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  On 03/05/2022 at 01:35, Neil Crompton said:

No one has mentioned that with two key forwards, on their own, virtually in the goal square, why Harmes didn’t pass it to them, rather than take the shot. Kicking to the forwards would have made a certainty of the goal. Of late, Harmes kicking on the run hasn’t been great, so could have easily missed. Both were not team first decisions in my view.

When we can have a shot we take it.

If we kick a point we back our structure. For the opposition's kick out. If we kick a goal even better.

Passing to a "better option" gives us a higher chance of turning it over and less opportunity to defend if we do.

 

 
  On 03/05/2022 at 13:58, Neil Crompton said:

Can we have a game or 2 with both Kozzie and Bedford in the forward line? They seemed to combine brilliantly on a couple of occasions in a pre-season game. Not sure how we'd fit him in if all 5 covids come back, but perhaps ANB to the wing, Jordon to the mids, and maybe Harmes has a rest? Not sure if it can be done, but would just love to see these 2 excitement machines playing together. 

ANB only comes out of iso on Friday, so they won’t play him.  Therefore you’ll get your wish of Kozzie and Bedford in the same team. 

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      On 03/05/2022 at 21:37, Demons11 said:

    ANB only comes out of iso on Friday, so they won’t play him.  Therefore you’ll get your wish of Kozzie and Bedford in the same team. 

    While i think you're probably right, ANB is one of the fittest at the club, so if anyone is able to bounce back quickly it'd be him.

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      On 03/05/2022 at 21:52, Dwight Schrute said:

    While i think you're probably right, ANB is one of the fittest at the club, so if anyone is able to bounce back quickly it'd be him.

    I think it is more to do with not getting a training session into him and assess how he pulls up.

    As the game is on Sunday they might try him out on Saturday. Similarly Viney missed team training for all his iso time and had a training session the day before the ANZAC game and played.

    Having said that  @Demons11    often has good intel so I wouldn't be surprised if ANB doesn't play.

    Edited by Lucifers Hero

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      On 03/05/2022 at 22:00, Lucifers Hero said:

    I think it is more to do with not getting a training session into him and assess how he pulls up.

    As the game is on Sunday they might try him out on Saturday. Similarly Viney missed team training for all his iso time and had a training session the day before the ANZAC game and played.

    Having said that  @Demons11    often has good intel so I wouldn't be surprised if ANB doesn't play.

    Potentially, there really is no need to rush him back so i'm sure unless he bounces back really really well he will probably have a spell this weekend. 

    we really did miss him on the weekend though so i am keeping my fingers crossed for a miraculous recovery 

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    If ANB doesn't make it back we have Pickett and Sparrow as front half players returning. 

    Who goes out from Melksham, Bedford, Dunstan?  Can see a case for each one to stay.  Another difficult decision for selection committee.

      On 03/05/2022 at 10:29, Chook said:

    Pretty sure not kicking the goal so he could start the celebrations earlier would have been the more selfish move.

    yep kicking the ball into the crowd or throwing it away so you can enjoy the exact moment you win the premiership with your TEAM mates would be a selfish move 🤦‍♂️

    who cares about an extra goal to the margin or an extra goal on the stat sheet when you have just won, oh hang on, Tom did.

    Edited by Grimes Times

    Hopefully Saints players feel the same.

     

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      On 03/05/2022 at 00:51, Grimes Times said:

    I might be harsh but Im not having Toms explanation. he knows exactly where he is. The ball had more chance of hitting the fence on the full than bouncing on the line. Im not sure who could have come from behind him, a member of the cheer squad?? Add this to the massive burn in the 3rd he looked to me to be playing for his position and not the team.

    I suppose when you look at his kick after the siren in the GF it makes a lot of sense.

    Respect your view, I think when it comes to the two moments I see it just a bit differently in that I really appreciate Tom's laser like focus and not letting anything around him faze that. On both occasions he's made a decision and carried through with it 100%. I think it's an exceptional quality to have, whether he was right or wrong on Sat. 

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      On 03/05/2022 at 16:52, Wrecker46 said:

     

    Passing to a "better option" gives us a higher chance of turning it over and less opportunity to defend if we do.

     

    Which is one reason why criticism of tmac for being 'selfish' when he chose to shoot for goal not pass to a teammate(s) is unwarranted.

    Bad decision?

    Maybe- though I'm not convinced it was in the circumstances.

    Selfish?

    Nup.

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      On 03/05/2022 at 22:55, Demonland said:

    My MFCSS senses are tingling and I reckon the Saints won't kick a point this weekend.

     

    Your MFCSS is so acute you are worried Bruce will kick a bag against us this weekend, coz he 'always does'..

    And that is in spite of the fact you know he is currently out injured and he no longer plays for the saints.

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    Should we be taking comfort from the lack of any announcements so far this week of any other players being subject to H&S protocols? Or would we only hear about that on the day the selected team is announced?

