@Little Goffy I remember big Jim playing in his twilight years, but was just a very wee tacker when he first came out from Ireland. If Curtin ends up having half the career of Jimma, he’ll be a good player.

Whilst we’re on the topic of draftees reminiscent of other players, the way Sanders goes about it reminds me a lot of JHF. He is just so upright when he runs.

@dazzledavey36 Thanks. Good FOX FOOTY article on draftees post the combine camp.  I’d definitely be very happy with Sanders as a classy midfielder at pick 6 (7).  

1 minute ago, spirit of norm smith said:

@dazzledavey36 Thanks. Good FOX FOOTY article on draftees post the combine camp.  I’d definitely be very happy with Sanders as a classy midfielder at pick 6 (7).  

Yeah I'm the same.

Our midfield depth has taken a hit and right as we speak, we have no up and coming wave of midfield talent coming through considering Viney will be 30 next year, Brayshaw and Oliver's health concerns and then Petracca turning 28 next year.

I wouldn't say it's an aging midfield, but we're certainly lacking fresh talent in that department. 

1-10. Harley Reid, Jed Walter (suns academy) , Daniel Curtin , Coby Mckercher, Zane Duursma Ryley Sanders, Nick Watson, Ethan Read (suns academy), Connor O’Sullivan , Nate Caddy

11-20 Darcy Wilson Archer Reid, Mitchell Edwards (Freo nga), Jake Rogers (suns academy) , Ollie Murphy, George Stevens, Logan Morris, Caleb Windsor, Nathan Philactides, Riley Hardeman 

21-40. Will McCabe (hawks F/son), Koltyn Tholstrup, Lance Collard, Charlie Edwards, Jordan Croft (bulldogs f/son), Joel Freijah, Will Dawson, Harry Demattia, Ashton Moir, Clay Hall,James Leake, Will Graham (Suns academy) , Archie Roberts, Will Lorenz, Angus Hastie, Cooper Simpson, Luamon Luai, Arie Schoenmaker, Will Green, Jack Delean. 

40+ / rookie Kynan Brown (Dees father son) , Harvey Johnston , Tarkyn O’Leary, Zane Zakostelsky , Tew Jiath, Harvey Thomas (giants academy), Koen Sanchez , Will Patton, Aiden Odriscoll, Ry Cantwell, Caiden Cleary (swans academy), Kade DelaRue, Jack Callinan, Koby Shipp,  Alex Holt, Michael Rudd, Billy Wilson,Tyson Sruk, Sam van Rooyen, Taylor Goad. 

@spirit of norm smithis that a mock draft, or just their draft rating values?

 

On 14/10/2023 at 16:14, Demon Disciple said:

@spirit of norm smithis that a mock draft, or just their draft rating values?

Just ratings.  Waiting until all the draft picks and trades have taken place before any mock like phantom.  

Seems like we will take whoever is left, out of the initial talented group (with our first pick). Should be interesting to see how it plays out. You would suspect we will end up with one of Sanders or Watson, or even with Curtin as a smokey.

1 hour ago, 2021 said:

Seems like we will take whoever is left, out of the initial talented group (with our first pick). Should be interesting to see how it plays out. You would suspect we will end up with one of Sanders or Watson, or even with Curtin as a smokey.

If that’s the case, I’d go Sanders and hope like he’ll O’Sullivan would be available at our next pick

Interesting to hear Tim Lamb confirm that we see pick 11 considerably more valuable than pick 14 and that's why we traded up.  There must be a quality cliff somewhere after 11 and before 14 non northern-Academy and F/S players.  He said we were confident of getting very good players at 6 and 11.

Cal Twomey's September rankings:

To 6: Reid, (Walter), Duursma, McKercher, Watson, Curtin, Sanders

To 11: Caddy, (Read), O'Sullivan, (Croft), (Rogers), Murphy, Windsor, Wilson

Following those sets through to 14 are (Leake), Hardeman, (McCabe), Tholstrup, De Mattia - that's 20 players altogether.

Of course we may rate someone else in that top 11.

Good post @old55 it’s exactly my thinking  

query… do you think we will trade out this years pick “42” as it is unlikely we will use it . It probably depends on wherever Kynan Brown gets nominated which may be around that mark.  
We might even look to trade “42” to Crows or West Coast for a future 3rd ? 

 

17 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Good post @old55 it’s exactly my thinking  

query… do you think we will trade out this years pick “42” as it is unlikely we will use it . It probably depends on wherever Kynan Brown gets nominated which may be around that mark.  
We might even look to trade “42” to Crows or West Coast for a future 3rd ? 

