POSTGAME: Rd 07 vs North Melbourne

[Macca 16,972]

So here's a question

How can a player be seen as a player who often turns the ball over yet at the same time somehow has an elite Disposal Efficiency rating?

That's Brayshaw

Rarely gets votes in the 'land award.  Barely gets mentioned unless he plays an outstanding game

Is it because he came 3rd in the Brownlow and now gets measured against that outlier season? 

I mean I wouldn't have had him 3rd in the Brownlow that year but I don't hold it against him

 

 

[DeeSpencer 25,713]

5 minutes ago, BDA said:

I agree @DeeSpencer produces some great analysis. I read all his posts. But i don't understand the constant bagging of Gus (Lewis was another who was always in the gun). At this stage it seems to be purely spiteful.

I didn’t bring them either of them up in this thread. Macca asked, I answered 

[Macca 16,972]

1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

I didn’t bring them either of them up in this thread. Macca asked, I answered 

We live with our words ... it's nothing personal, you know that

Just a spirited debate about the value of certain individuals

It would be a dull old world if we always agreed ... I don't hold grudges and never will

To me, these discussions online take the place of pubtalk ... as an example I was with a group of Demons watching the Essendon game at the local

Eventually the umpires copped the ire and I argued against that appraisal.  It was a spirited argument but then quickly forgotten once it was obvious that we got outplayed

So keep posting the way you do DS.  I just disagree with you occasionally

[old55 23,591]

15 minutes ago, Macca said:

I'm sticking up for a player (Brayshaw) who is much maligned on this site

Is that somehow against the sites code of conduct? 

Blinkered & triggered?  I've seen you speak in exactly the same way about any number of players over the years

You should be on my side as most of the needless arguments on this site are caused by the unfair criticisms of 1 or 2 players (often when the whole team has been at fault)

In effect, I'm hosing down the fire and pulling people into line.  Takes a while but it does work

Eventually the knockers are subdued

 

All I said was "coming for DS" not that you've gone "against the sites code of conduct"

Like I said DS is in the opinion business and he aways provides reasoning for his position. I don't always agree and sometimes I strongly disagree, but overall I appreciate his content and that's why I highlighted his thoughtful Spargo vs JJ post and defended him.

Players are not immune from reasoned critique. I've argued against him on Brayshaw too but I defend his right to his reasoned opinions.

There's a hundred posters here posting ill-thought-through hip-shooting nonsense. DS isn't one of them in my book.

[DeeSince73 488]

Although we didn't get the 100 Plus point victory last night I'm secretly hoping we can do it against Hawthorn who have battered and kicked us around for years. I still have nightmares about 1987. 🫣

[demon3165 2,719]

5 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

If you don’t go fairly long and direct against any team and especially a side like the Pies they’ll have folded 15 behind the ball and then you’re in trouble too.

I thought the first half was about the perfect balance last night. Forwards were getting deep and opening up space. Mids and backs were running and then using the half forwards and corridor.

Tracc, Nibbler, Pickett and Chandler were all buzzing up around half forward and getting it to leading targets.

Well I see things differently, forget last night unfortunately north are uncompetitive from the get go, then they ended up 3 injured and only two on the bench, but you can only play who you are up against.

You have to ask yourself how are we going to go against the top sides regarding our forward structure, and if we keep just bombing it we are going to find it hard to score against these sides, I would not mind it if we had a Curnow, Cameron etc but we don't and good sides know that.

Anyone looking at the replay you will see players calling for the kick into the centre with no one around but players don't even look, we should have players leading and dragging their opponents away from the bigger guys to give them a chance to impact.

Rounds 10, 12, 13, 15 will give us a guide to our seasonand with a bit of luck staying in the top 4.

[Macca 16,972]

17 minutes ago, old55 said:

All I said was "coming for DS" not that you've gone "against the sites code of conduct"

Like I said DS is in the opinion business and he aways provides reasoning for his position. I don't always agree and sometimes I strongly disagree, but overall I appreciate his content and that's why I highlighted his thoughtful Spargo vs JJ post and defended him.

Players are not immune from reasoned critique. I've argued against him on Brayshaw too but I defend his right to his reasoned opinions.

There's a hundred posters here posting ill-thought-through hip-shooting nonsense. DS isn't one of them in my book.

By and large I agree but again, it's just a spirited argument

And my aim is not to change DS's mind on Brayshaw.  It's more so those who aren't sure on his value that I'm looking at

So going against a could-be tide is about influencing others to step-up.  Not necessarily the person you might be arguing with

Down the track, Brayshaw could well be not maligned at all. 

But there will be another player to take his place no doubt.  That's how things roll

[Jaded No More 68,921]

If we cared about winning by 100 or more we wouldn’t have subbed out Hibbo or had May on the bench for long periods in the last. Or start Oliver on the bench in both the third and fourth quarters (has that ever been done?!). 
We cared about winning and protecting our players after a grueling 5 day break and before yet another interstate trip. 
It was clearly the plan to come out hard in the first and ice the game by half time. After half time we saw a heap of midfield rotations. Trac spent a long time forward, Clarry was on the bench heaps. They rotated both wings and we saw some different midfield combos. 
When it’s round 7 you don’t take unnecessary risks when the game is already done and dusted.

