51 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

Thanks for the uptake, LDvC; it was a genuine invitation for discussion.

Barass and Bucks were two that occurred to me, and you'd be right to include Teddy and Lou with them. However, I feel the three 'oldies' were fairly narrowly 'footy blokes' and showed only parts of themselves - Lou and Ted their humour and knockabout-ness, Ron his seriousness, and all three their quirky passion.

Bucks comes closer, prepared to show different, revealing, non-footy, sides of himself - for example, in the few occasions I listened to him with Gerard Whateley - combined with more (expressed) football 'intelligence'. Compared to the others, he may have benefited from the much broader platform modern media gives to individuals, both in reach and in openness. However, fairly or not, he has seemed somewhat divisive and self-interested.

Daisy has benefited from the same thing, no doubt, and it has further involved between Bucks' and her 'times'. AFLW has contributed, encouraging further reach and, particularly, openness. There may also be 'a gender thing', in (generalisation warning!) women's preparedness to be vulnerable, particularly in supportive environments.

So, Daisy seems to have everything all the above have, and more, and of equal or better 'quality'. So, I think I'm still searching for peers.

More thoughts anyone?

Wasn't Ted Whitten refered to as 'Mrs Football' by Lou Richards and Barassi as Mr Football on channel 7 in the seventies and eighties.

Edited January 19, 20232 yr by Deebauched

Daisy is just incredible, insightful, considered, empathetic, a terrific leader and modest.

Hearing her talk to Gerard Whateley who is also very considered, was always a delight, I’d almost go Daisy for PM! 😃

Hopefully she comes back to the Demons before too long!

17 minutes ago, D4Life said:

Daisy is just incredible, insightful, considered, empathetic, a terrific leader and modest.

Hearing her talk to Gerard Whateley who is also very considered, was always a delight, I’d almost go Daisy for PM! 😃

Hopefully she comes back to the Demons before too long!

That would be the end of her popularity.

28 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

That would be the end of her popularity.

Yep, that'll do it every time.

The adulation will never stop.

4 hours ago, Pates said:

I find her special comments far more in line with the modern game compared to the likes of Dermie, Carey, and I’d throw in Gary Lyon as well (just to show I’m not biased 😉

100% agree.  Her special comments in the 2021 finals series were very informative (picking up on May’s hamstring issues as one example that comes to mind).

When it comes to providing comments during actual games on tactics or analytics, in my opinion,  at the moment she would be one of the best if not the best.

I would like to think that I am not at all influenced by the fact that she is associated with Melbourne or a female. She is just very good!

As an aside, I used to ‘love to hate’ Mathew Richardson as a player but actually was quite impressed with how went as a commentator after he retired from playing.

Edited January 19, 20232 yr by Wodjathefirst

16 hours ago, rpfc said:

Without sounding like a Social Justice Warrior or being too ‘Woke’ - go and look at some of the passive aggressive, to outright toxic, comments on social media on Daisy’s retirement. 

Read through that and tell me that a bloke would get the same treatment. 

surprised you still read social media, rpfc 😲

3 hours ago, Deebauched said:

I know i am playing with fire such is the request that we tone down this constant adulation of AFLW players. It goes on relentless 12 months a year. There are more positive comments about AFLW than the mens which is odd considering the massive difference in public interest.

AFLW players are lauded as brilliant athletes and legends or potential legends of the game.

Every AFLW article is basically the same.

The most positive thing i can think of is that AFLW has eaten into cricket media pie.

Good, i cant stand  modern day mens cricket.

 

 I want what you are smoking....

@Deebymistake, a discussion of your display name would find a home in the current arc of The No T$ No B$ Thread!

On this thread, big 👍update to all contributors.

1 hour ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

@Deebymistake, a discussion of your display name would find a home in the current arc of The No T$ No B$ Thread!

On this thread, big 👍update to all contributors.

Yes yes, my display name is questionable.  But so appropriate given how I became to love this club. I couldn't believe what I read by deebauched.  Surely it was tongue in cheek?  If not, I stand by my insinuation of his comments as crazy and an outlier to most others views!. We all have an opinion, we can post them and others can comment.  I sure as hell am going to comment when my insides reacted the way they did when reading deebauched's post.  