 

With Petty sounding gone at the end of next year, I really hope we take the best one available to us of Curtin, O'Sullivan and Murphy.

42 is placed in a handy position if someone we really rate slides out of the top 25 or so. And as you say, if there's no one there we really like, try to trade it into 2024 on draft night.

Hopefully it's too early for K.Brown and we can take him with a later pick. I think we will take him, a la Taj, with our last pick.

We need to make sure we have enough live list spots.

What's the consensus on Nate Caddy?

If McKercher is out of the frame, I'm warming to Nate as the slightly undersized key fwd (though he plays bigger, jumps at the ball) that we need (assuming Petty is out long term). He's far more dynamic than JVR and I like the way he plays with aggression and authority. Has a little bit of DH about him but in a good environment he has the tools to be a star (potentially C Curnow like). 

Feels like one we'll regret if we miss. Pretty sure he wouldn't last to 11 but not sure about him at 6. 

Anyone know anything more about him? Would definitely prefer him to Watson. 

Sounding unlikely we get pick 1, so we're likely going to draft with pick 6 and 11.

Realistic targets;

Pick 6, we'll take Sanders as a well rounded classy midfielder. Best performed midfielder of this crop thus far and looks like he'll have a good career. Might not have the high X factor game breaker ability of Reid or Duursma, but IMO will be more consistent and have a better career. Capable inside and outside, wins his own ball, great runner and lineman, can hit the scoreboard, has leadership potential. He'll be a winner.
Other possibilities are Watson or Curtin sliding.
Mckercher and Duursma will be gone.

Pick 11, hoping for Darcy Wilson to add outside dash and skill to our midfielder or flanks in future.
Other possibilities are Murphy, Windsor or Leake.
O'Sullivan and Caddy will be gone.

@Lord Travis ditto from me - add two of the classiest running midfielders in the draft with good pace and skill (Sanders and Wilson 👏👏) 

18 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Sounding unlikely we get pick 1, so we're likely going to draft with pick 6 and 11.

Realistic targets;

Pick 6, we'll take Sanders as a well rounded classy midfielder. Best performed midfielder of this crop thus far and looks like he'll have a good career. Might not have the high X factor game breaker ability of Reid or Duursma, but IMO will be more consistent and have a better career. Capable inside and outside, wins his own ball, great runner and lineman, can hit the scoreboard, has leadership potential. He'll be a winner.
Other possibilities are Watson or Curtin sliding.
Mckercher and Duursma will be gone.

Pick 11, hoping for Darcy Wilson to add outside dash and skill to our midfielder or flanks in future.
Other possibilities are Murphy, Windsor or Leake.
O'Sullivan and Caddy will be gone.

Like your thinking LT,

for mine whilst I’d love Curtin or Sanders I think it’s a no brainer if Sanders is available at 6. Curtin won’t last till 11, O’Sullivan highly unlikely but a possibility, however I believe Murphy will be there.

Sanders and O’Sullivan fantastic get but even Sanders and Murphy wouldn’t be to bad

Edited October 19, 20231 yr by Pennant St Dee

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking - https://www.afl.com.au/news/1054452

Edited October 19, 20231 yr by Nascent

Twomey’s Phantom Form guide has dropped. Last one before the phantom draft:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1054452/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-october-ranking

(just pipped me @Nascent!)

Edited October 19, 20231 yr by ChaserJ

 

Given the Question mark on Harrison sticking with us, it seems picking up Curtin as a tall who can play both ends is the perfect solution/backup... 

31 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Given the Question mark on Harrison sticking with us, it seems picking up Curtin as a tall who can play both ends is the perfect solution/backup... 

O'Sullivan or Caddy with pick 6, Wilson or Windsor with pick 11

From House of Footy

2023 AFL Draft Rankings: October Edition

I think at 6 we may just wait, and take whoever is left from that top tier. That said, JT does like to do his own thing, so we could we'll end up with someone unexpected.

There's a significant drop in talent after the first top 5 picks imo. That's not even counting Jed Walter or Ethan Reed.

 

10 hours ago, 2021 said:

I think at 6 we may just wait, and take whoever is left from that top tier. That said, JT does like to do his own thing, so we could we'll end up with someone unexpected.

If Hawthorn take Watson and WB take Sanders then reckon we take Curtin or Caddy as he won't be there at 11. Prefer Reid but not looking likely at this stage.