Jump to content

Featured Replies

I don't want to call it the go home or mummy factor but I do think since Covid espeically there is a 'life is short' or 'being grateful for what you have' factor. Being closer to family would be a higher priority. I don't want to attack anyone for feeling this way, it may be different but the world has changed. 

 
7 hours ago, Surfer Dee said:

Anyone familiar with the NHL? I believe the salary cap and trading setup is what the AFL needs to emulate.

A third year player like Jackson, out of contract, would be a restricted free agent. If freo offer him a big contract we have option to match it. If he walks, we get compensated based on the contract.

If he were contracted and the team he wanted to get to doesn't have the ability to satisfy the controlling team in a trade, then bad luck, you can go somewhere else or stay.

Also, the AFL needs to remove the PSD. Why does this even exist? If a team cannot be satisfied by the destination club, the player should return to original club under a standard one year contract. If this were the situation, Freo would have to offer something reasonable. Currently they have no incentive to pay market value for LJ.

It’s absolutely ludicrous that the RFA rules don’t apply. We should be able to match the Freo offer - maybe we can? I wonder what we would get in that scenario. 

  • Author

To elaborate on why I think Freo won't make the 8 next year:

Their major list changes:

Out:

  • Logue:  20 games in 2022
  • Tucker:  14 games in 2022
  • Acres:  20 games in 2022
  • Mundy:  22 games in 2022
  • Lobb (probably):  21 games in 2022
  • Meek (probably):  8 games in 2022

In:

  • Jackson:  22 games in 2022
  • Corbett: 4 games in 2022
  • Sharp (probably):  12 games in 2022

They may have others coming in but they are unlikely to overcome my doubts:

  • They are losing a lot of experience from their best year in eons and not a lot of experience back in.  It will take them a while to assimilate new players and fill the gaps by those going out.
  • Synergy and consistency are big factors in winning games and I reckon it will take them a long time to get that next year and to settle in new players.  By which time their chances of the 8 may have slipped. 
  •  I expect Port and Carlton to make the 8 next year and I see Freo and Bulldogs as the most vulnerable to fall out.
  • They will have a harder draw.

So I'm happy to take Freo's future pics.

Edited by Lucifers Hero

 
2 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

To elaborate on why I think Freo won't make the 8 next year:

Their major list changes:

Out:

  • Logue:  20 games in 2022
  • Tucker:  14 games in 2022
  • Acres:  20 games in 2022
  • Mundy:  22 games in 2022
  • Lobb (probably):  21 games in 2022
  • Meek (probably):  8 games in 2022

In:

  • Jackson:  22 games in 2022
  • Corbett: 4 games in 2022
  • Sharp (probably):  12 games in 2022

They may have others coming they are unlikely to overcome my doubts:

  • They are losing a lot of experience from their best year in eons and not a lot of experience back in.  It will take them a while to assimilate new players and fill the gaps by those going out.
  • Synergy and consistency are big factors in winning games and I reckon it will take them a long time to get that next year and to settle in new players.  By which time their chances of the 8 may have slipped. 
  •  I expect Port and Carlton to make the 8 next year and I see Freo and Bulldogs as the most vulnerable to fall out.

So I'm happy to take Freo's future pics.

Cohesion was a massive part of their success this season. Going to take a little time to gel again for sure. 

16 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

To elaborate on why I think Freo won't make the 8 next year:

Their major list changes:

Out:

  • Logue:  20 games in 2022
  • Tucker:  14 games in 2022
  • Acres:  20 games in 2022
  • Mundy:  22 games in 2022
  • Lobb (probably):  21 games in 2022
  • Meek (probably):  8 games in 2022

In:

  • Jackson:  22 games in 2022
  • Corbett: 4 games in 2022
  • Sharp (probably):  12 games in 2022

They may have others coming they are unlikely to overcome my doubts:

  • They are losing a lot of experience from their best year in eons and not a lot of experience back in.  It will take them a while to assimilate new players and fill the gaps by those going out.
  • Synergy and consistency are big factors in winning games and I reckon it will take them a long time to get that next year and to settle in new players.  By which time their chances of the 8 may have slipped. 
  •  I expect Port and Carlton to make the 8 next year and I see Freo and Bulldogs as the most vulnerable to fall out.