I knew this would happen.,lol

I wasnt being tongue in cheek. What did i say that wasnt accurate. Pierce is quite a good commentator but ive never seen her play but that goes for most of the footy public.

28 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

I knew this would happen.,lol

I wasnt being tongue in cheek. What did i say that wasnt accurate. Pierce is quite a good commentator but ive never seen her play but that goes for most of the footy public.

Congrats!  You knew someone would comment on a post you made on a public online forum.  Awesome.   Agree to disagree with regards to Daisy comments and  everything else you wrote, except the stuff about men's cricket.  We have found mutual ground.  My TV is constantly on the darn men's big bash (thanks other half) and I just can't escape it. Go Dees (in the AFL & AFLW).  

Didn't want to bring negativity here but no one else has so....

Whilst it could be lifestyle related I think Daisy joining the AFL program at Geelong rather than our own was a pretty solid red flag.

Her farewell press conference being in the middle of the mens training session and the lack of public praise from our mens group have both been clear indicators that the mens program just isn't all that invested in the womens team.

There might be some jealousy from them training at Goschs' almost permanently or just from them muscling in and taking some of the limited space at AAMI park but whatever the reason it's very disappointing.

At a mimimum Goodwin and Gawn should've been present at her farewell. Maybe if they were invested in the womens program she wouldn't be leaving in the first place.

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Didn't want to bring negativity here but no one else has so....

Whilst it could be lifestyle related I think Daisy joining the AFL program at Geelong rather than our own was a pretty solid red flag.

Her farewell press conference being in the middle of the mens training session and the lack of public praise from our mens group have both been clear indicators that the mens program just isn't all that invested in the womens team.

There might be some jealousy from them training at Goschs' almost permanently or just from them muscling in and taking some of the limited space at AAMI park but whatever the reason it's very disappointing.

At a mimimum Goodwin and Gawn should've been present at her farewell. Maybe if they were invested in the womens program she wouldn't be leaving in the first place.

Longer bows drawn here than the Battle of Hastings. Why does there need to be men's players present to give it legitimacy? Goodwin is not her coach, and Max is not her captain or a teammate. And they were busy training. Daisy was right to have the announcement at the time of her and her management's choosing. That timing would have been more to do with the news cycle than the availability of the men's team. The AFLW is a stand alone, not a sideshow for the men's comp. That's why they don't play curtain raisers!!

I usually like your options and insight, but you are really revealing your inner dinosaur here.

Let’s bring this back to Daisy and celebrating her stellar career.   She is a star.  I love her.  I visit Geelong frequently and will gladly abduct her and bring her back to Melbourne where she belongs.

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Didn't want to bring negativity here but no one else has so....

Whilst it could be lifestyle related I think Daisy joining the AFL program at Geelong rather than our own was a pretty solid red flag.

Her farewell press conference being in the middle of the mens training session and the lack of public praise from our mens group have both been clear indicators that the mens program just isn't all that invested in the womens team.

There might be some jealousy from them training at Goschs' almost permanently or just from them muscling in and taking some of the limited space at AAMI park but whatever the reason it's very disappointing.

At a mimimum Goodwin and Gawn should've been present at her farewell. Maybe if they were invested in the womens program she wouldn't be leaving in the first place.

Mate, to think that Gawn and Goodwin need to be there is to diminish the roles their counterparts play in the club. Pearce and Stinear are handling it because that’s what would happen if the roles were reversed.

You are tacitly saying that only the men’s team can prove the women’s teams worth by their presence and that mindset has to die a quick death. Kate Hore doesn’t need anyone standing astride her for her to be a great player and leader of our club into the future. 

I think you need to alter your perspective.

41 minutes ago, Left Foot Snap said:

Longer bows drawn here than the Battle of Hastings. Why does there need to be men's players present to give it legitimacy? Goodwin is not her coach, and Max is not her captain or a teammate. And they were busy training. Daisy was right to have the announcement at the time of her and her management's choosing. That timing would have been more to do with the news cycle than the availability of the men's team. The AFLW is a stand alone, not a sideshow for the men's comp. That's why they don't play curtain raisers!!

I usually like your options and insight, but you are really revealing your inner dinosaur here.

