2024 Preseason Training Thread

[demon3165 1,937]

2 hours ago, Dee Boys said:

Petracca one paced? 🤨

very much so.

[DeeZone 7,792]

3 hours ago, IRW said:

Yea he has power rather than speed

Take a look at the latest Trac review on the MFC website, he has pace to burn when needed.!!

[Dee Boys 240]

Petracca “very much one paced”. Have a good weekend demonlanders!

 

 

[demon3165 1,937]

6 hours ago, demon3165 said:

very 

Don’t confuse burst speed with what I said as a midfield that is one paced.  Do you really think Trac could run at pace all game, do you think he could keep up with a daicos all game at pace and other players of that ilk? he is a power burst player .

[demon3165 1,937]

5 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Take a look at the latest Trac review on the MFC website, he has pace to burn when needed.!!

lmfao really then you must not have watched games last year....

[DeeZone 7,792]

I only missed one home game last year and was at both finals as well, did you notice that when Trac comes out of the centre square with ball in hand he is rarely run down, he has pace agility and brute strength. Watch the granny in ‘21 they couldn’t lay a glove on him.

[demon3165 1,937]

13 hours ago, DeeZone said:

I only missed one home game last year and was at both finals as well, did you notice that when Trac comes out of the centre square with ball in hand he is rarely run down, he has pace agility and brute strength. Watch the granny in ‘21 they couldn’t lay a glove on him.

And you still don't understand by your response of what i am saying, he is a power player and burst player yes, he is not an endurance type player with speed.

[DeeZone 7,792]

Agree 3165 but he is not one paced, he uses his pace when it is needed he is a 93-96kg bull that knows how to find space and exploit the opposition players. I do not compare him to ANB, Eddie Langdon, Lachie Hunter or even Kozzie’s ability to gut run all day.

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23 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Agree 3165 but he is not one paced, he uses his pace when it is needed he is a 93-96kg bull that knows how to find space and exploit the opposition players. I do not compare him to ANB, Eddie Langdon, Lachie Hunter or even Kozzie’s ability to gut run all day.

Petracca is incredibly quick for someone his size and weight, definitely not one paced. Amazing blend of strength, power and speed and obviously has a tank to play midfield. What's so unique about the Trac is he able to tap into these abilities pretty consistently throughout a game and would say he does run down opponents a fair bit for his size, don't see this much for comparable players like Martin, Stringer. '21 GF probably best example of the aforementioned. 

[demon3165 1,937]

5 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Agree 3165 but he is not one paced, he uses his pace when it is needed he is a 93-96kg bull that knows how to find space and exploit the opposition players. I do not compare him to ANB, Eddie Langdon, Lachie Hunter or even Kozzie’s ability to gut run all day.

ANB and Hunter are one paced, and name one time where Kossie runs at pace all day he runs in spurts if he was that way he might have been playing midfield a lot more, he is also an instinct player not a thinker for a good midfielder he is another burst player how is this so hard to see, Trac while a great player he will and only be a burst player with power he simply cannot run all day at full pace his body shape should tell you that.

[DeeZone 7,792]

Now you are just being argumentative you have your thoughts I have mine and it appears that nair the twain shall meet.!!

[Macca 16,173]

AFL players run 12-14 kilometres per game and some have been known to exceed 20k's

Midfielders especially need to get to a stack of contests as well as flooding back and pressing forward.  All that 2-way running.  Stoppage after stoppage

So Petracca being a midfielder would mean he would do a lot of running and in bursts, a lot of sprinting

At a guess I reckon he would exceed 15 kilometers per game and that's every week.  You've got to be very fit to do all that

So imagine being an 18yo coming into the AFL system?  It would be quite an eye-opener.  It's any wonder we often hear that draftees need 2 or 3 years in the system to be AFL ready

As for soft tissue injuries, players need to be managed to the minute to avoid 

But even so, running 15k's in a full-on contact sport with all the physicality involved is quite a task.  Every week

