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2023 List and Contract Details

Lucifers Hero
in Melbourne Demons

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17 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

Who is Adams?  Hes on the senior list. Never heard anything of him. A ghost player.

 

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    On 9/5/2023 at 10:27 AM, Deebauched said:

    Who is Adams?  Hes on the senior list. Never heard anything of him. A ghost player.

    He hasn't heard of you either.

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    No.26 Jed Adams, 19, 196cm 6’5” 91kg had shoulder issues when he arrived at the Dee’s and has taken a bit of time to fit into Casey particularly with Tomlinson and Disco playing so well down back. Needs a big pre- season and time in the gym.!!

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    So projecting forward our changes look like...

    Out: Grundy, Hibberd, Dunstan, Jordon - D. Smith (r)

    In: McAdam

     

    D. Turner to be elevated to the senior list.

    Decision yet to be made on Melksham.

    That currently leaves 2 senior spots and 2 rookie spots pending further player movement and assuming we keep the same balance of senior to rookie players (36 and 6).

     

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    The chart says May comes out of contract now (2023) when he’s actually contracted until 2025.

    Joel Smith is one we should be looking to tie up soon beyond his 2024 contract expiry. Has shown considerable improvement this season and will certainly be targeted by rival clubs if available. 

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    So departures from 2023 look like...so far 

    Out: Grundy, Hibberd, Dunstan, Jordon,  D. Smith (r)

    Question marks on ????? TMCD, BBB, Harmesy, K.Turner

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    47 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

     

     

    So departures from 2023 look like...so far 

    Out: Grundy, Hibberd, Dunstan, Jordon,  D. Smith (r)

    Question marks on ????? TMCD, BBB, Harmesy, K.Turner

    Melksham & A Moniz-Wakefield are still unsigned

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    My expectations:

    OUT: Dunstan (ret), Hibberd (ret), Jordon (FA), Grundy (trade), Harmes (trade), D. Smith (del), Melksham*(del) + one of either Brown (ret) or Tomlinson (trade) but not both.

    ROOKIE Promotions: D. Turner & McVee (year early)

    Re-Rookie: Melksham

    IN: McAdam (trade)

    That leaves 4 senior list positions & 2 rookie list positions. At least one of those spots you'd want to be a ruck that can also play forward or even back. Having another string to their bow is important to still allow Verrall and Farris-White to try and develop at Casey.

    And if we're not going for Pick 4, I'd love it if we pulled off a trade for Naughton. Would give us huge flexibility with choosing who between he and Petty plays forward or back.

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    42 minutes ago, MadAsHell said:

    My expectations:

    OUT: Dunstan (ret), Hibberd (ret), Jordon (FA), Grundy (trade), Harmes (trade), D. Smith (del), Melksham*(del) + one of either Brown (ret) or Tomlinson (trade) but not both.

    ROOKIE Promotions: D. Turner & McVee (year early)

    Re-Rookie: Melksham

    IN: McAdam (trade)

    That leaves 4 senior list positions & 2 rookie list positions. At least one of those spots you'd want to be a ruck that can also play forward or even back. Having another string to their bow is important to still allow Verrall and Farris-White to try and develop at Casey.

    And if we're not going for Pick 4, I'd love it if we pulled off a trade for Naughton. Would give us huge flexibility with choosing who between he and Petty plays forward or back.

    That sums it up well MAH would also love to see McVee upgraded with Disco in 24, Tomlinson has been advised that he is required and a poster on Facebook quoted Grundy, JJ and Harmes almost out the door, so a big year of change and refresh ahead for us all. Lucifers Hero is going to be very busy on this site.lol.!!

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    This includes known but as yet unactioned changes.  It also updates the list status and draft pick status.

    I will add these updates to the top of this thread so folks don't need to search the text to find the latest...as @DeeZone has foreshadowed there will be quite a few !!

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    Edited by Lucifers Hero

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    Thanks LH great effort as usual, it’s going to be a very interesting trade/ draft period as we may need to free up a couple more spots.!!

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    Latest changes:

    • Added ND39 from the JJ move to Sydney
    • Added Fullerton to the list
    • Show the list changes identified, yet to be completed (names in blue)

    Melksham is staying.  Yet to decide if it as a senior listed or rookie listed player.  It probably won't be decided until time of the draft.  It won't affect the list size, just the mix.  My guess is he will be a rookie as we may need the senior list to cover all the departures.  If that guess is correct the chart would show 3 senior and 1 A rookie list spot,

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    That is a very tidy draft hand we hold!!

