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A trio of prominent ruckmen that are yet to surpass the 200 ruck contests benchmark include Darcy Cameron, Max Gawn and Luke Jackson, with the latter being the most efficient of the three.

Jackson's numbers so far this year are good for 17.09%, ahead of Gawn (16.22%) and Cameron (16.02%), with the new Fremantle star recording 27 hit-outs to advantage from his 158 ruck contests.

2023 AFL ruck efficiency ratings after seven rounds

Rank Player Total Ruck Contests (RC) Total Hit-Outs Hit-Out Win % Hit-Outs to Advantage (HTA) Hit-Outs to Advantage % HTA per RC (%)
1 Marc Pittonet 289 135 46.7 56 41.5 19.38
2 Ned Reeves 389 205 52.7 65 31.7 16.71
3 Todd Goldstein 405 174 43 66 37.9 16.30
4 Sean Darcy 499 296 59.3 80 27 16.03
5 Brodie Grundy 364 180 49.5 58 32.2 15.93
6 Matthew Flynn 436 204 46.8 68 33.3 15.60
7 Jarrod Witts 369 178 48.2 55 30.9 14.91
8 Reilly O'Brien 503 253 50.3 72 28.5 14.31
9 Toby Nankervis 294 148 50.3 41 27.7 13.95
10 Andrew Phillips 201 108 53.7 28 25.9 13.93
11 Oscar McInerney 475 219 46.1 59 26.9 12.42
12 Tim English 519 193 37.2 64 33.2 12.33
13 Rowan Marshall 422 176 41.7 52 29.5 12.32
14 Mark Blicavs 241 92 38.2 29 31.5 12.03
15 Sam Draper 371 154 41.5 44 28.6 11.86
16 Rhys Stanley 224 98 43.8 26 26.5 11.61
17 Billy Frampton 210 87 41.4 22 25.3 10.48
18 Tom De Koning 235 91 38.7 24 26.4 10.21
19 Bailey J. Williams 500 175 35 47 26.9 9.40
20 Scott Lycett 291 107 36.8 25 23.4 8.59
21 Peter Ladhams 446 166 37.2 37 22.3 8.30

Top 21 ruckman ranked for HTA per RC% (min. 200 ruck contests attended) 

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    What's the definition of hit out to advantage?  If it is hit directly to a player who is sure to be tackled instantly I wouldn't consider that to be an advantage (except when a team is trying to ice the clock).

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    12 minutes ago, sue said:

    What's the definition of hit out to advantage?  If it is hit directly to a player who is sure to be tackled instantly I wouldn't consider that to be an advantage (except when a team is trying to ice the clock).

    It appears to be a fanciful stat for the sake of having a stat to valorise ruckmen when actually it's down to the efficiency of mids getting the ball forward to a team mate on the outside

    Edited by IRW

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    A trio of prominent ruckmen that are yet to surpass the 200 ruck contests benchmark include Darcy Cameron, Max Gawn and Luke Jackson, with the latter being the most efficient of the three.

    Once again, Demonland comes to the rescue of the English language. "Latter" should only be used to refer to the second of two options. The correct word to use when there are three or more would be "last".

    You're welcome.

     

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    Gawn’s tap to Trac for a goal in the third quarter against North was as hitout to advantage as you’ll get.

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    2 hours ago, sue said:

    What's the definition of hit out to advantage?  If it is hit directly to a player who is sure to be tackled instantly I wouldn't consider that to be an advantage (except when a team is trying to ice the clock).

    ..."A hitout that leads to a teammate gaining direct possession of the ball with the opportunity to dispose of it"...

    courtesy:  Champion Data

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    How about a hit out to the oppo's advantage? They have learned how to shark Maxie's hit outs better than us.

    A better definition would be a hit out that, even if not to a team mate, does not allow the oppos to have an opportunity for a clear disposal.

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    6 hours ago, tiers said:

    How about a hit out to the oppo's advantage? They have learned how to shark Maxie's hit outs better than us.

    A better definition would be a hit out that, even if not to a team mate, does not allow the oppos to have an opportunity for a clear disposal.

    Yeah "Net Hit Outs to Advantage" is a much better stat (ie how many more hit outs to advantage than hit outs to disadvantage). 

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    13 hours ago, IRW said:

    It appears to be a fanciful stat for the sake of having a stat to valorise ruckmen when actually it's down to the efficiency of mids getting the ball forward to a team mate on the outside

    Can't be fine without a ruck hitting the ball first on many occasions to a favourable spot in the centre. 

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    4 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

    I'm not surprised that Max isn't high on the list for hitouts that actually go to our mids

    He is in the top 10 so is high!! 

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    This is an aspect of Grundy 's game that is very noticeable when watching. He's done well to work with his teammates in a short period of time. 

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    Grundy is a quality ruckman. He has max covered from a ruck perspective. Of course max is brilliant around the ground and there’s no better contested mark in the league.

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    18 minutes ago, BDA said:

    Grundy is a quality ruckman. He has max covered from a ruck perspective. Of course max is brilliant around the ground and there’s no better contested mark than in the league.

    If Max could improve his goal kicking and Grundy, his marking, it would make a big difference.

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    This doesn't surprise me, when Grundy wins a clean hitout it's usually to a mid our at least into space that give a mid the best chance to get it.

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    Max and Tim English provide much more than hit outs to advantage. IMO a rucks around the ground work is way more important these days. 

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    10 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

    Max and Tim English provide much more than hit outs to advantage. IMO a rucks around the ground work is way more important these days. 

    Correct. Gawn needs to be measured on his contested marking as well, which is amongst the best in the game. Not to mention his insane work rate for a guy his size. 

    Teams have spent years trying to feed off his tap work, so it's little wonder that it's no longer as advantageous to us as it once was. 

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