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Farewell Luke Jackson

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If he is staying, but contract not finalised, he could easily say that.

I find it unlikely that he doesn’t know what he wants to do by now.

The usual result when you are hearing nothing at all by now, is that they have decided to leave, but don’t want to say, to avoid the fuss that will be caused, during the rest of the season.

If he has decided to stay, I think he would have said it by now to stop the speculation.

If you follow that logic, he is probably gone.

BUT, then again.

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      On 09/07/2022 at 00:00, Sydee said:

    Tend to agree and please correct me if I’m wrong but to date Luke has not said a single word that would suggest he is staying or going.

    You can bet his manger has!

    And Freo sound a bit loose-lipped.

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      On 09/07/2022 at 00:06, Redleg said:

    If he is staying, but contract not finalised, he could easily say that.

    I find it unlikely that he doesn’t know what he wants to do by now.

    The usual result when you are hearing nothing at all by now, is that they have decided to leave, but don’t want to say, to avoid the fuss that will be caused, during the rest of the season.

    If he has decided to stay, I think he would have said it by now to stop the speculation.

    If you follow that logic, he is probably gone.

    BUT, then again.

    Sound logic.  Hope it isn't so.

    On that logic Gus is also gone.  😭

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      On 07/07/2022 at 21:16, bobby1554 said:

    Serong, Young and Henry all drafted after Jackson in the top 10 of 2019. 2 of those should be the asking price. And tell him he can go back to WA now for all I care

    Serong and Young.... Yes thanks. I'll even give him my two front teeth. 

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      On 09/07/2022 at 00:14, Lucifers Hero said:

    Sound logic.  Hope it isn't so.

    On that logic Gus is also gone.  😭

    Slight difference.

    I think Gus has indicated, though rather obliquely, that he is staying and no mention of homesickness.

    Also there was a hint that he might announce on his Podcast soon.

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      On 09/07/2022 at 00:14, Lucifers Hero said:

    Sound logic.  Hope it isn't so.

    On that logic Gus is also gone.  😭

    Lucy, if he wants Freo, they don't have the picks and no point naming blokes that just aren't in the picture.

    What do you think of my suggestion of Cox and Treacy, as the start of any deal. Cox is a 23 year old, 195cm  SA key position defender/forward and Treacy a 19 year old 195cm Victorian key forward who is listed as tough, strong and with great hands. They have a local in Amiss coming through who with the current key forwards are enough for them.

    Then steak knives of picks, or a ruckman, or maybe even getting Lobb, who would fill needs for us immediately.

    Getting Cox and with Turner, it allows Petty to maybe move forward or other options and Cox would be there when May retires.

    What are your thoughts on that sort of deal, if Jacko nominates Freo?

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      On 08/07/2022 at 10:04, Sir Why You Little said:

    Thanks DD. If my info turns out to be incorrect i will never live it down, because old Army Boy will never let me forget it. Oh woah is me. 
    You just call BS on everything, so by sheer coincidence that means sometimes you are correct. 
    As of early Last week the Club was Confident they could keep Jackson, but nothing had been signed. 

    The club is confident but I am told the hold-up is the new EB and how much extra cap space we have. As stated elsewhere, Luke has told teammates he wants to stay but that can change quickly. All will be revealed eventually so let's just get on with trying to win and get a prime finals spot

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    waiting for the ton

    waiting .... waiting

    and hoping for at least one single piece of real information

    waiting and hoping 

     

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      On 09/07/2022 at 00:44, daisycutter said:

    waiting for the ton

    waiting .... waiting

    and hoping for at least one single piece of real information

    waiting and hoping 

     

    Maybe Dusty Springfields' "Wishin and Hopin" is more apt.

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      On 09/07/2022 at 00:41, Redleg said:

    Lucy, if he wants Freo, they don't have the picks and no point naming blokes that just aren't in the picture.

    What do you think of my suggestion of Cox and Treacy, as the start of any deal. Cox is a 23 year old, 195cm  SA key position defender/forward and Treacy a 19 year old 195cm Victorian key forward who is listed as tough, strong and with great hands. They have a local in Amiss coming through who with the current key forwards are enough for them.

    Then steak knives of picks, or a ruckman, or maybe even getting Lobb, who would fill needs for us immediately.

    Getting Cox and with Turner, it allows Petty to maybe move forward or other options and Cox would be there when May retires.

    What are your thoughts on that sort of deal, if Jacko nominates Freo?

    I'm not familiar with the Freo players but would be very happy to get a forward and a ruckman who is ready to play AFL  So Cox or Treacy would fit the fwd bill, not sure if tall enough for the ruckman or as a possible Max replacement. 

    As a second ruck/fwd we have Weideman and TMc in the short therm.  Most clubs have at least 3 true ruckman so we would need to get at least one from the upcoming trade/draft. 

    Bulldogs have now stated their interest in Lobb.  Logue has also been linked to the Bulldogs.  If both go to the Bulldogs, I can see their first round pick currently #9 in play. 

    I wouldn't mind a top 10 pick as part of a deal as we don't have one atm.

    I think if Freo (or WCE) want Jackson they will find a way to do a fair deal (despite misgivings about Peter Bell's 'tactics').