I agree with most of your post except the British using longbows at Hastings  sounds odd. Agincourt four  hundred years later was when hundreds of British archers who were trained since childhood wiped out the French knights.  Not sure about Hastings?

Go dees 2023  CHB Harrison for the Normie!

 

Edited January 19, 20232 yr by Deebauched

Just now, Deebauched said:

I agree with most of your post except the British using longbows at Hastings which was odd. Agincourt four  hundred years later was when hundreds of British archers who were trained since childhood wiped out the French knights.  Not sure about Hastings?

Go dees 2023  CHB Harrison for the Normie!

 

Interesting history lesson. Looks like I need to do some reading.

2 hours ago, Left Foot Snap said:

Longer bows drawn here than the Battle of Hastings. Why does there need to be men's players present to give it legitimacy? Goodwin is not her coach, and Max is not her captain or a teammate. And they were busy training. Daisy was right to have the announcement at the time of her and her management's choosing. That timing would have been more to do with the news cycle than the availability of the men's team. The AFLW is a stand alone, not a sideshow for the men's comp. That's why they don't play curtain raisers!!

I usually like your options and insight, but you are really revealing your inner dinosaur here.

They are senior leadership figures at the club. I’d be shocked if there was such time pressure to have the press conference when they did mid morning and not an hour later so Max and Goody could wander over. 

 

2 hours ago, rpfc said:

Mate, to think that Gawn and Goodwin need to be there is to diminish the roles their counterparts play in the club. Pearce and Stinear are handling it because that’s what would happen if the roles were reversed.

You are tacitly saying that only the men’s team can prove the women’s teams worth by their presence and that mindset has to die a quick death. Kate Hore doesn’t need anyone standing astride her for her to be a great player and leader of our club into the future. 

I think you need to alter your perspective.

It’s nothing to do with who’s handling it. I don’t expect them to speak. I expect them to show up because that’s what you do when it’s one unified club and a significant person is leaving.

If Gawn was retiring and the women were training on the same day I’d expect schedules to be arranged for Daisy and Mick to be present at the press conference. 

Daisy is our AFLW team. She’s the mum to several of the players, the big sister to others. The rock for the coach. The recruiting manager for potential trades. 

The team plays in front of just about no one often in awful conditions at Casey. They could easily be about as relevant or less as a team like the Dogs since they dropped away.

Daisy is the driving force behind them being so successful, having a profile and ultimately a flag is Daisy.

And that’s without mentioning the way she’s lifted the profile of womens footy as a whole.

AFL players will turn up as a group to sit at the back of a farewell press conference for a donkey of a coach who’s booted in under 2 years. Because it’s the respectful and right thing to do. They should’ve done that for Daisy. 

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Daisy is our AFLW team. She’s the mum to several of the players, the big sister to others. The rock for the coach. The recruiting manager for potential trades. 

The team plays in front of just about no one often in awful conditions at Casey. They could easily be about as relevant or less as a team like the Dogs since they dropped away.

Daisy is the driving force behind them being so successful, having a profile and ultimately a flag is Daisy.

And that’s without mentioning the way she’s lifted the profile of womens footy as a whole.

AFL players will turn up as a group to sit at the back of a farewell press conference for a donkey of a coach who’s booted in under 2 years. Because it’s the respectful and right thing to do. They should’ve done that for Daisy. 

You seem to be dogmatically holding on to you opinion that they should have been there. What I and Rpfc, and no doubt others are saying is perhaps they shouldn't. Daisy and the the AFLW are enough. They don't need to be saved by the appearance of the male team. I have yet to see anything that suggests a fracture in the club between the two teams and I am proud of the respect the club shows for the the womens game.

7 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

They are senior leadership figures at the club. I’d be shocked if there was such time pressure to have the press conference when they did mid morning and not an hour later so Max and Goody could wander over. 

 

It’s nothing to do with who’s handling it. I don’t expect them to speak. I expect them to show up because that’s what you do when it’s one unified club and a significant person is leaving.

If Gawn was retiring and the women were training on the same day I’d expect schedules to be arranged for Daisy and Mick to be present at the press conference. 

I didn’t say speak, their very presence would have said to me “we don’t think this is enough for anyone to care, so here are some AFL players in attendance that will provide worth to this retirement”.