    Edited by Lucifers Hero

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    Great work Luci 

    its great to be able to watch the list grow and develop and an amazing reference work Thanks to you from us all😇

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    11 hours ago, Kent said:

    Great work Luci 

    its great to be able to watch the list grow and develop and an amazing reference work Thanks to you from us all😇

     

    11 hours ago, Kent said:

    Great work Luci 

    its great to be able to watch the list grow and develop and an amazing reference work Thanks to you from us all😇

    Agree fully.Sincere thanks L.H

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    On 10/7/2023 at 7:48 AM, Lucifers Hero said:

    My guess is he will be a rookie as we may need the senior list to cover all the departures. 

    I'm pretty sure I heard there will be an additional 'veteran spot' coming back for this coming season. So we may be able to put Melksham in that category, without taking away from a senior or rookie list spot. It just sounds so ridiculous to make a 200+ game player a 'rookie'. 

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    3 hours ago, Caligula's cohort said:

    I'm pretty sure I heard there will be an additional 'veteran spot' coming back for this coming season. So we may be able to put Melksham in that category, without taking away from a senior or rookie list spot. It just sounds so ridiculous to make a 200+ game player a 'rookie'. 

    Thanks for that.  If you see the 'veteran spot' confirmed let me know and I will adjust the chart.

    Yes, it is crazy to use 'Rookie' for Melksham.  It matters not to his remuneration or selection but I reckon he deserves better.

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    On 10/7/2023 at 9:08 AM, Kent said:

    Great work Luci 

    its great to be able to watch the list grow and develop and an amazing reference work Thanks to you from us all😇

     

    16 hours ago, jayceebee31 said:

     

    Agree fully.Sincere thanks L.H

    Thanks heaps, guys.

    Your appreciation and that of other posters makes the effort worthwhile!

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    On 10/8/2023 at 12:12 PM, Lucifers Hero said:

    Thanks for that.  If you see the 'veteran spot' confirmed let me know and I will adjust the chart.

    Yes, it is crazy to use 'Rookie' for Melksham.  It matters not to his remuneration or selection but I reckon he deserves better.

    I don't have confirmation on these, but I think I heard in association with the new CBA that:

    • The extra Veterans list spot was not agreed
    • Mid season Rookies can stay on the Rookie list for an extra year so it may not be compulsory to elevate Disco
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    5 hours ago, old55 said:

    I don't have confirmation on these, but I think I heard in association with the new CBA that:

    • The extra Veterans list spot was not agreed
    • Mid season Rookies can stay on the Rookie list for an extra year so it may not be compulsory to elevate Disco

    I heard the same (about the Veterans spot)

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    8 hours ago, old55 said:

    I don't have confirmation on these, but I think I heard in association with the new CBA that:

    • The extra Veterans list spot was not agreed
    • Mid season Rookies can stay on the Rookie list for an extra year so it may not be compulsory to elevate Disco

    Thanks for info.

    Technically we may not have to promote Disco but it would be shocking optics and quite unfair to not do so.  I would think that contract for promotion would already be signed.

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    6 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

    Thanks for info.

    Technically we may not have to promote Disco but it would be shocking optics and quite unfair to not do so.  I would think that contract for promotion would already be signed.

    Going by this article I think it's safe to assume he'll be on the senior list next year.

    Turner extends contract with Dees… https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/1165517/turner-extends-contract-with-dees

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    Updated for Harmes trade and F3 pick.  Also updated 2023 draft pick order.

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    Thanks LH excellent work as usual still a bit to go then on to the draft, can’t wait.!!

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    I love a good spreadsheet, @Lucifers Hero, and yours ticks all the boxes! Great work and thanks!

    A holiday break project: update for games played as at start of 2024? Good for milestone watching! And there were a few nice debs in 2023!

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    17 hours ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

    I love a good spreadsheet, @Lucifers Hero, and yours ticks all the boxes! Great work and thanks!

    A holiday break project: update for games played as at start of 2024? Good for milestone watching! And there were a few nice debs in 2023!

    Thank you.

    Games played will be updated with the final version post draft.

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