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Extended contract for Simon Goodwin?

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Just now, dpositive said:

True. There's always complexity and individual circumstances but can be resolved amicably with good relations.

That appears to be the case here.

The best outcome will satisfy all parties.

Absolutely. As far as I know the relationship between all parties is very good and I have no doubt Goody will be re-signed.

 

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    15 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

    Never said: assistants were the only reason, never continuously potted the coach, gave him credit for two years ... stop being a rude to posters referring to them as drop kicks and stupid mate ... pretty sure if you met me you wouldn't be saying that to my face 

    Wasn’t actually referring to you as the dropkick mate, just some other posters who have been more provocative in their posts (*cough* Dr.D *cough*). There’s also a difference between calling someone stupid and saying they look stupid. 

    But you were alluding to the assistants being the main difference, when in fact it was a multitude of reasons. 

    Those inconsistent years were largely due to an immature playing list which needed time to gel. At the end of the day the coach is just one part of the whole system and putting the performance of such a large cohort on one man is just plain wrong.

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    5 hours ago, Demons1858 said:

    Never said it has to be linear progress and understand the ups and downs but we should have made finals more than 2 out of 5 years. I base the performance each year on what we should have achieved based on the easy fixtures we have been getting, our list, injury management, coaching, selection, game plan etc. At the end of 2017 and 2020 posters on here were rabid about our performance to the point many wanted goody gone then. Then there is 2019. So at the very least we have been inconsistent. I have offered an additional 3 years, what are you suggesting an additional 5+ years which would make it 6+ years for an inconsistent coach? Clarkson, Lyon, Scott don't get those kinds of extensions even when their teams have been consistent finalists

    You seem unhappy with other posters having a go at you...

    ...but then you want to put words in my mouth re contract length.

    I haven't mentioned anything in regards to contract length, for what it's worth I think he will get 3 years and that would be about right.

    I have pointed out that I think you are wrong in your assumptions and even though you never said the words linear progress your post points to that being a major issue with Goodwin.

    You are always going to get these fluctuations with a young developing team.

    In 2021 we saw the culmination in a balanced, maturing team. This doesn't happen from nowhere, it takes time to develop.

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    1 hour ago, Foopy on the telly said:

    Wasn’t actually referring to you as the dropkick mate, just some other posters who have been more provocative in their posts (*cough* Dr.D *cough*). There’s also a difference between calling someone stupid and saying they look stupid. 

    But you were alluding to the assistants being the main difference, when in fact it was a multitude of reasons. 

    Those inconsistent years were largely due to an immature playing list which needed time to gel. At the end of the day the coach is just one part of the whole system and putting the performance of such a large cohort on one man is just plain wrong.

    Mate, stop hiding behind semantics. Whether you implied or said it indirectly, you were being deliberately disrespectful. 

    And yes I said the new assistants where the main difference, but I never said they were the only difference. Of course there were other reasons e.g. Darren Burgess getting the fitness up another notch, players appearing to take more ownership and growing, getting the game plan right, goody learning and improving, mids working better together, new players in BB and Bowey ... it all adds up.

    Unfortunately the things that went wrong in 2017 and 2020 are largely owned by the coach even if its not all on his head e.g. game plan, selection, players having the confidence to perform under pressure relative to their age and maturity

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    8 minutes ago, rjay said:

    You seem unhappy with other posters having a go at you...

    ...but then you want to put words in my mouth re contract length.

    I haven't mentioned anything in regards to contract length, for what it's worth I think he will get 3 years and that would be about right.

    I have pointed out that I think you are wrong in your assumptions and even though you never said the words linear progress your post points to that being a major issue with Goodwin.

    You are always going to get these fluctuations with a young developing team.

    In 2021 we saw the culmination in a balanced, maturing team. This doesn't happen from nowhere, it takes time to develop.

    So after all that we actually agree on 3 years maximum


    19 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

    Mate, stop hiding behind semantics. Whether you implied or said it indirectly, you were being deliberately disrespectful. 

    And yes I said the new assistants where the main difference, but I never said they were the only difference. Of course there were other reasons e.g. Darren Burgess getting the fitness up another notch, players appearing to take more ownership and growing, getting the game plan right, goody learning and improving, mids working better together, new players in BB and Bowey ... it all adds up.

    Unfortunately the things that went wrong in 2017 and 2020 are largely owned by the coach even if its not all on his head e.g. game plan, selection, players having the confidence to perform under pressure relative to their age and maturity

    Disrespectful? Come on mate, you’re seriously not that precious are you? 

    Sorry, but the logic that the coach is somehow responsible for most/all of the bad things occurring at the club and is barely a fraction of the good things is - and always will be - a silly view. 

    Of course the coach is just a fraction of the workings of a club but you have to apply that to both the good and the bad, not just one. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense.

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    43 minutes ago, Foopy on the telly said:

    Disrespectful? Come on mate, you’re seriously not that precious are you? 