The women can handle it.

12 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Didn't want to bring negativity here but no one else has so....

Whilst it could be lifestyle related I think Daisy joining the AFL program at Geelong rather than our own was a pretty solid red flag.

Her farewell press conference being in the middle of the mens training session and the lack of public praise from our mens group have both been clear indicators that the mens program just isn't all that invested in the womens team.

There might be some jealousy from them training at Goschs' almost permanently or just from them muscling in and taking some of the limited space at AAMI park but whatever the reason it's very disappointing.

At a mimimum Goodwin and Gawn should've been present at her farewell. Maybe if they were invested in the womens program she wouldn't be leaving in the first place.

IIRC, Daisy was offered a role at the club. Geelong's offer was better or took her further. I think it's good for budding coach's to gain experience in other AFL or AFLW environments. I just hope we get her back.

10 hours ago, Left Foot Snap said:

Longer bows drawn here than the Battle of Hastings. Why does there need to be men's players present to give it legitimacy? Goodwin is not her coach, and Max is not her captain or a teammate. And they were busy training. Daisy was right to have the announcement at the time of her and her management's choosing. That timing would have been more to do with the news cycle than the availability of the men's team. The AFLW is a stand alone, not a sideshow for the men's comp. That's why they don't play curtain raisers!!

I usually like your options and insight, but you are really revealing your inner dinosaur here.

Agree wholeheartedly. 

The AFLM have a job and program to do. 

I'm sure behind closer doors there have been lots of hugs and kisses from our senior boys towards Daisy.

Let's be honest, I highly doubt this would affect Daisy at all whether the boys were there or not.

17 hours ago, Deebauched said:

I knew this would happen.,lol

I wasnt being tongue in cheek. What did i say that wasnt accurate. Pierce is quite a good commentator but ive never seen her play but that goes for most of the footy public.

It might help if you spelt her name  correctly for a start. That might get you a  modicum of respect before your opinions are read DB. 

"most of the footy public" that understands and values AFLW as an addition to the entertainment and sporting landscape in Australia would be far more than you are estimating that haven't seen Daisy play. 

That's live or on TV or Kayo or streamlining etc. And Daisy has been in the footy limelight for a decade ago least now.

To filly understand her contribution you are commentating without her most valuable asset. It's like only reading about a PM but not hearing them speak in public. 

I am not sure the traditional MFC supporter has anywhere nearly embraced the AFLW  ( even though we have had the advantage of the greatest modern player/ developer/ commentator ) in our Club as a serious code for Club serious support. 

The comments about the women's game standard, from some to refusing to watch the Finals, for really very petty reasons, to saying it is not elite are indications of either gender bias, a scare of it becoming too popular as indicated in its growth in its first 7 seasons or a still much more populous view generated that women's sport is not as watchable as men's as a contest at this stage of various codes development. 

Thankfully TV etc has moved ahead of much of this potential pettiness and force feeding of major female codes has already commenced for trajics or indeed cynics to make their choice. 

18 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Didn't want to bring negativity here but no one else has so....

Whilst it could be lifestyle related I think Daisy joining the AFL program at Geelong rather than our own was a pretty solid red flag.

Her farewell press conference being in the middle of the mens training session and the lack of public praise from our mens group have both been clear indicators that the mens program just isn't all that invested in the womens team.

There might be some jealousy from them training at Goschs' almost permanently or just from them muscling in and taking some of the limited space at AAMI park but whatever the reason it's very disappointing.

At a mimimum Goodwin and Gawn should've been present at her farewell. Maybe if they were invested in the womens program she wouldn't be leaving in the first place.

I'm not sure why Daisy joining Geelong is in any way a sign of problems at Melbourne. Most ex-players who choose coaching start at a different club to the one from which they've just retired. I would consider that to be best practice as it automatically doubles the exposure of the individual to methods and IP. 

Would it have been good for Goodwin and Gawn to be present? Possibly, but that could also have been seen as a distraction by some, WOKE-ness by others and some could see it as an insult to the credibility of the women's competition. On balance, I'm glad that Goodwin and Gawn didn't attend because the end result was that Daisy gained the maximum media coverage that she deserved for her farewell.