2023 GRAND FINAL

[bing181 9,328]

Lots of talk about Collingwood this and Collingwood that - though as we showed, they're more than beatable. But if it's one thing we can take from them, it's their ability to do what's needed in the dying moments of quarters. Whether that's a late clutch goal, or shutting down and defending a slim lead, it's the one area in their game that they have over all the other clubs, including ours.

Helps having a couple of really experience and skilful players to drive/lead all that, but I hope our FD and players were paying attention.

[Clintosaurus 7,867]

Pies also seem to go into rugby mode in the last 5, knowing the umps won't blow the whistle.

[Demonsone 2,044]

Goes you don’t need 2 dominate rucks or huge power fwds to win a flag … Getting Grundy was always risky and not to see him play was tragic and reinforced the disastrous trade.. got overhyped with the Jackson & Gawn combo, which Grundy was never going to be…. Need to use this trade period to clear the decks & chase zippy fwds & good kickers 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

8 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Pies also seem to go into rugby mode in the last 5, knowing the umps won't blow the whistle.

This is my observation too. I noticed it at our game and its been the same since then. I think its a strategy. Maybe they know with the crowd the noise, the pressure umpires are under frees wont be paid. I suspect they may even have researched the stats on frees in the last 5 minutes. They are ahead of the game, looking at it as a science. You can see it in the players when they talk about their surety of winning close ones. And of course they train for it knowing most big games will be close. 

[Deemania since 56 6,718]

49 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Pies also seem to go into rugby mode in the last 5, knowing the umps won't blow the whistle.

Falling on top of the ball in scrums with a teammate lowering himself as well to hide the drawing of the ball back under the body. 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

14 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Falling on top of the ball in scrums with a teammate lowering himself as well to hide the drawing of the ball back under the body. 

They are holding the ball lower. Using their knees to lower the ball and break tackles or draw a free

[Willmoy1947 4,140]

2 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

This is my observation too. I noticed it at our game and its been the same since then. I think its a strategy. Maybe they know with the crowd the noise, the pressure umpires are under frees wont be paid. I suspect they may even have researched the stats on frees in the last 5 minutes. They are ahead of the game, looking at it as a science. You can see it in the players when they talk about their surety of winning close ones. And of course they train for it knowing most big games will be close. 

We win the close ones as well until the pressure from Umpires decide that Goals are points, or the opposition have just got to have a free kick no matter what or in TOBY's case his head is quite expendable.

I guess Colliwobbles were going to win that game no matter what. Just as Hill was going to win that NS no matter what.

[dees189227 12,401]

Gee just finished watching the NRL gf. Both grand finals were crackers of a game.

It's a horrible weekend if you're a lions/broncos fan this weekend. 

Unfortunately the teams that won are the teams I did not want to win.

Footy is horrible sometimes

[Harvey Wallbanger 1,034]

20 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Gee just finished watching the NRL gf. Both grand finals were crackers of a game.

It's a horrible weekend if you're a lions/broncos fan this weekend. 

Unfortunately the teams that won are the teams I did not want to win.

Footy is horrible sometimes

I agree. I hope it shows that you can love AFL, but still acknowledge how amazing that Panthers/Broncos game was. I found the commentary interesting around players who had already signed with competing clubs for next year. We haven't got to that stage yet - wonder how it will go down when it does arrive.....

[Billy 2,544]

On 9/30/2023 at 2:07 PM, WalkingCivilWar said:

Fuddy duddies????? Because we think KISS suck? Dude, I listen to new bands you’ve likely never even heard of because they’re not the latest The Voice or X Factor winners and they’re not played ad nauseam (or at all) on Smooth FM or Gold 104. 

You so don’t know my music taste Dude

Give us a snap shot of your music taste & I’ll give you mine 

Lets see who’s cooler 

[jnrmac 20,189]

7 hours ago, loges said:

Pretty sure we're one of the sides that did it. 17th 2019, premiers 2021

True but we changed massively from 2018 and 2019 and learned.

This year was perplexing for me. We played pre-season very aggressively through the corridor and cutting angles etc. Our first few rounds we were number one for accuracy as we played daring football and centered the ball into the corridor.

We changed game plan distinctively in rd 12 and 13 against the Blues and the pies. I assumed we wanted to play a much more defensive game plan as we were likely to meet these two teams in September. That was around the time we played a very high press, defended by playing a boundary game and we scored a shocking number of points for 3 or 4 weeks in a row.

So I fear Simon will say he only has to tweak a few minor things but the game has caught up to us and has figured us out. A game "built for finals" has failed in the last four.

And our much-vaunted leaders utterly failed in the last 100 seconds against Carlton.

We need to change quite a lot 

[Demonsone 2,044]

What burns is their supporters got to watch/celebrate the win @ the G & then at their training centre vs our couches on TV locked up!

[IRW 1,387]

13 hours ago, Half forward flank said:

This is my observation too. I noticed it at our game and its been the same since then. I think its a strategy. Maybe they know with the crowd the noise, the pressure umpires are under frees wont be paid. I suspect they may even have researched the stats on frees in the last 5 minutes. They are ahead of the game, looking at it as a science. You can see it in the players when they talk about their surety of winning close ones. And of course they train for it knowing most big games will be close. 

