POSTGAME: Rd 04 vs West Coast

[DemonicFinalFantasy 225]

7 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

When I said he looked down I didn't mean his form. He was brilliant on the weekend!

Just that he looked less emotionally animated than usual. Used to seeing him smile and really enjoy his teammates more. Hopefully, it was just the one off :)

I felt he was disengaged somewhat at Roo's debut announcement and was disappointed not to see him at R3 supporting the team (was interstate?).

I hope we are offering flexibility in his contract and would be happy for another 2 years, and then wish him well should he decide to leave, rather than only offer a long term contract. 

His mood is likely reflective of a person trying to please everyone but knowing someone will end up disappointed. My thoughts are he will go, but ... 🙏

[Young Blood 2,341]

42 minutes ago, DemonicFinalFantasy said:

I felt he was disengaged somewhat at Roo's debut announcement and was disappointed not to see him at R3 supporting the team (was interstate?).

I hope we are offering flexibility in his contract and would be happy for another 2 years, and then wish him well should he decide to leave, rather than only offer a long term contract. 

His mood is likely reflective of a person trying to please everyone but knowing someone will end up disappointed. My thoughts are he will go, but ... 🙏

Echoing my thoughts as well. Lets enjoy him while he's here!

[Demon Dynasty 17,108]

1 hour ago, DemonicFinalFantasy said:

I felt he was disengaged somewhat at Roo's debut announcement and was disappointed not to see him at R3 supporting the team (was interstate?).

I hope we are offering flexibility in his contract and would be happy for another 2 years, and then wish him well should he decide to leave, rather than only offer a long term contract. 

His mood is likely reflective of a person trying to please everyone but knowing someone will end up disappointed. My thoughts are he will go, but ... 🙏

 

22 minutes ago, Young Blood said:

Echoing my thoughts as well. Lets enjoy him while he's here!

 

16 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I also thought he appeared not quite himself on Sunday. I was hoping I was imagining it so didn’t mention it to any of the others watching the game. But now that you and a couple of others have touched on it, I’m sure he was out of sorts. He looked like someone with something weighing heavily on his mind. Probably because he is. I feel sorry for him. It’s a lot of pressure for a young person. 

 

16 hours ago, D4Life said:

A few Demonlanders commented Kossie was down on Sunday made me wonder, as I only got to see the highlights and his speed and ball movement were terrific, he kicked 2.5 so could have easily had 4 or 5 goals, so look forward to seeing what he does when he is up and about!!

 

14 hours ago, Deestar9 said:

He looked like a player who missed 2 weeks through suspension & therefore a bit of gameday form. As the game progressed so did his touch. 

 

 

14 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

BDA, if the standard of the 2 games Kossie has played are a result of him being “distracted”, then I hope he doesn’t make a decision till after our grand final!

A few posters have been to spec savers and a few might need to go.

Statistically speaking he was our 2nd highest rated forward on Sunday behind Macca and apart from missing a few gettables he was in our top 10 rated players (ranked 8th) on the day.

Easily in our top 5 based on averages so far this season.  Roughly equal 4th with Reg Grundee.

Edited April 12, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[WalkingCivilWar 39,266]

4 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

 

 

 

 

 

A few posters have been to spec savers and a few might need to go.

He was our 2nd highest rated forward on Sunday behind Macca and apart from missing a few gettables he was in our top 10 rated players (ranked 8th) on the day.

Easily in our top 5 based on averages so far this season.  Roughly equal 4th with Reg Grundee.

I wasn’t at all referring to his performance. I noticed his overall demeanour was different. He didn’t seem as exuberant as usual. And it’s not that I was looking out for it, I’d forgotten about the whole will he or won’t he thing. It struck me early in the match and continued on that way. 

[Young Blood 2,341]

@Demon Dynasty Yeah so yourself and a few others missed the original point I made. 

To quote myself in previous post

'When I said he looked down I didn't mean his form. He was brilliant on the weekend!'

And he has been all season in the games he played.

The point myself and others have noted is that while he played a fantastic game, he didn't look himself emotionally. We're used to a more charismatic Kozzy on field that smiles and gets pumped up. He looked flat and not as engaged with teammates which is odd for him.

[ElDiablo14 4,971]

It would definitely be a huge disappointment to lose both Jackson and Kozzy. I don't think the club is at fault, I am sure you they have given both all the support and care that you'd expect for these young guns.

Makes you wonder why would you leave such a great situation at the Dees? 

[Engorged Onion 10,176]

41 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Makes you wonder why would you leave such a great situation at the Dees? 

Because proximity to family and connection mattering to him deeply, could be one option.

Edited April 12, 2023 by Engorged Onion

[ManDee 7,124]

23 hours ago, rpfc said:

It was touched FCS.

No question it was touched! 

But I believe it was touched behind the goal line.

[Mazer Rackham 14,971]

21 hours ago, Salems Lot said:

I found myself sitting next to a Cats supporter yesterday (I drifted in to watch a non MFC game for only the second time in 50 years of football attendance).  He asked me if I remembered the last quarter of the last round of 2021?  Remember? Remember?? I nearly choked on my cheese platter!!

He thought it appropriate to just sit himself down next to a Melbourne supporter? Just like that? Those [censored] Cats.

Anyway ... the correct response to his question is "No ... what happened? ... what, in the last few seconds? ... You mean that guy only had to watch the ball go out of bounds and the game would have been over, but he gave away a 50 metre penalty?"

[daisycutter 29,429]

14 minutes ago, ManDee said:

No question it was touched! 