So I'm happy to take Freo's future pics.

I don’t think it’s likely that we will hold onto their picks. Going by previous trade periods I assume we will likely trade out what we get to move up further into this years first round. 


Be nice to throw 13 and Bedford at GWS for pick 3.  Add in the future second rd from North swap with GWS future second.

5 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Be nice to throw 13 and Bedford at GWS for pick 3.  Add in the future second rd from North swap with GWS future second.

No chance they would do that.

6 minutes ago, drdrake said:

Be nice to throw 13 and Bedford at GWS for pick 3.  Add in the future second rd from North swap with GWS future second.

Depending on the pick swap, that would make Bedford woth around pick 18 points wise. 0 chance.

 

1 hour ago, CYB said:

It’s absolutely ludicrous that the RFA rules don’t apply. We should be able to match the Freo offer - maybe we can? I wonder what we would get in that scenario. 

Maybe we( secretly) don't want to anyway..like WC

1 hour ago, layzie said:

I don't want to call it the go home or mummy factor but I do think since Covid espeically there is a 'life is short' or 'being grateful for what you have' factor. Being closer to family would be a higher priority. I don't want to attack anyone for feeling this way, it may be different but the world has changed. 

I don't think the term "go-home factor" is necessarily derogative, and can pretty easily accommodate what you've described here,

2 hours ago, BDA said:

We'll get a good player with 13. 

I think Freo will regress nest year so their F1 will be a good pick as well

In Jason Taylor I trust

 

Based on what? A vibe?

Freo are looking a cert for finals next year, and this future first of theirs has not exactly gotten me all that excited.

15 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Depending on the pick swap, that would make Bedford woth around pick 18 points wise. 0 chance.

I know just nice to dream that we could turn the Jackson trade into a top 5 pick this year. Plus a future 1st, maybe we get a future 3rd back instead of their future second.

It might depend on where we see Brown fall as a FS next year.  

4 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

I don't think the term "go-home factor" is necessarily derogative, and can pretty easily accommodate what you've described here,

Of course. However there have been a lot of mummy's boy comments and talk of 'men not being what they used to be' around here lately. 


3 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

I don't think the term "go-home factor" is necessarily derogative, and can pretty easily accommodate what you've described here,

I’m not in the know but if anyone in his direct family has stumbled   into some health challenges, then it does make sense.

I can also understand just wanting to live in the place you grew up in. I have lived in 3 places all within 2km of each other since i can remember - close to 40 years and turned back multiple opportunities to work interstate or abroad. Also live close to my parents. So can’t really fault LJ for wanting to do the same.

4 minutes ago, drdrake said:

I know just nice to dream that we could turn the Jackson trade into a top 5 pick this year. Plus a future 1st, maybe we get a future 3rd back instead of their future second.

It might depend on where we see Brown fall as a FS next year.  

I hear ya. I think most of us feel underwhelmed thus far, but reckon we've gotta just hold off and see how our list looks after the trade and draft periods.

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

To elaborate on why I think Freo won't make the 8 next year:

Their major list changes:

Out:

  • Logue:  20 games in 2022
  • Tucker:  14 games in 2022
  • Acres:  20 games in 2022
  • Mundy:  22 games in 2022
  • Lobb (probably):  21 games in 2022
  • Meek (probably):  8 games in 2022

In:

  • Jackson:  22 games in 2022
  • Corbett: 4 games in 2022
  • Sharp (probably):  12 games in 2022

They may have others coming in but they are unlikely to overcome my doubts:

  • They are losing a lot of experience from their best year in eons and not a lot of experience back in.  It will take them a while to assimilate new players and fill the gaps by those going out.
  • Synergy and consistency are big factors in winning games and I reckon it will take them a long time to get that next year and to settle in new players.  By which time their chances of the 8 may have slipped. 
  •  I expect Port and Carlton to make the 8 next year and I see Freo and Bulldogs as the most vulnerable to fall out.
  • They will have a harder draw.

So I'm happy to take Freo's future pics.

Love this mate! Great reasoning and analysis.

For mine, their rise and fall might depend on replacing Logue and Lobb. They're the only truly important players out of the ones they'll lose IMO. I actually think they're better off without Acres tbh.