Sidebottom said it straight up last week.

We try to keep the ball in to the pack / contest until we see an exit that we can use to go forward .

Rather than a wild handball to a nearby Demon so he can hack it further on 

I wonder which is a calculation and which  is hopeful?

Edited October 1, 2023 by IRW

[Half forward flank 1,022]

59 minutes ago, IRW said:

Sidebottom said it straight up last week.

We try to keep the ball in to the pack / contest until we see an exit that we can use to go forward .

Rather than a wild handball to a nearby Demon so he can hack it further on 

I wonder which is a calculation and which  is hopeful?

Yes, its ugly. Commentators are not onto it as they can keep saying it a tough contest, midfield beasts and all the rest. Game following NRL and no one seems to care. 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

9 hours ago, jnrmac said:

True but we changed massively from 2018 and 2019 and learned.

This year was perplexing for me. We played pre-season very aggressively through the corridor and cutting angles etc. Our first few rounds we were number one for accuracy as we played daring football and centered the ball into the corridor.

We changed game plan distinctively in rd 12 and 13 against the Blues and the pies. I assumed we wanted to play a much more defensive game plan as we were likely to meet these two teams in September. That was around the time we played a very high press, defended by playing a boundary game and we scored a shocking number of points for 3 or 4 weeks in a row.

So I fear Simon will say he only has to tweak a few minor things but the game has caught up to us and has figured us out. A game "built for finals" has failed in the last four.

And our much-vaunted leaders utterly failed in the last 100 seconds against Carlton.

We need to change quite a lot 

Our leaders have given us a flag, eternal thanks but it might be time for change. The ruck thing is perplexing. When recruited Grundy we had BB, McDonald and Melk all available for the season. By mid year Goody was talking about the ruck pair needing to kick goals or else it was over. 

[leave it to deever 17,517]

18 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

What were everyone’s thoughts of the umpiring? 
 

I watched the first 3 minutes and after the Daicos and Hipwood free’s I went and cleaned my garage. Then come back for the last 5 minutes before turning it off with 20 seconds to go. The advantage taken when clearly there was no advantage was massive. I’m not one for the total frees paid but more so when and where.

The non advantage call was massive. Timing and position made it even worse. What a bad umpire to call advantage before anyone even knew a free had even been paid. The free was for a clear trip and and not two seconds after the whistle or a second after a lions player kicked it straight up in the air, its play on.

 If there is no clear advantage or you are not sure then just stop. It ain't too hard. How many times this year have we seen pedantic umpires calling back players to kick over the mark. What a panic merchant that umpire was.

 

[Demonsone 2,044]

19 hours ago, At the break of Gawn said:

We were realistically the best chance of beating them but we had two really unlucky things not go our way.

1. Brayshaw getting knocked out

2. A wet night at the MCG. If the weather was like the Carlton game, I think we would have won.

Reasons maybe excuses yes , go to the trades in 22  of both teams & you will find the answers ..  Hill is one of them & Grundy along with the has beens from the Dogs we got 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Demonsone

[loges 6,767]

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

The non advantage call was massive. Timing and position made it even worse. What a bad umpire to call advantage before anyone even knew a free had even been paid. The free was for a clear trip and and not two seconds after the whistle or a second after a lions player kicked it straight up in the air, its play on.

 If there is no clear advantage or you are not sure then just stop. It ain't too hard. How many times this year have we seen pedantic umpires calling back players to kick over the mark. What a panic merchant that umpire was.

 

Umpire choked 

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

3 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

The non advantage call was massive. Timing and position made it even worse. What a bad umpire to call advantage before anyone even knew a free had even been paid. The free was for a clear trip and and not two seconds after the whistle or a second after a lions player kicked it straight up in the air, its play on.

 If there is no clear advantage or you are not sure then just stop. It ain't too hard. How many times this year have we seen pedantic umpires calling back players to kick over the mark. What a panic merchant that umpire was.

 

Even worse and not spoken about. The  "advantage " free should have been a free too. Disgraceful.

[leave it to deever 17,517]

5 hours ago, Hellaintabadplacetobe said:

Even worse and not spoken about. The  "advantage " free should have been a free too. Disgraceful.

What a double whammy. Well called. 

[Clintosaurus 7,867]

Pies fans being complete wankers on the socials. Hope everyone is keeping receipts and goes 10000000 times harder when they don't win it next year.

[IRW 1,387]

 

 

2 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Pies fans being complete wankers on the socials. Hope everyone is keeping receipts and goes 10000000 times harder when they don't win it next year.

Maybe look at the coach  because if you think it's a contest between fans then you're reasonably pathetic

It's between teams and their coaching staff.

Collingwood actually  has a coach with  a personality ,that surely helps 

Edited October 2, 2023 by IRW

[brendan 3,437]

14 hours ago, Demonsone said:

What burns is their supporters got to watch/celebrate the win @ the G & then at their training centre vs our couches on TV locked up!

And fox footy are showing the pies B&F live this Friday, the love fest is sickening 

[jnrmac 20,189]

On another matter anyone wondering how we had an identical number of people at the 2023 Grand Final as we did at the 2022 Grand Final?

100,024 people.

Smells very fishy to me

[dees189227 12,401]

Lets just hope it not the start of a dynasty.