But I believe it was touched behind the goal line.

no question it was touched behind the goal line

but it was also touched before goal line end

p.s. the goal line is set at the back of the padding (see other photos which clearly show painted line on ground)

[DeeZone 9,101]

2 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I wasn’t at all referring to his performance. I noticed his overall demeanour was different. He didn’t seem as exuberant as usual. And it’s not that I was looking out for it, I’d forgotten about the whole will he or won’t he thing. It struck me early in the match and continued on that way. 

Agree WCW my wife mentioned his  demeanour several times during the game so watched him closely during the replay he certainly didn’t ooze his usual exuberance hopefully just a little off.!!!

[ManDee 7,124]

30 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

no question it was touched behind the goal line

but it was also touched before goal line end

p.s. the goal line is set at the back of the padding (see other photos which clearly show painted line on ground)

I'm not sure that the back of the padding is the goal line after reading the rules. My understanding is the goal line is a vertical plane above the goal line on the ground. The padding is considered part of the post if hit by the ball. 

Interesting conundrum. 

[daisycutter 29,429]

6 minutes ago, ManDee said:

I'm not sure that the back of the padding is the goal line after reading the rules. My understanding is the goal line is a vertical plane above the goal line on the ground. The padding is considered part of the post if hit by the ball. 

Interesting conundrum. 

just look at the photos at ground level. the back of the white painted line is exactly in line with the back of the padding on the posts.

it may not be explicitly defined in the written rules but that is where they have drawn and adjudicated it.

we could argue till the cows come home as whether this the fairest solution or not, but the decision has been made. which ever way you choose creates its own problems 

the afl should update their written rules and try to educate the public better. but i suspect the afl likes controversy more than education because that means more clicks

[sue 9,053]

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

the afl should update their written rules and try to educate the public better. but i suspect the afl likes controversy more than education because that means more clicks

Well that's the only reason a so-called professional sport would be so lax as the AFL without defining the rules clearly without grey areas and endless interpretations.  As for educating  the public, finding the actual rules on the AFL website over the years has been a good way to spend a rainy afternoon.

I know a sport where the rules were apparently written by a team of lawyers with lots of  "Notwithstanding Rule 23.5 subsection 3, the ball must"..... etc which requires a law degree to understand.  But there are accompanying documents which explain what it means in various cases and no one has a problem.  And there are no grey areas. No clicks to be garnered there I guess.

[ManDee 7,124]

21 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

just look at the photos at ground level. the back of the white painted line is exactly in line with the back of the padding on the posts.

it may not be explicitly defined in the written rules but that is where they have drawn and adjudicated it.

we could argue till the cows come home as whether this the fairest solution or not, but the decision has been made. which ever way you choose creates its own problems 

the afl should update their written rules and try to educate the public better. but i suspect the afl likes controversy more than education because that means more clicks

So DC that creates more problems. In that scenario the goal line is behind the back of the post. Perhaps padding should go all the way to the top!

[daisycutter 29,429]

3 minutes ago, ManDee said:

So DC that creates more problems. In that scenario the goal line is behind the back of the post. Perhaps padding should go all the way to the top!

i said there were probs either way

i think they just take the padding essentially as high as someone's jumping hands could reach, so no-one could touch the ball above the padding.

there's no doubt that if the game was played without padding that it would have been a goal, but that's going back in a time machine.

just accept that it's a compromise rule and not perfect and move on

[Demonstone 21,945]

Still posting about this?  What is the point?  What is your goal?  

[sue 9,053]

24 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

i said there were probs either way

i think they just take the padding essentially as high as someone's jumping hands could reach, so no-one could touch the ball above the padding.

there's no doubt that if the game was played without padding that it would have been a goal, but that's going back in a time machine.

just accept that it's a compromise rule and not perfect and move on

I'm more than happy to move on about this particular goal (though I'm not sure how happy I'd be if we lost a GF that way).  But it will take me a while to move on from the fact our game the AFL runs appears to be run by a bunch of money-focussed suits who can't manage to write clear rules covering such basic issues.  If they did, we'd have no reason to have 50 posts on this issue

 

5 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Still posting about this?  What is the point?  What is your goal?  

To vent the above.

[In Harmes Way 7,716]

6 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

Still posting about this?  What is the point?  What is your goal?  

Where do you draw the line?

[Demon Dynasty 17,108]

4 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

I wasn’t at all referring to his performance. I noticed his overall demeanour was different. He didn’t seem as exuberant as usual. And it’s not that I was looking out for it, I’d forgotten about the whole will he or won’t he thing. It struck me early in the match and continued on that way. 

I didnt say 'who' was needing to visit spec savers

It was more directed at those saying he looked 'off' on the weekend.  

Settle down peeps 🤪

Edited April 12, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[ManDee 7,124]

6 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

Where do you draw the line?

Fair question. 

In all seriousness it would be good to know. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,108]

9 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

Where do you draw the line?

 

1 minute ago, ManDee said:

Fair question. 

In all seriousness it would be good to know. 

Usually in the sand?

[WalkingCivilWar 39,266]

2 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Fair question. 

In all seriousness it would be good to know. 

[layzie 33,285]

12 minutes ago, In Harmes Way said:

Where do you draw the line?

It's like they keep moving the goalposts.

[ManDee 7,124]

Just now, WalkingCivilWar said:

I got it, but I simply used it to segue my point. I don't  really care about the point/goal in our game but clarity would be good,  if you see my point 🙂