13 hours ago, Grand New Flag said:

• WCE have publicly said they would trade pick 1.
• WCE and North have almost certainly come up with a solution the delivers Curtain to WCE and leaves Reid to be traded out.
• No other club can satisfy WCE
• I hear the MFC feels it does not have room for all its early picks.  In other words, they will be forced to delist players they want to keep.  Far better therefore to trade up.
• I think the chances of us landing Reid and very high.

 

North can with pick 2 and 17 (tied to Port Adelaide) for a start off.  That guarantees Curtin to WC and gives them a bonus first rounder.  And that's not even taking into account North's McKay compensation.

Edited August 30, 20232 yr by old55

16 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

If WrEcK iT RaLppppY keeps throwing darts like he is, one might actually come true….

Just now, Gorgoroth said:

If WrEcK iT RaLppppY keeps throwing darts like he is, one might actually come true….

The scatter gun is the preferred weapon of choice for the media.

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

The scatter gun is the preferred weapon of choice for the media.

1 hour ago, Superunknown said:

Wouldn’t it be better to go into the draft with our boots on and get our fill with 4/5 (whatever that is after dilution - 5/6 , 6/7, etc)

Better risk management, more players

i'm going to make an argument against this...

...if we pick two talented players, they're going to sign the standard two-year deal for picks...

...now let's say they extend that to an initial three-year deal...

...but what guarantee do they have of breaking into a perennial finals side?

in two or three years time they might be frustrated with their lack of opportunity and request a trade for greater opportunity elsewhere; what's the chance we'd get a pick 4 or 5 back for them? i'd say unlikely - at the moment first / second round picks like jefferson (who will need to get ahead of jvr and petty) or laurie (in competition with spargo, chandler) or jordon (sparrow, woewodin, etc.) can't be guaranteed a spot in our side, and they have the added benefit of being part of our system and have, with the exception of jefferson, experienced a 'taste' of senior footy

we're far, far better off putting our eggs in one top basket and backing one player who is considered by champion data to be the best talent and to have the best underage #s since petracca to break into our side quickly and to influence our play

2 hours ago, demonglory said:

We have a beauty right under our noses in Bailey Laurie.   Needs to be given a good run of consecutive games.  Very clever ball user and decision maker and no I am not his mum or aunty :)

Good to see some posters recognising his talents. I've been going into bat for him recently as I think he has the makings of a solid best 22 player for us. When up and running he will be one of our best ball users.

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

Haven't read the article but I think the key to getting pick 4 will be a clubs willingness to trade a future pick as well. I think we'll be more than comfortable adding a future first with our swag of picks, can't see Adelaide willing to run that risk.

3 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

A flag and pick 4 and 5 would be taking the absolute [censored] and I for one would applaud it. It’ll be a Geelong like highway robbery. 

Only years of multiple AAA trading and recruiting can get a club into this position.  Forget Gawn or Track, JT is our most valuable asset.

 

15 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Haven't read the article but I think the key to getting pick 4 will be a clubs willingness to trade a future pick as well. I think we'll be more than comfortable adding a future first with our swag of picks, can't see Adelaide willing to run that risk.

Adelaide will happily trade 2024 first round pick 

they get Scott welshs son 

touted as a top three pick 

2 hours ago, Superunknown said:

Wouldn’t it be better to go into the draft with our boots on and get our fill with 4/5 (whatever that is after dilution - 5/6 , 6/7, etc)

Better risk management, more players

As I mentioned before, we don't have enough room on our list.  MFC only wanted to delist/trade 3, possibly 4.  Now with Melk that could be 5.  Simply the MFC would be forced to delist players that they don't want to or they think are lessor players than what the draft offers. 

 

4 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

Only years of multiple AAA trading and recruiting can get a club into this position.  Forget Gawn or Track, JT is our most valuable asset.

 

Yes Taylor has definitely got the midas touch ... he's an absolutely beauty

I can see the club staying in contention for years to come due to his recruiting skills alone

It's a nice position to be in to go either/or ... land Reid (if it doesn't cost too much) or get hold of pick 4 and use picks 4 & 5 to either land 2 excellent prospects or trade the picks for genuine talent (as we've done in the past)

Sometimes we've earmarked and acquired talent (away from the draft) and other times we've acquired experienced talent later on during the trade period

So either/or has worked and will continue working as Taylor is the best in the business

8 minutes ago, Grand New Flag said:

As I mentioned before, we don't have enough room on our list.  MFC only wanted to delist/trade 3, possibly 4.  Now with Melk that could be 5.  Simply the MFC would be forced to delist players that they don't want to or they think are lessor players than what the draft offers. 

 

I would think Melksham, Hibbo and possibly Ben Brown will retire. That’s 3 already. 
Dunstan won’t get a new deal. JJ will leave. Harmes will also likely go. And Grundy is almost certain to be traded. 