      On 03/05/2022 at 11:05, monoccular said:

    Maybe, had Weeds been a more "assertive" or confident sort of character, he would have called for Tom to leave it?  It was really up to him, with a wider view of the whole situation, to make such a call.

    I was happy for Weeds not to contest the ball with Mc Donald in the goal square but him knowing that should have lead him to call McDonald out of the way to let the ball drift through off Harmes boot. 

    God forbid that Harmes should finish his career on  only 499 goals because T Mac snaffled one of his goals !!!!

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      On 03/05/2022 at 22:17, Grimes Times said:

    yep kicking the ball into the crowd or throwing it away so you can enjoy the exact moment you win the premiership with your TEAM mates would be a selfish move 🤦‍♂️

    who cares about an extra goal to the margin or an extra goal on the stat sheet when you have just won, oh hang on, Tom did.

    It was an MFC Grand Final winning margin.

      On 03/05/2022 at 22:17, Grimes Times said:

    yep kicking the ball into the crowd or throwing it away so you can enjoy the exact moment you win the premiership with your TEAM mates would be a selfish move 🤦‍♂️

    who cares about an extra goal to the margin or an extra goal on the stat sheet when you have just won, oh hang on, Tom did.

    I did too! To me it was like rubbing further salt into the wound ……niiiiice.  Goodonya Tom, we’ll done.

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      On 04/05/2022 at 00:07, pineapple dee said:

    I was happy for Weeds not to contest the ball with Mc Donald in the goal square but him knowing that should have lead him to call McDonald out of the way to let the ball drift through off Harmes boot. 

    God forbid that Harmes should finish his career on  only 499 goals because T Mac snaffled one of his goals !!!!

    I think we'll all be happy, none more so than Harmes, if he finishes on 499 goals. Needs another 428 to get there. If we assume he plays another 150 games (he's currently played 129), that's an average of 2.85 goals a game from hereon. 

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      On 03/05/2022 at 22:00, Lucifers Hero said:

    I think it is more to do with not getting a training session into him and assess how he pulls up.

    As the game is on Sunday they might try him out on Saturday. Similarly Viney missed team training for all his iso time and had a training session the day before the ANZAC game and played.

    Having said that  @Demons11    often has good intel so I wouldn't be surprised if ANB doesn't play.

    I don’t necessarily any inside info on this one but in relation to Viney he come out on the Wednesday before the game and did a couple sessions before the game. 

      On 03/05/2022 at 21:52, Dwight Schrute said:

    While i think you're probably right, ANB is one of the fittest at the club, so if anyone is able to bounce back quickly it'd be him.

    I don’t disagree on ANB’s fitness levels but I think you’ll find someone like ANB who uses his fitness and absolute weapon will feel the effects of missing training 

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      On 04/05/2022 at 01:14, Demons11 said:

    I don’t necessarily any inside info on this one but in relation to Viney he come out on the Wednesday before the game and did a couple sessions before the game. 

    Didn't Yze confirmed he actually came out last Thursday not the Wednesday?

      On 04/05/2022 at 01:20, dazzledavey36 said:

    Didn't Yze confirmed he actually came out last Thursday not the Wednesday?

    I thought he mentioned it on the Tuesday and that he would train on the Wednesday but i might be a day out 

      On 03/05/2022 at 00:51, Grimes Times said:

     

     

    I might be harsh but Im not having Toms explanation. he knows exactly where he is. The ball had more chance of hitting the fence on the full than bouncing on the line. Im not sure who could have come from behind him, a member of the cheer squad?? Add this to the massive burn in the 3rd he looked to me to be playing for his position and not the team.

    I suppose when you look at his kick after the siren in the GF it makes a lot of sense.

    Are you saying he shouldn't have kicked the goal after the siren??? Oh boy....

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      On 04/05/2022 at 03:38, DemonWA said:

    Are you saying he shouldn't have kicked the goal after the siren??? Oh boy....

    100%. what did it achieve apart from adding to Tom stats. I would have been celebrating with my team mates.

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      On 04/05/2022 at 04:51, Grimes Times said:

    100%. what did it achieve apart from adding to Tom stats. I would have been celebrating with my team mates.

    You seriously think he should not have  taken that kick?

    What would you have had him do instead - kick into the stands, just drop the ball at his feet, bomb it up the ground? 

    A professional footballer does not refuse to take a shot after the siren in any circumstances. 

    What did it achieve?

    For one thing it was yet another example of our discipline and playing to the final siren. And an example of tom's professionalism and respect for the game.

    The same discipline underpinned why goody never fudged the rules to get Jordon on the ground, something he could easily have done (after all Steve may had a tear in his hammy).

    When asked why he didn't goody (paraphrasing) said no one was injured so he couldn't do it. Discipline.

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