I reckon if Taberner stays fit then the combo of Jackson and him more than covers Lobb.

Logue is harder to replace though.

I'm not as convinced as others on their demise just yet, they have some absolute guns in the midfield, and their core talent of Brayshaw, Young, Serong and Darcy are still a year or two off their prime and will only get better.

i am more HOPING that freo regress than expecting them to do so

mundy was their #3 mid behind andy brayshaw and serong last season and will be a bit of a loss

while fyfe is likely to come back in for them in 2023, they definitely had a pretty decent run when it came to injury in 2022

18 minutes ago, layzie said:

Of course. However there have been a lot of mummy's boy comments and talk of 'men not being what they used to be' around here lately. 

I’d say most of those posting such comments are most likely ‘projecting’.


1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

i am more HOPING that freo regress than expecting them to do so

mundy was their #3 mid behind andy brayshaw and serong last season and will be a bit of a loss

while fyfe is likely to come back in for them in 2023, they definitely had a pretty decent run when it came to injury in 2022

Mundy wasn't in their top 10 at the BnF though.

 

9 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Love this mate! Great reasoning and analysis.

For mine, their rise and fall might depend on replacing Logue and Lobb. They're the only truly important players out of the ones they'll lose IMO. I actually think they're better off without Acres tbh.

I reckon if Taberner stays fit then the combo of Jackson and him more than covers Lobb.

Logue is harder to replace though.

I'm not as convinced as others on their demise just yet, they have some absolute guns in the midfield, and their core talent of Brayshaw, Young, Serong and Darcy are still a year or two off their prime and will only get better.

In terms of personnel I don't think anyone except lobb leaving will have a big impact. They trade him and I cannot see anyway in which they finish top 8. Acres is replaceable and Logue was playing up fwd in a role that I think can be easily covered.

I just think their game plan was figured out on the second half of the season and that's gonna be where they fall down the ladder. 

Edited by mmwd6

2 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Mundy wasn't in their top 10 at the BnF though.

 

Was still probably 1 or 2 for clearances though. Unless fyfe returns back to form (doubt it) then they're replacing 370 games with a teenager 

 
2 minutes ago, mmwd6 said:

In terms of personnel I don't think anyone except lobb leaving will have a big impact. Acres is replaceable and Logue was playing up fwd in a role that I think can be easily covered.

I just think their game plan was figured out on the second half of the season and that's gonna be where they fall down the ladder. 

Yeah that's fair. I think Logue has been a bit underrated around the traps though. I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to their game plan tbh, but gut feel was it got a bit stale as the year went on so you're probably on the ball there. Longmuir seemed to get a lot of love from the media during the year, next year is a big test for him.

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

Yeah that's fair. I think Logue has been a bit underrated around the traps though. I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to their game plan tbh, but gut feel was it got a bit stale as the year went on so you're probably on the ball there. Longmuir seemed to get a lot of love from the media during the year, next year is a big test for him.

Logue was really good in that first game against us, but from what I saw in the finals he was pretty useless. They had a second gamer come in after missing the entire year with a kidney laceration and even he outplayed Logue. 

Edited by mmwd6


Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

Featured Content

  • NON-MFC: Round 10

    The Sir Doug Nicholls Round kicks off in Darwin with a Top 4 clash between the Suns and the Hawks. On Friday night the Swans will be seeking to rebound from a challenging start to the season, while the Blues have the Top 8 in their sights after their sluggish start. Saturdays matches kick off with a blockbuster between the Collingwood and Kuwarna with the Magpies looking to maintain their strong form and the Crows aiming to make a statement on the road. The Power face a difficult task to revive their season against a resilient Cats side looking to make amends for their narrow loss last week. The Giants aim to reinforce their top-eight status, while the Dockers will be looking to break the travel hoodoo. The sole Saturday game is a critical matchup for both teams, as the Bulldogs strive to cemet their spot in the top six and the Bombers desperately want break into the 8. Sundays start with a bottom 3 clash between the Tigers and Kangaroos with both teams wanting to avoid the being in wooden spoon contention. The Round concludes with the Eagles still searching for their first win of the season, while the Saints look to keep their finals hopes alive with a crucial away victory. Who are you tipping and what are the best results for the Demons?