So Petracca would need to be as fit as a Mallee bull (and in my view, he is) 

Edited January 20 by Macca

[dazzledavey36 48,844]

53 minutes ago, Macca said:

AFL players run 12-14 kilometres per game and some exceed 20k's

Midfielders especially need to get to a stack of contests as well as flooding back and pressing forward.  All that 2-way running.  Stoppage after stoppage

So Petracca being a midfielder would mean he would do a lot of running and in bursts, a lot of sprinting

At a guess I reckon he would exceed 15 kilometers per game and that's every week.  You've got to be very fit to do all that

So imagine being an 18yo coming into the AFL system?  It would be quite an eye-opener.  It's any wonder we often hear that players need 2 or 3 years to be AFL ready

As for soft tissue injuries, players need to be managed to the minute to avoid 

But even so, running 15k's in a full-on contact sport with all the physicality involved is quite a task.  Every week

So Petracca would need to be as fit as a Mallee bull (and in my view, he is) 

But he didn't though.. and not sure where on earth you're pulling numbers randomly that players have exceeding 20kms a game? No one has ever topped covered 20kms a game.

On the Petracca one, Langdon, Hunter and Alex Neale Bullen were our top 3 players who racked up top km's for 2023. Langdon was averaging up around the 16km mark and both Hunter and ANB were roughly averaging 15kms per game.

As a matter of fact, Petracca did not once finish top 5 in any games last year for kms covered in games.. Even the likes of Petty, Lever and Bowey were all able to finish top 5 in games for most distance covered. Fact was, not once did Petracca ever clock up 14 or 15kms a game at all again last year. My guess is that he roughly averaged around the 10-12 kms covered per game.

This may come as a surprise to some of you but he simply isn't an endurance beast as some of you are making out and never was.. You'll never see him up at the top end of the time trails nor will he be pegged in the fitter group of runners.

It's his ability to read the game and knowing where to be positioned to win the ball is what makes him the player he is now. His game sense being at the right spot at the right time in big games is all we need and hence why he's makes up for it for his lack of endurance. 

That's what's so freakish about Petracca is that whilst He'll never clock up big numbers in distance covered, he makes up for it by running to the right spots and positioning well around stoppages.

In the AFL environment, if you have an average endurance base then you quickly need to have a second set of tools to have to make up for the perceived "lack of tank" otherwise you're no good to the team unfortunately. 

Edited January 20 by dazzledavey36

[Macca 16,173]

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Fact was, not once did Petracca ever clock up 14 or 15kms a game at all again last year. My guess is that he roughly averaged around the 10-12 kms covered per game

Well he might have averaged 13.5 k's for all you know.  Yours is a guess, not fact

So around 13ks - 14ks is still a lot of running.  And that would put him into an area that a lot of midfielders would be in

[dazzledavey36 48,844]

4 minutes ago, Macca said:

Well he might have averaged 13.5 k's for all you know.  Yours is a guess, not fact

So around 13ks - 14ks is still a of running.  And that would put him into an area that a lot of midfielders would be in

Okay.. I'll spell it out to you. He didn't top 14 or even 13.. thats an actual fact through the AFL tracker.

Hence why I said he's probably averaging roughly around the 10-12 because that's the part where I made my guess. 

[Macca 16,173]

14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Do you want to post up a link as I'm not inclined to take your word for it

And it's not like Petracca fails to run out games if that's what you are suggesting.  He's quite often full of running in the last quarter's of games.  Racking up possessions

He's not just a burst player either but it might look that way to the untrained eye

Edited January 20 by Macca

[dazzledavey36 48,844]

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

Do you want to post up a link as I'm not inclined to take your word for it

And it's not like Petracca fails to run out games if that's what you are suggesting.  He's quite often full of running in the last quarter's of games.  Racking up possessions

He's not just a burst player either but it might look that way to the untrained eye

This you're actually missing my point.. which is, he's not there to rack up big kms in games, as he makes up for it with what I've already explained about 4 posts above.