I care more about getting out of the game with a clean bill of health than May doing a hamstring with 5 minutes to go trying to stop a goal in a 90 point demolition. 

[jnrmac 20,089]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

If we cared about winning by 100 or more we wouldn’t have subbed out Hibbo or had May on the bench for long periods in the last. Or start Oliver on the bench in both the third and fourth quarters (has that ever been done?!). 
We cared about winning and protecting our players after a grueling 5 day break and before yet another interstate trip. 
It was clearly the plan to come out hard in the first and ice the game by half time. After half time we saw a heap of midfield rotations. Trac spent a long time forward, Clarry was on the bench heaps. They rotated both wings and we saw some different midfield combos. 
When it’s round 7 you don’t take unnecessary risks when the game is already done and dusted.

I care more about getting out of the game with a clean bill of health than May doing a hamstring with 5 minutes to go trying to stop a goal in a 90 point demolition. 

I think you may be ignoring the fact that North chose to hold onto the ball for longer and chip it around. ie keepings off. They weren't able to maintain possession for long periods though but it did slow us down.

[leave it to deever 17,511]

7 hours ago, kev martin said:

I noticed a sneaky car park area some were using.

It is between the on/off area to the domain tunnel, making for quick access to the freeway, or Batman ave.

It is on a service road that leads to the electrical station of the tunnel, via a dirt road.

To get to the MCG, cross the domain tunnel rd and go up the back stairs of AAMI park.

The other sneaky park is near punt rd, with an entrance under the freeway, off punt Rd heading north.

 

Not so sneaky now.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,221]

8 hours ago, dees189227 said:

Steven may wasn't happy we coughed up the last 3 either. I think it's a good thing some players were a bit annoyed by that. It shows just how good we want to be.

As Trac said after the game it's about standards and behaviours and reinforcing good habits. Mooney and Brereton both said after the game our list should have at least 1 and probably 2 more flags in it and Mooney said Petracca had made similar comments to him at the Fox Footy launch earlier in the year (they know we have the list and the time to win is now). So it comes with the territory, you have these ultra competitors they never want to give an inch. It's like the stories about Barassi as a player, he hated losing whether it be on the field or playing table tennis with teammates in the change rooms. May hates losing and that means losing a contest not just a game - so conceding three goals in a row to get the margin under 100 would've annoyed him which I think is a great mentality for a pro footballer to have.

Edited April 30, 2023 by Dr. Gonzo

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I wish this was the final quarter. I can’t see Collingwood NOT running over the top of them. 😭

[dazzledavey36 54,946]

Bit sore and bothered from playing local footy so to be able to sit back last night and the heart rate not rise one bit was refreshing. 

I certainly did not expect this kind of performance off the back of a 5 day break. We were so ruthless on our attack on the footy that we kept at it for 4 full quarters.

Not one bit bothered they kicked 3 goals in the end. Any 90 point win against a Alistair Clarkson side is impressive enough. I'm sure Goody and the coaches will have their say on that internally. 

Huge clash next week against the Suns at their home ground. Another 4 quarters boys.

Edited April 30, 2023 by dazzledavey36

[Dr. Gonzo 24,221]

6 hours ago, DubDee said:

i don’t get the logic of - you can’t bring a new guy in just for one week and then drop him

of course you can. he is in his 8th season. this was big chance in a drubbing and he still didn’t show any presence. he should have been throwing his body around and getting into everything.

we can’t carry a kid like JVR and Schache in the same forward line. 

Not only that, but for JVR's development I think we need another mature key forward to take the heat off him be it Brown or McDonald.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,221]

6 hours ago, layzie said:

Some night hey? Somehow this game ended up in a primetime slot on Sat night at the G, for some reason there were no guidewires across the top of the G and it was seagull city. But the footy was pretty good.

First quarter was one of our best this season, our defensive structure was setup brilliantly and pressure was high forcing North to kick long. I was surprised that North didn't take more of a Richmond approach and keep moving it on to catch us wrong-footed. 

We executed 1%ers really well in this half, sometimes too well going for an extra tap on but I liked the idea. We sort of went into auto-pilot which is to be expected when you kill off a team early.

 

We played it perfectly. This is exactly how you treat games against inferior oppo - come out breathing fire and put your foot to the throat in the first quarter. Go into quarter time 40 points up and the lower team drops their heads and thinks it's all too hard. Then you just keep grinding them away for the next quarter and a bit until they will completely and you run over the top in the last with some cheap goals.

This is the level of performance I want to see against the Suns, Hawks and Freo over the next month. Not saying we have to win by 15 goals plus but we should be putting these sides away early and giving us plenty of junktime late in games to keep our legs fresh.

[Macca 16,972]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We played it perfectly. This is exactly how you treat games against inferior oppo - come out breathing fire and put your foot to the throat in the first quarter. Go into quarter time 40 points up and the lower team drops their heads and thinks it's all too hard.

