Grand Final Venue Watch

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,827]

41 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm thinking we will have an advantage over other teams at Optus. 

• It has similar dimensions as the MCG. 
• We played a final there 3 years ago so have experienced the cauldron like atmosphere.  iirc Jordan Lewis said he had never heard anything like it, not even at MCG GF's.
• We have played about 6 games there in recent years. 
• We have won at least 3 times of those.

No other finalist has anything like that to boost confidence and belief.

So while we can't be there live I'm quite happy to have the remaining finals (after this week) at Optus.  

I think it's just the two wins:

Rd 22 2018 -  Win

Prelim 2018 - Loss

Rd 9 2019 - Loss

Rd 1 2020 - Loss

Rd 21 - Win

Weirdly enough have never played Freo at Optus, and have never played WC away from Optus. 

On a side note, Port will have a large contingent going over for the GF as South Aussies are free to travel to WA now.

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

15 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

They may not.  Mc Govern has made it clear player/staff families won't be allowed in and any VIP's must do the 14 day quarantine assuming they can get an entry permit.  

Can you show me a quote verbatim where McGowan said players families won’t be able to apply for the entry permit and quarantine with the playing group 

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11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I think it's just the two wins:

Rd 22 2018 -  Win

Prelim 2018 - Loss

Rd 9 2019 - Loss

Rd 1 2020 - Loss

Rd 21 - Win

Weirdly enough have never played Freo at Optus, and have never played WC away from Optus. 

On a side note, Port will have a large contingent going over for the GF as South Aussies are free to travel to WA now.

Other win was 2017

[old55 23,573]

38 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Myth. Not to over 60's.  

Quite correctly too.

[roy11 3,853]

13 hours ago, DubDee said:

Whately reckons itll be a twilight game in Perth, meaning a night time slot in Melb.

not sure I can make it through the day if we make it

'Ken Oath - Last year it felt weird waiting for the final, think my insides would explode waiting for the dees to play if they made it.

 

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18 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Yeah I would change my mind if Oliver or Gawn got concussed, that's for sure!!

But as it stands, it would be nice to keep rolling and not have to wait 15 days between a potential prelim and GF, whilst many of us quite frankly have nothing to do with our lives.

On your second paragraph, you need very special permission to attend WA if you're coming from a medium risk state such as VIC in order to even do 14 days quarantine.  Suspect there will be some disappointed non footballing staff and VIP's that miss out if McGowan is consistent with his hard border and health stance. 

 

I agree with you about not having a bye between the PF and GF. Such a break would mean that teams that win the QF and then PF have a two weak break each side of the PF. I'm not sure that's a desirable lead-in to the GF.

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16 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

I don't see why we can't hold it and just make it for double jabbas only.  Don't open any catering/bars and anyone in the toilets / entry points masked.  1/3rd capacity with distancing.  35,000 and open it up to members only.   NO CORPORATES!  I know it's not this simple and we have to make it of course but no Harmes in dreaming a little surely

This plan would need to include a covid safe travel corridor to & from The Tippler on Wellington Parade. 

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43 minutes ago, loges said:

Other win was 2017

2017 was at Subiaco. The game where T Mac kicked the winner with 10 secs left.

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2 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

2017 was at Subiaco. The game where T Mac kicked the winner with 10 secs left.

Yes, correct my bad

[Demonland 72,192]

1 hour ago, dees189227 said:

I'm fully vaccinated. Do you reckon Mark would let me into Perth? I couldn't care if I was tested everyday or had to lockdown and could only go to the game. 

More chance of NSW getting pandemic response of the year award.

[ManDee 7,148]

1 hour ago, Pollyanna said:

Quite correctly too.

Really, I hadn't pegged you as ageist. Misinformation is everywhere and I think it is important to point it out. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,805]

1 hour ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Can you show me a quote verbatim where McGowan said players families won’t be able to apply for the entry permit and quarantine with the playing group 

I didn't say they won't be able to apply for an entry premit.  I said they won't be allowed in.  See below.

western-australias-cruel-requirement-for-hosting-the-2021-afl-grand-final

That is the paper's heading, not mine.

From the article:

Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan says the AFL Grand Final could only be taken to Perth under “very strict guidelines”,

As part of those guidelines, McGowan suggested that only essential personnel would be permitted entry into the state for the game and said families of players and coaches would not make the cut.