      • Thanks
    • 87 replies
    Demonland
  • PREVIEW: Brisbane

    And just like that, we’re Narrm again. Even though the annual AFL Sir Doug Nicholls Round which commemorates the contributions of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander culture to our game has been a welcome addition to our calendar for ten years, more lately it has been a portent of tough times ahead for we beleaguered Narrm supporters. Ever since the club broke through for its historic 2021 premiership, this has become a troubling time of the year for the club. For example, it all began when Melbourne rebranded itself as Narrm across the two rounds of the Sir Doug Nicholls Round to become the first club to adopt an Indigenous club name especially for the occasion. It won its first outing under the brand against lowly North Melbourne to go to 10 wins and no losses but not without a struggle or a major injury to  star winger Ed Langdon who broke his ribs and missed several weeks. In the following week, still as Narrm, the team’s 17 game winning streak came to an end at the hands of the Dockers. That came along with more injuries, a plague that remained with them for the remainder of the season until, beset by injuries, the Dees were eliminated from the finals in straight sets. It was even worse last year, when Narrm inexplicably lowered its colours in Perth to the Waalit Marawar Eagles. Oh, the shame of it all! At least this year, if there is a corner to turn around, it has to be in the direction of something better. To that end, I produced a special pre-game chant in the local Narrm language - “nam mi:wi winnamun katjil prolin ambi ngamar thamelin amb” which roughly translated is “every heart beats true for the red and the blue.” >y belief is that if all of the Narrm faithful recite it long enough, then it might prove to be the only way to beat the Brisbane Lions at the Gabba on Sunday. The Lions are coming off a disappointing draw at Marvel Stadium against a North Melbourne team that lacks the ability and know how to win games (except when playing Melbourne). Brisbane are, however, a different kettle of fish at home and have very few positional weaknesses. They are a midfield powerhouse, strong in defence and have plenty of forward options, particularly their small and medium sized players, to kick a winning score this week after the sting of last week’s below par performance.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 11 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Hawthorn

    There was a time during the current Melbourne cycle that goes back to before the premiership when the club was the toughest to beat in the fourth quarter. The Demons were not only hard to beat at any time but it was virtually impossible to get the better them when scores were close at three quarter time. It was only three or four years ago but they were fit, strong and resilient in body and mind. Sadly, those days are over. This has been the case since the club fell off its pedestal about 12 months ago after it beat Geelong and then lost to Carlton. In both instances, Melbourne put together strong, stirring final quarters, one that resulted in victory, the other, in defeat. Since then, the drop off has been dramatic to the point where it can neither pull off victory in close matches, nor can it even go down in defeat  gallantly.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 1 reply
    Demonland
  • CASEY: Footscray

    At twenty-four minutes into the third term of the game between the Casey Demons and Footscray VFL at Whitten Oval, the visitors were coasting. They were winning all over the ground, had the ascendancy in the ruck battles and held a 26 point lead on a day perfect for football. What could go wrong? Everything. The Bulldogs moved into overdrive in the last five minutes of the term and booted three straight goals to reduce the margin to a highly retrievable eight points at the last break. Bouyed by that effort, their confidence was on a high level during the interval and they ran all over the despondent Demons and kicked another five goals to lead by a comfortable margin of four goals deep into the final term before Paddy Cross kicked a couple of too late goals for a despondent Casey. A testament to their lack of pressure in the latter stages of the game was the fact that Footscray’s last ten scoring shots were nine goals and one rushed behind. Things might have been different for the Demons who went into the game after last week’s bye with 12 AFL listed players. Blake Howes was held over for the AFL game but two others, Jack Billings and Taj Woewodin (not officially listed as injured) were also missing and they could have been handy at the end. Another mystery of the current VFL system.

      • Thanks
    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: Brisbane

    The Demons head back out on the road in Round 10 when they travel to Queensland to take on the reigning Premiers and the top of the table Lions who look very formidable. Can the Dees cause a massive upset? Who comes in and who goes out?

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 277 replies
    Demonland
  • PODCAST: Hawthorn

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 12th May @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we dissect the Demons loss to the Hawks. Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human.

      • Clap
      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 53 replies
    Demonland