train. Have we dropped away here maybe? Leaders not driving standard hard enough?

Edited April 5Apr 5 by Demon Dynasty

  On 05/04/2025 at 06:53, bing181 said:

How did that work out when we sacked Neeld? Neil Craig was an experienced, competent senior coach. We were losing badly under Neeld but then went even further backwards under Craig. Which is exactly the same pattern we've seen Every Time we've sacked a coach mid-season. The incoming stand-in coach ALWAYS lost more matches than the coach he replaced. And not just at Melbourne either, happens across the league, and for that matter, happens across multiple leagues in different sports.

The only way to change a team's trajectory is through list change.

Delusional.

Mercifully, those in charge at the club understand this, also understand what Goodwin and the coaching team are trying to do, and understand where the list is at. As for the supporters ...

So the coach is irrelevant? It's all the list?

  On 05/04/2025 at 07:53, bing181 said:

"There needs to be players who put their hands up and take responsibility and say "I haven't been the best teammate". It's all me, me me. That's the biggest issue I had when I went from Hawthorn to Melbourne, getting these players to understand it wasn't about them."

Insightful analysis from someone who's been there. And no mention of the coach or coaching or game plan or whatever.

It's the coaches job to make sure they focus on playing team first footy.

  On 05/04/2025 at 09:31, Dr. Gonzo said:

It's the coaches job to make sure they focus on playing team first footy.

Yep aannd it aint happening!

  On 05/04/2025 at 06:01, ElDiablo14 said:

One thing I don't understand, why Goodwin doesn't just step aside?

Is his motivation purely the money/contract?

Can't he see how much damage he is causing to the club?

Maybe there's more money if he sticks around then gets shown the door.

In these tough times, it's hard to blame him but there are people here I'm sure doing it tougher that pay their membership so there's that.

Or maybe he still thinks he's the best man for the job.

He's either to be applauded for staying on a sinking ship or condemned for selfishly taking a cheque each month for this tripe.

He's got a flag under his belt so he can be reasonably forgiven for hanging on. It's not necessarily selfish but please turn things around next week.

Failure to do so will see most people see him rightly or wrongly in the selfish camp. And it's then a slippery slope until he's shown the exit regardless of his motives.

It's a tough gig this coaching game.

A lifespan not too dissimilar to a liberal party leader for a while there.

Best of luck to you Simon. We at least owe you that much.

  On 05/04/2025 at 11:44, leave it to deever said:

Maybe there's more money if he sticks around then gets shown the door.

In these tough times, it's hard to blame him but there are people here I'm sure doing it tougher that pay their membership so there's that.

Or maybe he still thinks he's the best man for the job.

He's either to be applauded for staying on a sinking ship or condemned for selfishly taking a cheque each month for this tripe.

He's got a flag under his belt so he can be reasonably forgiven for hanging on. It's not necessarily selfish but please turn things around next week.

Failure to do so will see most people see him rightly or wrongly in the selfish camp. And it's then a slippery slope until he's shown the exit regardless of his motives.

It's a tough gig this coaching game.

A lifespan not too dissimilar to a liberal party leader for a while there.

Best of luck to you Simon. We at least owe you that much.

The comparison to a liberal leader is odd: care to elaborate ?

  On 05/04/2025 at 11:47, Superunknown said:

The comparison to a liberal leader is odd: care to elaborate ?

ie most coaches don't survive long, neither do recent Liberal leaders...

  On 05/04/2025 at 11:44, leave it to deever said:

It's not necessarily selfish but please turn things around next week.

If you think things can be turned around in a week, then not only would I like some of what you're taking, half the teams in the AFL would like a word. Expect a call from WCE, Richmond, North, Essendon, Carlton etc. in the coming days.

  On 04/04/2025 at 22:39, VNightCityLegend said:

Gawn’s post match interview last Saturday after the loss was creepy in the sense it was far too positive from what was displayed on field. What he regurgitated sounded almost robotic and cultish in the sense of feeling the obligation to front up AGAIN as captain.

(Paraphrasing) “Happy to be in this challenging position and we love to go down the highway”

Really..?

Gawn is obviously stuck between a rock and a hard place, but really getting sick and tired of the club wheeling him out on a far too regular basis to defend the [censored] we are in. Goodwin is the epitome of this.

If we go for a younger coach like Jamie Graham to rebuild this side, we may lose Pickett and Petracca but there’s hope to keep them if a John Longmire comes in.

There's still hope for the club either way as it desperately needs change..

Gawn has been brainwashed.

Good

  On 05/04/2025 at 06:53, bing181 said:

How did that work out when we sacked Neeld? Neil Craig was an experienced, competent senior coach. We were losing badly under Neeld but then went even further backwards under Craig. Which is exactly the same pattern we've seen Every Time we've sacked a coach mid-season. The incoming stand-in coach ALWAYS lost more matches than the coach he replaced. And not just at Melbourne either, happens across the league, and for that matter, happens across multiple leagues in different sports.

The only way to change a team's trajectory is through list change.

Delusional.

Mercifully, those in charge at the club understand this, also understand what Goodwin and the coaching team are trying to do, and understand where the list is at. As for the supporters ...

the list is where Goody has steered it. The club should have axed the love machine last year.