We have one rookie upgrade in McVee. How do we only need 3 picks then? 

1 hour ago, Edm said:

Adelaide will happily trade 2024 first round pick 

they get Scott welshs son 

touted as a top three pick 

I forgot about him. He does look great but I perhaps wouldn't put him in the same category as Walter in his under-age year. Obviously a lot can change over the course of their top age year.

They may very well go for it, but they run the risk of pulling a Collingwood who infamously traded out their future pick thinking Daicos would go at pick 1. 

Collingwood crashed to 17th with GWS the beneficiaries, using their pick 2 on Callaghan. Pies could have had both players with Daicos sliding to pick 4 for various reasons.

Edited August 30, 20232 yr by Nascent

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

i'm going to make an argument against this...

...if we pick two talented players, they're going to sign the standard two-year deal for picks...

...now let's say they extend that to an initial three-year deal...

...but what guarantee do they have of breaking into a perennial finals side?

in two or three years time they might be frustrated with their lack of opportunity and request a trade for greater opportunity elsewhere; what's the chance we'd get a pick 4 or 5 back for them? i'd say unlikely - at the moment first / second round picks like jefferson (who will need to get ahead of jvr and petty) or laurie (in competition with spargo, chandler) or jordon (sparrow, woewodin, etc.) can't be guaranteed a spot in our side, and they have the added benefit of being part of our system and have, with the exception of jefferson, experienced a 'taste' of senior footy

we're far, far better off putting our eggs in one top basket and backing one player who is considered by champion data to be the best talent and to have the best underage #s since petracca to break into our side quickly and to influence our play

You make a good point which no doubt will be considered by our Recruiting and list management teams. A generational talent would be a huge pick up. Reid will be a game breaking type of player.

Getting 2 early picks though would enable us to pick up maybe a replacement for May (getting older)/Tomlinson, eg O'Sullivan and perhaps Spargo if he has 'run his race' with a Watson or a Caddy to replace T McDonald/B Brown. 

 

50 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I would think Melksham, Hibbo and possibly Ben Brown will retire. That’s 3 already. 
Dunstan won’t get a new deal. JJ will leave. Harmes will also likely go. And Grundy is almost certain to be traded. 

We have one rookie upgrade in McVee. How do we only need 3 picks then? 

It's Daniel Turner who gets upgraded in 24, McVee gets upgraded in 25.

1 hour ago, Grand New Flag said:

Only years of multiple AAA trading and recruiting can get a club into this position.  Forget Gawn or Track, JT is our most valuable asset.

 

You can thank Mark Neeld for that.

 

1 hour ago, Edm said:

Adelaide will happily trade 2024 first round pick 

they get Scott welshs son 

touted as a top three pick 

They’d also project a late first rounder next year. I have Crom finishing top 4.

Still, they may not want to burn their picks this year for a single early choice, like we clearly do.

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

I would think Melksham, Hibbo and possibly Ben Brown will retire. That’s 3 already. 
Dunstan won’t get a new deal. JJ will leave. Harmes will also likely go. And Grundy is almost certain to be traded. 

We have one rookie upgrade in McVee. How do we only need 3 picks then? 

Fair call, clearly there are more spots than 3.  We are spending our Bonazza on moving up the draft or perhaps trading for another gun.  

 

4 hours ago, YearOfTheDees said:

I have long wanted to be a hated club. 

Pretty sure Ralph already does......

We lost what we believe was a generational talent in Jackson so I’m all in on replacing him with another with our arsenal of picks. 

1 hour ago, Grand New Flag said:

Fair call, clearly there are more spots than 3.  We are spending our Bonazza on moving up the draft or perhaps trading for another gun.  

 

Hibberd was about to get another year and Brown has one to run. unless the club changes its mind on Hibbo and Brown wants to retire they will both still be there. Can't see Dunstan or Melksham going on now but Melksham was also about to get another year before Sunday. 

Picks 4 and 5 for 1 just seems a risk. Would love to know JT's current thoughts on Reid if he actually wants him this badly

1 hour ago, YearOfTheDees said:

Hibberd was about to get another year and Brown has one to run. unless the club changes its mind on Hibbo and Brown wants to retire they will both still be there. Can't see Dunstan or Melksham going on now but Melksham was also about to get another year before Sunday. 

Wouldn't the club do the right thing by Melksham and give him another year to support him thru his ACL recovery, even if we put him on the Inactive list?

Edit:  Similarly for Dunstan.  Seems a bit rough to just cut them loose.

Edited August 30, 20232 yr by Lucifers Hero

17 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Wouldn't the club do the right thing by Melksham and give him another year to support him thru his ACL recovery, even if we put him on the Inactive list?

Edit:  Similarly for Dunstan.  Seems a bit rough to just cut them loose.

I agree if they just cut them loose the optics are very bad. So it's find other jobs within the club or they choose to retire.