Hitout to Advantage Rates

[Demonland 74,467]

From: https://www.zerohanger.com/carlton-tall-ranks-no-1-as-afls-most-efficient-among-top-ruckmen-136328/

A trio of prominent ruckmen that are yet to surpass the 200 ruck contests benchmark include Darcy Cameron, Max Gawn and Luke Jackson, with the latter being the most efficient of the three.

Jackson's numbers so far this year are good for 17.09%, ahead of Gawn (16.22%) and Cameron (16.02%), with the new Fremantle star recording 27 hit-outs to advantage from his 158 ruck contests.

2023 AFL ruck efficiency ratings after seven rounds

Rank	Player	Total Ruck Contests (RC)	Total Hit-Outs	Hit-Out Win %	Hit-Outs to Advantage (HTA)	Hit-Outs to Advantage %	HTA per RC (%)
1	Marc Pittonet	289	135	46.7	56	41.5	19.38
2	Ned Reeves	389	205	52.7	65	31.7	16.71
3	Todd Goldstein	405	174	43	66	37.9	16.30
4	Sean Darcy	499	296	59.3	80	27	16.03
5	Brodie Grundy	364	180	49.5	58	32.2	15.93
6	Matthew Flynn	436	204	46.8	68	33.3	15.60
7	Jarrod Witts	369	178	48.2	55	30.9	14.91
8	Reilly O'Brien	503	253	50.3	72	28.5	14.31
9	Toby Nankervis	294	148	50.3	41	27.7	13.95
10	Andrew Phillips	201	108	53.7	28	25.9	13.93
11	Oscar McInerney	475	219	46.1	59	26.9	12.42
12	Tim English	519	193	37.2	64	33.2	12.33
13	Rowan Marshall	422	176	41.7	52	29.5	12.32
14	Mark Blicavs	241	92	38.2	29	31.5	12.03
15	Sam Draper	371	154	41.5	44	28.6	11.86
16	Rhys Stanley	224	98	43.8	26	26.5	11.61
17	Billy Frampton	210	87	41.4	22	25.3	10.48
18	Tom De Koning	235	91	38.7	24	26.4	10.21
19	Bailey J. Williams	500	175	35	47	26.9	9.40
20	Scott Lycett	291	107	36.8	25	23.4	8.59
21	Peter Ladhams	446	166	37.2	37	22.3	8.30

Top 21 ruckman ranked for HTA per RC% (min. 200 ruck contests attended) 

[sue 9,277]

What's the definition of hit out to advantage?  If it is hit directly to a player who is sure to be tackled instantly I wouldn't consider that to be an advantage (except when a team is trying to ice the clock).

[Demonland 74,467]

8 minutes ago, sue said:

What's the definition of hit out to advantage?  If it is hit directly to a player who is sure to be tackled instantly I wouldn't consider that to be an advantage (except when a team is trying to ice the clock).

You would assume it would have to result in a meaningful possession to count.

[IRW 1,388]

12 minutes ago, sue said:

What's the definition of hit out to advantage?  If it is hit directly to a player who is sure to be tackled instantly I wouldn't consider that to be an advantage (except when a team is trying to ice the clock).

It appears to be a fanciful stat for the sake of having a stat to valorise ruckmen when actually it's down to the efficiency of mids getting the ball forward to a team mate on the outside

Edited May 3, 2023 by IRW

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,137]

A trio of prominent ruckmen that are yet to surpass the 200 ruck contests benchmark include Darcy Cameron, Max Gawn and Luke Jackson, with the latter being the most efficient of the three.

Once again, Demonland comes to the rescue of the English language. "Latter" should only be used to refer to the second of two options. The correct word to use when there are three or more would be "last".

You're welcome.

 

[Dee Zephyr 19,326]

Gawn’s tap to Trac for a goal in the third quarter against North was as hitout to advantage as you’ll get.

[Demon Dynasty 17,169]

2 hours ago, sue said:

What's the definition of hit out to advantage?  If it is hit directly to a player who is sure to be tackled instantly I wouldn't consider that to be an advantage (except when a team is trying to ice the clock).

..."A hitout that leads to a teammate gaining direct possession of the ball with the opportunity to dispose of it"...

courtesy:  Champion Data

[tiers 2,883]

How about a hit out to the oppo's advantage? They have learned how to shark Maxie's hit outs better than us.

A better definition would be a hit out that, even if not to a team mate, does not allow the oppos to have an opportunity for a clear disposal.

[deanox 10,070]

6 hours ago, tiers said:

How about a hit out to the oppo's advantage? They have learned how to shark Maxie's hit outs better than us.

A better definition would be a hit out that, even if not to a team mate, does not allow the oppos to have an opportunity for a clear disposal.

Yeah "Net Hit Outs to Advantage" is a much better stat (ie how many more hit outs to advantage than hit outs to disadvantage). 

[david_neitz_is_my_dad 4,084]

I'm not surprised that Max isn't high on the list for hitouts that actually go to our mids

[58er 6,872]

13 hours ago, IRW said:

It appears to be a fanciful stat for the sake of having a stat to valorise ruckmen when actually it's down to the efficiency of mids getting the ball forward to a team mate on the outside

Can't be fine without a ruck hitting the ball first on many occasions to a favourable spot in the centre. 

[58er 6,872]

4 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

I'm not surprised that Max isn't high on the list for hitouts that actually go to our mids

He is in the top 10 so is high!! 

[leave it to deever 17,621]

This is an aspect of Grundy 's game that is very noticeable when watching. He's done well to work with his teammates in a short period of time. 

[BDA 23,048]

Grundy is a quality ruckman. He has max covered from a ruck perspective. Of course max is brilliant around the ground and there’s no better contested mark in the league.

Edited May 3, 2023 by BDA

[leave it to deever 17,621]

18 minutes ago, BDA said:

Grundy is a quality ruckman. He has max covered from a ruck perspective. Of course max is brilliant around the ground and there’s no better contested mark than in the league.

If Max could improve his goal kicking and Grundy, his marking, it would make a big difference.

Edited May 3, 2023 by leave it to deever

[layzie 34,528]

This doesn't surprise me, when Grundy wins a clean hitout it's usually to a mid our at least into space that give a mid the best chance to get it.

[MrFreeze 2,055]

Max and Tim English provide much more than hit outs to advantage. IMO a rucks around the ground work is way more important these days. 

[Jaded No More 68,976]

10 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

Max and Tim English provide much more than hit outs to advantage. IMO a rucks around the ground work is way more important these days. 

Correct. Gawn needs to be measured on his contested marking as well, which is amongst the best in the game. Not to mention his insane work rate for a guy his size. 

Teams have spent years trying to feed off his tap work, so it's little wonder that it's no longer as advantageous to us as it once was.