Time to go Goody?

[DubDee 24,264]

29 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

How so? I dont think it has any pre2021 vibes more like pre Roos vibes at the moment. 

Coming off a poor year and most people want Goody sacked

[Macca 16,565]

27 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Coming off a poor year and most people want Goody sacked

That was certainly true (here) at the end of 2020.  We had a poll going and at one stage 85% wanted Goodwin out (timeline 20th Sept)

But now?  I'd say the figure would be less than 20% (if the poll was transparent) but maybe 35% if the poll was anonymous 

[Ferghus31 79]

Forget contending, it's time for Melbourne to rebuild its list and culture

Goodwin has set the tone and is ultimately responsible for our Football Brand Style and Culture i dont think he can fix this time to Refresh and restart

[DubDee 24,264]

1 hour ago, Macca said:

That was certainly true (here) at the end of 2020.  We had a poll going and at one stage 85% wanted Goodwin out (timeline 20th Sept)

But now?  I'd say the figure would be less than 20% (if the poll was transparent) but maybe 35% if the poll was anonymous 

interesting.  I would have thought it would be at least 50-50

or maybe the 20% are louder than the rest on here!

[Macca 16,565]

23 minutes ago, DubDee said:

interesting.  I would have thought it would be at least 50-50

or maybe the 20% are louder than the rest on here!

On the net, a reasonably small amount of people  can look like a lot ... especially when they repeat themselves 100+ times!

The Neeld Poll was weird

After his first year, 97% of people wanted him to stay on and see out his contract

In fact, the anti Neeld brigade was very small and the 2 posters that stood out were tonotopia & hardnut. And both of them copped it left, right and centre

I often wonder what happened to those two! 

Edited August 15 by Macca

[KozzyCan 287]

Feels like a reset would do the club a world of good. Too much stagnation, too much in-fighting, too many spotfires to continue putting out. Too much laid on the shoulders of Gawn and Viney when Goodwin and Richo should be getting this stuff under control. The rot has been festering for the better part of two years now.

Club should be doing an external review. An internal review run by the people who allowed this situation to manifest  seems like an utterly pointless exercise, Pert is the king of spin and Roffey seems woefully out of her depth.

[dazzledavey36 52,603]

 

[Kiwi Dee 88]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Not gonna lie but I'm on Team McQualter to the Eagles.

[DeeZone 8,905]

13 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Feels like a reset would do the club a world of good. Too much stagnation, too much in-fighting, too many spotfires to continue putting out. Too much laid on the shoulders of Gawn and Viney when Goodwin and Richo should be getting this stuff under control. The rot has been festering for the better part of two years now.

Club should be doing an external review. An internal review run by the people who allowed this situation to manifest  seems like an utterly pointless exercise, Pert is the king of spin and Roffey seems woefully out of her depth.

Kozzycan you make a lot of unsupported statements that you obviously glean from the press and the disenfranchised on this site.
However, you fail to provide any details to support your opinion and in the same instance fail to take on board any of the more wiser and informed posters that have explained in quite significant detail the causes and effects that have lead to our demise in 2024.

And Yes I disagree that we should bring in a bunch of outsiders to try and fathom out our shortcomings when we already have a good handle on what the answers are. I say support the club and wait and see what flows from this review and I am prepared to back Pert and Goodwin who have clearly flagged that they are up for the fight.

[KozzyCan 287]

14 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Kozzycan you make a lot of unsupported statements that you obviously glean from the press and the disenfranchised on this site.
However, you fail to provide any details to support your opinion and in the same instance fail to take on board any of the more wiser and informed posters that have explained in quite significant detail the causes and effects that have lead to our demise in 2024.

And Yes I disagree that we should bring in a bunch of outsiders to try and fathom out our shortcomings when we already have a good handle on what the answers are. I say support the club and wait and see what flows from this review and I am prepared to back Pert and Goodwin who have clearly flagged that they are up for the fight.

Unsupported comments that I gleaned from reporting.

Hardly unsupported then? Why would I believe posters on this site over actual journalists whose jobs it is to find this stuff out? Peter Ryan is a very good journalist and I would put a lot of stock into his article from today.

Do you deny that the club has stagnated this year? Do you deny that there has been infighting? Do you deny that the club hasn't had to put out constant spotfires?

I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend everything is sunshine and roses.

Pert and Goodwin told us they were going to fix our issues last off-season. They told us to judge the club on what they do. Well it's been nearly 12 months and our best player is disgruntled and want's out. Oliver has struggled since he hurt his hand and has been forced to play through injury and poor fitness all season. We are losing games by the biggest margins in five years. Why should I believe they can get it done this time around?

 

[FreedFromDesire 553]

13 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Unsupported comments that I gleaned from reporting.

Hardly unsupported then? Why would I believe posters on this site over actual journalists whose jobs it is to find this stuff out? Peter Ryan is a very good journalist and I would put a lot of stock into his article from today.

Do you deny that the club has stagnated this year? Do you deny that there has been infighting? Do you deny that the club hasn't had to put out constant spotfires?

I'm not going to stick my head in the sand and pretend everything is sunshine and roses.

Pert and Goodwin told us they were going to fix our issues last off-season. They told us to judge the club on what they do. Well it's been nearly 12 months and our best player is disgruntled and want's out. Oliver has struggled since he hurt his hand and has been forced to play through injury and poor fitness all season. We are losing games by the biggest margins in five years. Why should I believe they can get it done this time around?

Very fair comments.

Pete Ryan is more on the conservative side with this journalism, I very much enjoy his work. His article, if you ignore the headline which he wouldn't have penned, is quite matter of fact and sensible. He doesn't source information and then add layer after layer of hyperbole like a Morris or Cornes does.