His impact on games and his individual accolades speaks enough for itself.

[Macca 16,173]

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

His impact on games and his individual accolades speaks enough for itself.

Well, as far as I'm concerned he does a hell of a lot of running in order to get to any number of contests (and that includes stoppages)

His style also includes a number of burst plays but all of Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw & Kozzie can display those traits from stoppages from time to time

It's just that what Petracca does stands out which might lead people into thinking that, that's all he does

And my original post was in response to one such person who was suggesting that he's only a burst player

He's a lot more than that

Edited January 20 by Macca

[dpositive 1,547]

On 19/01/2024 at 10:09, Matt Demon said:

Umpires are here, full match sim about to kick off.

Are these AFL assigned, nominated or requested.

I think we should get WCW to chat with them and get them on side. Show them what a great bunch we are. and tell them to tell all their friends in the locker room what a great team we are, How we do have backs , necks and dont throw the ball. Ask them is there anything they could help us with to improve our tackling. Or indeed if there is anything we as supporters can do to help our side. 

[Macca 16,173]

Not sure how reputable the web site is in this link but in it, they make mention that AFL players have exceeded 20k's per game

How far do AFL players run in a game

[dazzledavey36 48,844]

22 minutes ago, Macca said:

Well, as far as I'm concerned he does a hell of a lot of running in order to get to any number of contests (and that includes stoppages)

His style also includes a number of burst plays but all of Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw & Kozzie can display those traits from stoppages from time to time

It's just that what Petracca does stands out which might lead people into thinking that, that's all he does

And my original post was in response to one such person who was suggesting that he's only a burst player

He's a lot more than that

So in other words.. you do agree with me in my initial response to you?

9 minutes ago, Macca said:

Not sure how reputable the web site is in this link but in it, they make mention that AFL players have exceeded 20k's per game

How far do AFL players run in a game

About as reputable as the daily mail. 

[Macca 16,173]

2 minutes ago, dpositive said:

Are these AFL assigned, nominated or requested.

I think we should get WCW to chat with them and get them on side. Show them what a great bunch we are. and tell them to tell all their friends in the locker room what a great team we are, How we do have backs , necks and dont throw the ball. Ask them is there anything they could help us with to improve our tackling. Or indeed if there is anything we as supporters can do to help our side. 

The better question might be what we need to do to stop giving away needless free kicks.  Mind you, giving away a few professional free kicks deep in the oppositions backline can be a sound strategy sometimes (worked very well for the Tigers with their recent 3 flags) 

I've seen our players bomb it so far towards the left forward pocket that the ball has sailed out of bounds on the full.  Resulting in the opposition often being hemmed in with no easy outlet with the switch of play being covered.  A set plan?  Maybe

But when we lose games we have no one to blame but ourselves (unless we get a rash of injuries to say, our forward line players like we did last year) 

[Macca 16,173]

22 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

So in other words.. you do agree with me in my initial response to you?

More to the point is do you agree with me that Petracca is not just a burst player?

That's what my original post was in reference to 

And if you read the dozen posts prior to my original post, it might make sense to you

By the way, do you still blame the coach when our players miss easy shots at goal?  I'm still waiting for your reply on that baffling observation

Edited January 20 by Macca

[Macca 16,173]

According to the AFL, Ben Brown averaged 15.6 kilometres per game in 2019

And in the same year, the Swans ran for a combined 306.3 kilometres in a single game (against the Demons) ... that's an average of 13.9 kilometres per player

I'd like to see some actual proof that Petracca runs less than 12k per game

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On 19/01/2024 at 22:42, demon3165 said:

Don’t confuse burst speed with what I said as a midfield that is one paced.  Do you really think Trac could run at pace all game, do you think he could keep up with a daicos all game at pace and other players of that ilk? he is a power burst player .

So if you’re a power burst player that can’t run all day long you’re ‘one-paced’? I’ve clearly misunderstood the meaning of one-paced all along.