“Our intention is that those sorts of groups wouldn’t be permitted to join players coming in. It’d be a very strict and tight regime,” he said.which would include barring families of players and coaches from entering the state".

The last para is stated as a direct quote in the article. 

I haven't seen anything to say he has changed his mind.

Edited August 26, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

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2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I think it's just the two wins:

Rd 22 2018 -  Win

Prelim 2018 - Loss

Rd 9 2019 - Loss

Rd 1 2020 - Loss

Rd 21 - Win

Weirdly enough have never played Freo at Optus, and have never played WC away from Optus. 

On a side note, Port will have a large contingent going over for the GF as South Aussies are free to travel to WA now.

 

I was counting this magical win in 2017:

 

 

Edit:  Just saw the subsequent discussion re this being at Subiaco so you are right it is two wins at Optus.

Probably still better than other finals contenders.

Edited August 26, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[Demonland 72,192]

On Optus Stadium; we won't have to contend with the biggest hurdle of having to play at Optus which is the noise of affirmation.

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3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I'm thinking we will have an advantage over other teams at Optus. 

• It has similar dimensions as the MCG. 
• We played a final there 3 years ago so have experienced the cauldron like atmosphere.  iirc Jordan Lewis said he had never heard anything like it, not even at MCG GF's.
• We have played about 6 games there in recent years. 
• We have won at least 3 times of those.

No other finalist has anything like that to boost confidence and belief.

So while we can't be there live I'm quite happy to have the remaining finals (after this week) at Optus.  

But remember that the crowd will not be totally partisan -- I wonder who the WCE fans will boo?  Maybe everyone?

[old55 23,573]

1 hour ago, ManDee said:

Really, I hadn't pegged you as ageist. Misinformation is everywhere and I think it is important to point it out. 

You've made your choice and that's fine but I would have been royally peed off if you were in the queue yesterday ahead of my 24yo daughter who has waited all this time for the recommended vaccination.

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3 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Optus, and have never played WC away from Optus. 

That and playing at Kardinia gets tiresome every year. Although a big Shout out to Max.😁

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

I was counting this magical win in 2017:

 

 

Edit:  Just saw the subsequent discussion re this being at Subiaco so you are right it is two wins at Optus.

Probably still better than other finals contenders.

I reckon that was one of our best wins until last weekend.

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I didn't say they won't be able to apply for an entry premit.  I said they won't be allowed in.  See below.

western-australias-cruel-requirement-for-hosting-the-2021-afl-grand-final

That is the paper's heading, not mine.

From the article:

Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan says the AFL Grand Final could only be taken to Perth under “very strict guidelines”,

As part of those guidelines, McGowan suggested that only essential personnel would be permitted entry into the state for the game and said families of players and coaches would not make the cut.

“Our intention is that those sorts of groups wouldn’t be permitted to join players coming in. It’d be a very strict and tight regime,” he said.which would include barring families of players and coaches from entering the state".

The last para is stated as a direct quote in the article. 

I haven't seen anything to say he has changed his mind.

Based on that information, the only people that should be permitted to go to Perth (and for the GF) are staff members directly involved on game day.

No families, No directors, no office or merchandising staff, influential sponsors or past greats. Our CEO probably would get an exemption and that's about it.

[Pennant St Dee 13,173]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I didn't say they won't be able to apply for an entry premit.  I said they won't be allowed in.  See below.

western-australias-cruel-requirement-for-hosting-the-2021-afl-grand-final

That is the paper's heading, not mine.

From the article:

Western Australian Premier Mark McGowan says the AFL Grand Final could only be taken to Perth under “very strict guidelines”,

As part of those guidelines, McGowan suggested that only essential personnel would be permitted entry into the state for the game and said families of players and coaches would not make the cut.

“Our intention is that those sorts of groups wouldn’t be permitted to join players coming in. It’d be a very strict and tight regime,” he said.which would include barring families of players and coaches from entering the state".

The last para is stated as a direct quote in the article. 

I haven't seen anything to say he has changed his mind.

Cheers for that, just hearing a lot of misquoted stuff across many forms of social media etc. And on here that WA will shut down on 1 case alone.

