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NON-MFC: Round 17, 2022

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Several posters on here seem to be unaware of the Brisbane situation 

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:28, loges said:

    Several posters on here seem to be unaware of the Brisbane situation 

    ??

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:23, Demonstone said:

    Pray tell, what is the difference between rigged and manipulated?

    No idea what you guys are arguing about but I’d say Rigged implies the outcome is  100% determined. Manipulated just pushes things in that direction. 

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:28, loges said:

    Several posters on here seem to be unaware of the Brisbane situation 

    That it’s humid and everyone drives a Ute?

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:39, sue said:

    No idea what you guys are arguing about but I’d say Rigged implies the outcome is  100% determined. Manipulated just pushes things in that direction. 

    What we're discussing (not arguing) is Clint's long-held assertion that the AFL and its umpires are influencing games to achieve a pre-determined outcome.  My view is that such an opinion is balderdash.

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:28, loges said:

    Several posters on here seem to be unaware of the Brisbane situation 

    I didn’t realise they had players out because of Covid but they were finished before that. Too many players that beat up on weaker opponents but go missing when it counts.

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:35, Engorged Onion said:

    ??

    9 players out due to covid/injuries 

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:52, Bombay Airconditioning said:

    I didn’t realise they had players out because of Covid but they were finished before that. Too many players that beat up on weaker opponents but go missing when it counts.

    Maybe but still would have won today normally 

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:40, The heart beats true said:

    That it’s humid and everyone drives a Ute?

    I don't, but it is usually humid!!!

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:19, BDA said:

    Great player Josh Kennedy

    He is best player in the league that has played for Carlton

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:49, Demonstone said:

    What we're discussing (not arguing) is Clint's long-held assertion that the AFL and its umpires are influencing games to achieve a pre-determined outcome.  My view is that such an opinion is balderdash.

    I wouldn't exactly disagree with it, they appear to manipulate a fair bit.

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      On 10/07/2022 at 08:39, sue said:

    No idea what you guys are arguing about but I’d say Rigged implies the outcome is  100% determined. Manipulated just pushes things in that direction. 

    This. Umpiring does impact ladder positions. Carlton and Collingwood getting help on this front. Sometimes teams aren't good enough to take advantage of the help though. But it's there. Dogs have had it for years.

    Things like the rule of the week have influence too.

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    It seems to me Clint that you only trot your theory out if Melbourne are losing or other games aren't going the way that you'd prefer.  For example, I've never heard you claim that any of our wins are the result of such "manipulation".   

    Happy to agree to disagree with your views on the matter.  All the best to you.

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      On 10/07/2022 at 10:26, Clintosaurus said:

    This. Umpiring does impact ladder positions. Carlton and Collingwood getting help on this front. Sometimes teams aren't good enough to take advantage of the help though. But it's there. Dogs have had it for years.

    Things like the rule of the week have influence too.

    With due respect Clint (please dont take it personally as I like you) but that seems a long draw to bow. I agree that one team towns/Clubs with larger fan bases do receive the rub of the green from umpires (as per last week in Adelaide) but to suggest its intentionally influencing ladder positions is a stretch. 

    There seems the derth of good umpires across the AFL and State league competitions which is degrading the standard of umpiring and the way some rules are interpreted from week to week. It certainly impacting the enjoyment of watching football ATM.

    But in the end I believe the best team generally wins.

     

     

     

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      On 10/07/2022 at 11:19, Jibroni said:

    With due respect Clint (please dont take it personally as I like you) but that seems a long draw to bow. I agree that one team towns/Clubs with larger fan bases do receive the rub of the green from umpires (as per last week in Adelaide) but to suggest its intentionally influencing ladder positions is a stretch. 

    I'm not saying intentionally influencing ladder positions, but the opportunity is there for some teams (Carlton and Collingwood as I have mentioned) to benefit from the good run provided by the umps. It could be as simple as the umpires' coaches mentioning to umpires that certain players are being regularly held in marking contests and to be aware of it. McKay and Curnow the obvious ones.

    Clarry and Josh Kelly get held at every stoppage but rarely get frees for it. Guess the umpires coaches don't talk about it.

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