    Sorry, but the logic that the coach is somehow responsible for most/all of the bad things occurring at the club and is barely a fraction of the good things is - and always will be - a silly view. 

    Of course the coach is just a fraction of the workings of a club but you have to apply that to both the good and the bad, not just one. Otherwise it doesn’t make sense.

    Actually thick skinned mate, but not blind either.

    Re coaching performance, Goody has said himself that he wasn't at his best and coping in the period prior to 2021 so I'm not sure how you give him a pass when he doesn't. The coach sets the direction and is the most influential role at the club. His contract KPI's talk about where he finishes on the ladder. 

    So how many years would you extend him for? And please don't say 3 years and agree with me after all the back and forth.

    I think he will be offered 3 to 4 years, but he may only want to extend for another 2 years taking him up until the end of the 2024 season.

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    yeah but what would you offer? also not sure why he would want are shorter offer unless he needs to get back home with family or the like in adelaide

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    6 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

    yeah but what would you offer? also not sure why he would want are shorter offer unless he needs to get back home with family or the like in adelaide

    Personally I would offer 3 to 5 years.

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    10 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

    Personally I would offer 3 to 5 years.

    Not exactly sticking your neck out ... why the range?

    He, along with his team, have built this team and clearly have their trust. I think he has earned the right to coach this group through their premiership window.

     The duration is likely to be 3-5 years, I’m not fussed by the actual number, the important thing is that he is treated with the respect he has earned. We don’t need to rehash things that went wrong 3 years ago, they have been reviewed and the lessons learned are part of what made this team what it is. He is undeniably a very good coach. Not only did he coach us to a premiership, he won the award for the best coach, so his peers obviously rate him as well.

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    18 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

    Not exactly sticking your neck out ... why the range?

    Neither are you, most would get a 3 year extension, more would be unusual.  Why the aggro?

    10 minutes ago, Dante said:

    Neither are you, most would get a 3 year extension, more would be unusual.  Why the aggro?

    I have absolutely already stuck my neck out in prior posts, maybe read some if you haven't already. So you also agree on 3 years 


    1 minute ago, Demons1858 said:

    I have absolutely already stuck my neck out in prior posts, maybe read some if you haven't already. So you also agree on 3 years 

    No you haven't, 3 years is about the norm, so you don't have to be Einstein to figure that out. I don't agree on anything, I just expect, for reasons stated, that it will be 3 years.

    5 minutes ago, Dante said:

    No you haven't, 3 years is about the norm, so you don't have to be Einstein to figure that out. I don't agree on anything, I just expect, for reasons stated, that it will be 3 years.

    Hang on that doesn't make sense to me ... if I say he will get 3 years and you say he will get 3 years then that means we agree he will get 3 years doesn't it?

    50 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

    Personally I would offer 3 to 5 years.

    I agree DD this group have the potential to continue to achieve at the highest level for a number of years and 3 - 5 years to my mind both rewards Simon for his achievements and provides the incentive to keep building the team into the future for further success.

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    Does anyone actually know what’s going on with his contract or are we playing a guessing game?

    My guess. 5 years which will take him through to the end (or close to) of our window. Can’t see why he wants to go home in the next couple of years when he has done all the work to get us into a position to contend? Why watch a replacement capitalise on his hard work?

    I say this as a long time critic. He has earned the right to stay on his terms. The players love him, the footy department love him. Benchmark against Hardwick, Clarkson etc. and pay him the going rate.

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    1 hour ago, Demons1858 said:

    Actually thick skinned mate, but not blind either.

    Re coaching performance, Goody has said himself that he wasn't at his best and coping in the period prior to 2021 so I'm not sure how you give him a pass when he doesn't. The coach sets the direction and is the most influential role at the club. His contract KPI's talk about where he finishes on the ladder. 

    So how many years would you extend him for? And please don't say 3 years and agree with me after all the back and forth.

    3.5 years it is then! 

    /s

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    35 minutes ago, Demons1858 said:

    Hang on that doesn't make sense to me ... if I say he will get 3 years and you say he will get 3 years then that means we agree he will get 3 years doesn't it?

    Gee it's hard to get the message to you, I didn't say he should get any particular time, I just said that the norm is 3 years and that's PROBABLY what he will get.

    If you really want to have an argument just go outside and yet at the moon, then when you don't get an answer yell again. But leave me out of your conversation.

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    all this discussion on x years

    i presume everyone means x years in addition to this year? 

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    1 hour ago, Dante said:

    Gee it's hard to get the message to you, I didn't say he should get any particular time, I just said that the norm is 3 years and that's PROBABLY what he will get.

    If you really want to have an argument just go outside and yet at the moon, then when you don't get an answer yell again. But leave me out of your conversation.

    pretty sure you started the convo with me mate. You said 3 years them you didn't say 3 years ... very confusing

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