This is absolutely false as having some knowledge of the previous lockdowns in WA through work and succession planning before lockdowns were announced.

The one case has to have been out and about in the community whilst infectious or been in contact with others whilst infectious who have then gone out into the community

The teams straight away start contact tracing locations attended of the infected person and their close contacts.  After those initial inquiries an assessment is made and decisions are made on imposing restrictions and or lockdowns. We have had cases out in the community previously which did not result in lockdowns, but that really isn’t newsworthy.

My understanding is each qualifying team for the GF if in Perth will get around 12-15k allocated tickets for their members. The other 30-34k tickets will go to other corporates, sponsors and other AFL clubs to sell as packages as per every other GF.

Still a lot of water to go under the bridge yet and I have no issue with and would probably prefer Melbourne getting over it’s current COVID situation and a large majority of Dees supporters getting to witness it.

However as a 40+ year supporter and 25+ year member of the opportunity arises where I get to attend a GF in Perth I’ll be grabbing it

 

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1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

I reckon that was one of our best wins until last weekend.

V WCE at Subiaco in 1998, best Melbourne game I have been at, on the old hill there.  Bit similar to 2018 had to win to keep the season alive.

You will be surprised how many Dees supporters there are in the west, WCE V Melb had a good rivalry in the 90s you, the Jackovich Brothers, Chris Lewis and the biting incident and both sides where in good nick in the early 90s, you either followed WCE or hated them in the west, I was in the hate side as it destroyed the WAFL in WA and was looking for a club.

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If someone told me two years ago that we would win a flag in 2021 but the Gf would be in Perth and I couldn't get to it  I think my mfcss would get the better of me.

Now I couldn't care less. Just so happy to be in contention.

[Lucifers Hero 39,805]

3 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Cheers for that, just hearing a lot of misquoted stuff across many forms of social media etc. And on here that WA will shut down on 1 case alone.

This is absolutely false as having some knowledge of the previous lockdowns in WA through work and succession planning before lockdowns were announced.

The one case has to have been out and about in the community whilst infectious or been in contact with others whilst infectious who have then gone out into the community

The teams straight away start contact tracing locations attended of the infected person and their close contacts.  After those initial inquiries an assessment is made and decisions are made on imposing restrictions and or lockdowns. We have had cases out in the community previously which did not result in lockdowns, but that really isn’t newsworthy.

My understanding is each qualifying team for the GF if in Perth will get around 12-15k allocated tickets for their members. The other 30-34k tickets will go to other corporates, sponsors and other AFL clubs to sell as packages as per every other GF.

Still a lot of water to go under the bridge yet and I have no issue with and would probably prefer Melbourne getting over it’s current COVID situation and a large majority of Dees supporters getting to witness it.

However as a 40+ year supporter and 25+ year member of the opportunity arises where I get to attend a GF in Perth I’ll be grabbing it

Good insight into how things work in WA.  Thanks.

What makes me sad about 'no families' is that players will have no-one special (other than club folk) to share the finals experiences with especially for which ever team wins the GF.

I wrote earlier today in this thread that MCG aside, I'm happy to have our finals at Optus as I think we have an advantage over other finalists at that ground.

I've painfully come to terms with not seeing our team play finals but if we win the flag I will be at the G crying and screaming when we unfurl the flag.

I've had a GFG membership for over 20 years and it really hurts that I can't use it because covid restrictions prevent travelling.  I would be equally happy to use it in Perth as I would in Melbourne.  I had an elaborate plan to get to Perth and quarantine until the latest round of lockdowns here.  Not to be.

Enjoy all the games 'Pennant'.  Scream and shout for the rest of us.

Edited August 26, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

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4 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

 

I was counting this magical win in 2017:

 

 

Edit:  Just saw the subsequent discussion re this being at Subiaco so you are right it is two wins at Optus.

Probably still better than other finals contenders.

Thank you so much Luci! I remember that match like it happened yesterday. I cried loud and I cried ugly. Not unlike last Saturday. Difference is, I didn’t know DL existed at the time so I cried loud, ugly, and alone. Happy tears of course. ❤️💙

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I must admit I was in the no rush category to get vaccinated.

But now I have have had my first jab and scheduled for 2nd in a fortnight.

I'm much more concerned about missing a MFC grand final than catching covid.