Yeah, like the J.E.T.S with Rodgers

[deva5610 970]

3 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

After half time we saw a heap of midfield rotations. Trac spent a long time forward, Clarry was on the bench heaps. They rotated both wings and we saw some different midfield combos. 

Geez you're not wrong about resting players.
Oliver TOG - 79%
Trac TOG - 75%

Not sure when (if ever) I've seen numbers that low for either of them, they're normally both mid/high 80s.

Edited April 30, 2023 by deva5610

[layzie 33,813]

5 hours ago, Macca said:

So here's a question

How can a player be seen as a player who often turns the ball over yet at the same time somehow has an elite Disposal Efficiency rating?

That's Brayshaw

Rarely gets votes in the 'land award.  Barely gets mentioned unless he plays an outstanding game

Is it because he came 3rd in the Brownlow and now gets measured against that outlier season? 

I mean I wouldn't have had him 3rd in the Brownlow that year but I don't hold it against him

 

 

Brayshaw's 20-40 metre passes in defensive 50 are as safe as anyone back there right now. I don't quite get the mixed reviews either.

[Willmoy1947 4,090]

Not sure whether i agree with talking about winning multiple flags at the moment is good for  a balanced season effort as we slip to second on the ladder. Put a bloody lid on that right now CP,,,

[layzie 33,813]

58 minutes ago, Macca said:

Yeah, like the J.E.T.S with Rodgers

AR08

[Monbon 1,840]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Bit sore and bothered from playing local footy so to be able to sit back last night and the heart rate not rise one bit was refreshing. 

I certainly did not expect this kind of performance off the back of a 5 day break. We were so ruthless on our attack on the footy that we kept at it for 4 full quarters.

Not one bit bothered they kicked 3 goals in the end. Any 90 point win against a Alistair Clarkson side is impressive enough. I'm sure Goody and the coaches will have their say on that internally. 

Huge clash next week against the Suns at their home ground. Another 4 quarters boys.

North actually played reasonable football in the last three quarters: they have some good young players. Despite their ability to win the ball, their forward line was obliterated by our boys, and there are weaknesses in their back half. It does worry me that both Schache and Van R hardly touched the ball. I loved Chandler, Neale Bullen, Sparrow and Rivers and Bowey, not to mention the relatively consistent contributions of Pickett and Fritsch.

[Davos 921]

I wanted to pop on here to voice my admiration for Ben Cunnington - probably my favourite non-Melbourne player in the league. 

In a dog of a night for the Roos, I thought he was terrific. 

[DeeZone 9,847]

Monday night was a hard tough slog and we finally over tun the Tiges in front of 84k people. Last night after a five day break it was a demolition derby driven by Tracc, Clarry, Gus, Chandler, Kozzie, Fritta, Grundy, Max, Steven and all members of the team. My pulse remained steady even more relaxed than the trip in and out to the G with 6 adults and grandson crammed into the Everest. The only disappointment was the size of the crowd 29k which meant a whole lot of Dee supporters missed out on the Drubbing first hand. Dees were switched on from first bounce until 25 minute mark of the final quarter and Kade Chandler showed us that he is the real deal and he also won the 65” TVfrom Ch7. The trip home was a happy one as well. Well played Dees.!!!!

[Macca 16,972]

40 minutes ago, layzie said:

Brayshaw's 20-40 metre passes in defensive 50 are as safe as anyone back there right now. I don't quite get the mixed reviews either.

I've said my bit and it's time to chat about how we're going to beat the Pies & Cats.  We're going to have to beat both to get where we want to get to.  To me they are the 2 standouts

Saints, Port, Crows and Blues aren't going to be easy either.  And the Lions

Bank the next 2 with some ruthless footy and then it gets hard ... at Port, Freo at home is a must win, then Blues, Pies & Cats.  After that the Giants & Saints

We need to be fresh for the latter encounters too so some tweaking with the line-ups over the next 2 is important.  Sooner or later the legs start to feel it (although 3 x 10 day breaks is handy) 

But hey, it's one week at a time.  Always remember that!

[wonnabeeri 275]

21 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I hope those in here expressing disappointment in a 90 point margin aren’t the same posters who were worried we’d lose pre-game. 

Off a 5-day break with a few players missing (Petty, Spargo, Salem) we played clinical football against an admittedly at times pathetic opponent. A percentage boost and (hopefully) no injuries.

Loved Chandler’s game and again the work of our wingers was important. Grundy’s marking is no good but when be gets going in clearance and transition he makes us so good. Tonight felt like he rucked heaps more than Gawn, perhaps a fitness thing for Gawn?

Not sure Schache did enough to hold his spot. 22 goals with the two tall forwards kicking just 2 total shows that we have many pathways to goal.

Like others I’m disappointed in the crowd but I wasn’t able to go tonight for personal reasons so can’t point the finger. But we really need to be pulling 30,000 of our own to all our MCG home games. I maintain that our fanbase don’t like night games (outside of ANZAC Eve). 

People have better things to do than football every single week. I love the dees, but I'm not spending EVERY weekend night i have going to the footy.