I'm absolutely not out for either Pert or Goodwin, and there's no doubt things are more contextual and complicated inside the club, but it's pretty clear now that Pert's 'best culture in 40 years' comment and Goodwin's 'come down to our environment' comments are ringing very hollow now.

Roffey we have not heard from much at all. Richardson seems a good character but the specific areas he is charged with have struggled in different ways for a while now.

So, in knowing all that, how then could we trust them to conduct a review into their own performances? That doesn't mean we need to have a purely external review, given the time available to complete that could be difficult, but having external scrutiny over the review and it's recommendations is surely a good way to go about it?

It feels we're at a critical point. Changes are clearly needed. I firmly believe we can bounce back next year if we get those changes right. So I don't understand why anyone would be against have the appropriate scrutiny over the football department as soon as possible.

Edited August 15 by FreedFromDesire

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,521]

1 hour ago, KozzyCan said:

Feels like a reset would do the club a world of good. Too much stagnation, too much in-fighting, too many spotfires to continue putting out. Too much laid on the shoulders of Gawn and Viney when Goodwin and Richo should be getting this stuff under control. The rot has been festering for the better part of two years now.

Club should be doing an external review. An internal review run by the people who allowed this situation to manifest  seems like an utterly pointless exercise, Pert is the king of spin and Roffey seems woefully out of her depth.

Are you Tom Morris?

Speak up if this is you!

Edited August 15 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

[WERRIDEE 5,342]

No one wants to play for him. Trac, Kossie, Nibbler. The fish rotts at the head. Goodwin has to fall on his own sword.

[BDA 22,214]

Just now, WERRIDEE said:

No one wants to play for him. Trac, Kossie, Nibbler. The fish rotts at the head. Goodwin has to fall on his own sword.

Give it a rest Werridee.

[waynewussell 4,815]

4 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

No one wants to play for him. Trac, Kossie, Nibbler. The fish rotts at the head. Goodwin has to fall on his own sword.

No one wants to listen to your poorly constructed vitriol! Kossie does play for him! Nibbler has made his reasons for leaving explicit, along with saying "If I could move the whole club to Adelaide with me I would", although he did add a post script along the lines of, "just don't let WERRIDEE cross the border!"

[WERRIDEE 5,342]

5 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

No one wants to listen to your poorly constructed vitriol! Kossie does play for him! Nibbler has made his reasons for leaving explicit, along with saying "If I could move the whole club to Adelaide with me I would", although he did add a post script along the lines of, "just don't let WERRIDEE cross the border!"

If they played for him they would want to still be around but they don't. The club is rotten to the core and Goodwin has to take responsibility. He and the board that wants him there need to be given the sack. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

[waynewussell 4,815]

4 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

If they played for him they would want to still be around but they don't. The club is rotten to the core and Goodwin has to take responsibility. He and the board that wants him there need to be given the sack. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Quairading | Kysaiah going home (melbournefc.com.au)

[waynewussell 4,815]

5 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

If they played for him they would want to still be around but they don't. The club is rotten to the core and Goodwin has to take responsibility. He and the board that wants him there need to be given the sack. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

"While the trip was set to be a heartwarming time for him and Ardu, he also chose to generously share it with four other important people within his life - Simon Goodwin (Senior Coach), Shane McAdam (AFL player), Clayton Oliver (AFL player), and Matt Whelan (Indigenous Projects Officer)."

[beelzebub 23,131]

Houston.....we have a problem 😕 

[waynewussell 4,815]

11 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

The club is rotten to the core....

... The only rot I am aware of is this!

[Fuchsias Forever 37]

 Clear the decks and get a fresh start as a minimum in the Footy Department (Goodwin/Richardson) should be the minimum all is not well in the football part of the club is the clear message from what's happening.

Pert & Roffey can then get out the door as well.

[rpfc 28,026]

13 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

No one wants to play for him. Trac, Kossie, Nibbler. The fish rotts at the head. Goodwin has to fall on his own sword.

You could build a 22 of blokes that don’t want to play for him, amirite?

[rpfc 28,026]

I said it somewhere else - I think the next 6 months will be the making of Goodwin. 

He’s not an abrasive coach, say what you will about his style and the drawbacks of being a ‘players coach’ but he is that. CP5 has issues with how we have handled him and with our ‘brand’, ANB and Kozzie are homesick - they are hardly on SG. Culture is definitely in his gamut of responsibility but more so for Gawn and the leaders, noting that ‘culture’ is a misnomer at clubs - they are all works in progress battling the issues of a collection of 20 something blokes.

I think we have the right person in that role for right now.

[COOLX 184]

We have gone backwards at a rapid rate of knots since our first double elimination. What did we do, we pick up Grundy who we assumed was going to kick goals. Stupid move. After several concussions to Brayshaw ,surely we didn't have a backup plan for his replacement as he was not far from retiring due medical reasons. Guess what it happened. Who was going to replace Oliver or Petracca if they got injured? We did end up using Rivers as a mid , this should have been done after the first double elimination also we needed to pick up mids. We have plenty of ex senior coaches , doing a variety of what? Surely one of those coaches should have been the reserves coach. Why does a club need a CEO and a President ? think how much money could be saved by only have one. If Godwin leaves Petracca probably will stay (hoping) ,if Petracca I will support another club. 

[Kent 2,850]

14 hours ago, waynewussell said:

No one wants to listen to your poorly constructed vitriol! Kossie does play for him! Nibbler has made his reasons for leaving explicit, along with saying "If I could move the whole club to Adelaide with me I would", although he did add a post script along the lines of, "just don't let WERRIDEE cross the border!"

I do and others here also

The club is a shambles once again