    Haven't given up on Jackson. 

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      On 09/07/2022 at 00:54, Lucifers Hero said:

    I'm not familiar with all those players but would be very happy to get a forward and a ruckman who is ready to play AFL  So Cox or Treacy would fit the fwd bill, not sure if tall enough for the ruckman or as a possible Max replacement. 

     

    Haven't given up on Jackson. 

    Cox is Freo CHB and I actually haven't given up on Jacko either.

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      On 08/07/2022 at 22:00, rpfc said:

    Those two sentences are antithetical.

    I mean mentally on board. If Jackson does not have his heart in it, why play him?

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      On 09/07/2022 at 00:43, Older demon said:

    The club is confident but I am told the hold-up is the new EB and how much extra cap space we have. As stated elsewhere, Luke has told teammates he wants to stay but that can change quickly. All will be revealed eventually so let's just get on with trying to win and get a prime finals spot

    The EBA argument is nonsense given the number of players who have re-signed. 

    And of course all will be revealed eventually.

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      On 08/07/2022 at 22:43, SPC said:

    If I was the club I’d ask for a decision quick, so we can move on and sign players. No footballer is irreplaceable- we just need to ensure we fill needs with the picks and players coming back our way. 
    I do like the idea of a Cam Pederson type backup- any VFL types who we can bring across? 
    And yes, if he leaves I will boo him for being soft. Something “special” about Perth, but I ain’t seen it!!! 

    Why not get an "AFL" type ( ruckman) who us better than a VFL? 

    We are in the Avenue of attraction for a Flag so don't hold back let's get the best available. 
    Same as a KP forward, free agent if available then if not a recognised forward player from another AFL Club. 

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      On 08/07/2022 at 09:46, dazzledavey36 said:

    He also said Luke Dunstan had met with dees well before it came out in the media last year and was a certainty to sign. 

    He's had more right then wrong and has great links through his friend through player management. 

     

    Thanks Dazz.  I can’t remember the Oliver post that he refers to. You seem to be far more competent with the Forum than me, so would you be able to find my Post on Oliver all those years ago so we can check the wording because I have always tried to be careful about never overstating my impeccable intel. Cheers. 

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      On 08/07/2022 at 10:35, At the break of Gawn said:

    Listening to Jordan Lewis on this last night and I have doubts Jacko will ever fulfill his potential. He’s a very laidback sort of person and not someone who’s a competitive beast like Max or Oliver. 

    Similar to how we turned the Hogan trade into securing the missing piece of our premiership backline, we need to use this Jackson trade as an angle to secure an elite key contested marking forward.

     

    Agree with your Hogan comparisons regarding replacement players but now no Jesse is really hurting us ( when you think about it) as our forward line is our weakest link. ( not all the time however). 

    Completely disagree with you about Jacko not being a competitive beast. You either haven't watched elite sports persons and/ or athletes or you completely misjudge the off field character of LJ and his on field determination. In fact if I were LJ I would be utterly devastated about your opinion.

    Name when he has not tried his best and to say he won't fulfill his potential because he can relax differently to other players is nonsense. We don't have to walk around for our whole career with a clenched fist  and never smile to prove we are determined and using all our ability to be a winner on the field. 

    Perhaps  you were never around when Jim Stynes or Robbie  Flower won our B and F or Hall of Fame recognition. 

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      On 09/07/2022 at 00:41, Redleg said:

    Lucy, if he wants Freo, they don't have the picks and no point naming blokes that just aren't in the picture.

    What do you think of my suggestion of Cox and Treacy, as the start of any deal. Cox is a 23 year old, 195cm  SA key position defender/forward and Treacy a 19 year old 195cm Victorian key forward who is listed as tough, strong and with great hands. They have a local in Amiss coming through who with the current key forwards are enough for them.

    Then steak knives of picks, or a ruckman, or maybe even getting Lobb, who would fill needs for us immediately.

    Getting Cox and with Turner, it allows Petty to maybe move forward or other options and Cox would be there when May retires.

    What are your thoughts on that sort of deal, if Jacko nominates Freo?

    This was the case with Cerra last year. Freo can eat [censored] if they can’t deal. We are not giving away a pick 3 (who is once in a generation supposedly) for two end of first round picks. It’s one of Serong or Brayshaw  + 2021 first rounder for Jackson. 

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    I've nothing to add.  Just trying to get this thread to 100 pages.

    edit:  Bugger.

     

    Edited by Demonstone

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      On 09/07/2022 at 03:14, Demonstone said:

    I've nothing to add.  Just trying to get this thread to 100 pages.

    edit:  Bugger.

     

    Never fear Demonstone!

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    We can do this, it's 1:28pm on Sat arvo and Jackson is an MFC player. Nothing else to say at this point. 

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    Let's assume Jackson is gone . We will need another ruckman who is capable of kicking goals or another T.Mac. (younger version ). We need another champion midfielder. This will allow Petracca to play forward . Also Turner could replace Petty in defence. This would allow Petty to play forward . We may not have a regular spot for B.Brown . B.Howes could become the new T.Mac providing the club can make use of him ( in other words train him for the T.Mac role ) . We could probably get T.Walker for very little. Would be good for a couple of years. All seems too easy doesn't it?

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